Max dogfighter

[novoAlias]

Hey all
Just got this to a point were i think it deserves a thread, its going to be slow i warn u coz of school and all :( . but c&c is always most welcome:D
First pic

[novoAlias]

nuver pic: fun view from pilot

[novoAlias]

prop and stuff, tons to do here so c&c tons :p:D

[novoAlias]

and the only mesh problem so far: its the sharp edges u c nest to the seams, i want to just have that smooth lyk the rest but it only somes out too sharp:grr: .. plus the sword thread will be a bit slow aswell until the end of term (or exams neway :o:D) C7C and ideas and stuff welcome

Cyaz!

[novoAlias]

ok one more random view to show the wing shapes :D and now for class...

[novoAlias]

small update

[novoAlias]

having some annopying problems with the mesh: this is a render without meshsmooth

[novoAlias]

this is a render with smooth (i know about the oval things but im annoyed about the wierd mesh folds

[novoAlias]

and no time to post the mesh ill post this afternoon :(

[Rinne]

Well, i think you did a good job so far, the mesh is good :)

The thing in the last post:

Did you use booleans for the holes? They mess the mesh up, you need to redo the polygons then, they all have to be quadrials ;)

Otherwise try to chanfer the edges, but you need to chamfer ALL edges around the hole (also those, who go diagonal through the "neighbour" polygons)

Otherwise they will mess the mesh more up, than it is at the moment!

Kepp up the great work :)

[T0XIC]

realistically speaking, the prop should probably be twin bladed, and usually would not be slanted in the direction of the spin near the edges like you have- but if you're just going for style, it doesnt really matter :p

[ClayCreator]

Nice looking fighter u got there. I remember it from the "post your aircraft" post. :) Sorry to hear about your mesh-problems...personally I hate meshediting,I try to get around doing much of that when I´m making my models, I usually just combine alot of simple objects together and slap some dark texures on the finished model to hide the seams.lol
Seriously though, I like your design and I think you should make the propellers anyway u wish. But just so u know, 3 bladed propellers worked best on high performance ww2 fighters.

Btw, how do u know how to do a bolean operation(making holes in objects using other objects) in 3ds max 4? I´m freaking out cause I dunno how to make holes.......I need to make holes!:D:D

Anyway, keep up the good work.

[novoAlias]

well.. i didnt use booleans, i used the cut tool, an earlier try had it extruded into the engine thing but the problem was the same:( .

ClayCreator I chose 5 blades coz thats wat i think the spitfires mk2 had and i think they wuld look kewl :halo: . maybe i will change them later

Toxic the spin and the blade andgle was a mistake but im not sure if ill keep it or not:roll:

Rinne , im not quite sure wat u meant in that post culd u explain sum more plz :o .

[novoAlias]

small update. ignore those ugly holes for now im working on it:hmm:

[novoAlias]

btw, these are the concepts im working from

[Rinne]

You know how to chamfer edges?

[novoAlias]

yes :halo: hmm i think i see wat u mean ill work on it :roll:

[novoAlias]

well its the weekend and i finally figured a way to fix the mesh so it looks nice :p, if neone has ne ideas for what shape the vents shuld be just trace over the picture and i wuld be greatfull :D

[Rinne]

Yeah, it really looks great, great work :)

[Daniel]

good work, I like it a lot.

PS. Mind if I ask where you got the conceps? If they would possibly have more, that's a really funky aircraft, looks like it would be fun to model.

[novoAlias]

ah, well i guess i can share this with people... :p, i found the http://www.designstudiopress.com/ website while looking at the review for a concept design book at cgnetworks, theres a link off that site to Scott Robertson's (http://www.drawthrough.com/sketches/index.html) site whcih has the concepts im working from and a whole load more :D happy modelling mi computer crashed today so i spent most of the time trying to get it to work instead of modelling :(.. hopefully it will work now :D

[novoAlias]

last render for today, cant see all the details added tho :p. what details should i add? what kind of hinges, rivets etc. comments and ideas appreciated..

[novoAlias]

some armaments for your viewing pleasure :D, im still wondering what to do with that machine gun next to the cockpit tho... fun fun.... i love this style now! and now for some homework :(.

[novoAlias]

keep forgetting the picture...

[novoAlias]

been tring to make some instrument panels tho they rnt as smooth as i would lyk, time to use smoothing groups i think... should i make the instruments separate?

c&c welcome...

[Daniel]

Your model is looking great man :D Lookforward to see more.

PS. Woah, thanks for the link man, me will be modeling one of those soon! They are awesome.

[ClayCreator]

Wow, it´s really looking nice and smooth now, good job. :)
It almost looks like an american Hellcat, are you putting guns with a timed firing mechanism on top of the engine too? THat´d be cool! And 3 or 4 or each wing! :D

[novoAlias]

claycreator, you mean lyk this? yea... timed.. yea ahem :p yea i will when i get some good ref picks fo one :D

[novoAlias]

or lyk this :p

[ClayCreator]

Lmao!!! Ummm no that´s too much :D hehe
And about those timed firing mechanism guns, the mechanism was used to fire the bullets in between the blades so they wouldnt shred them to pieces,lol.:p They dont look any different from the ones u made on the wings I think, they are inside the body so u can only see the barrels.
Btw, three on each wing looks good indeed! And so does the shape of the vents on the engine, nothing to change there.

Good job

[novoAlias]

heh, thanks! Exams next thursday so this has to take second place :halo: damn ncea

[novoAlias]

yea well... see mi SoD thread for an explanation as to no updates :p
btw which of these looks better?

[JQuacker]

The closest one.

GJ on this, looks great! Find some real pics of the plane for reference on rivets, etc. Can't wait to see it textured.

[chaos_seed]

how on earth did you make those holes ! ! !It cant be booleans It keeps geting smoothing bug when i use it that way ! !

I agree with JQuacker the closest one looks best but it depends on what you're looking for cause the middel one looks more like a used on and could be great withe a good texture !

[Daniel]

been a while man, good stuff. Although the holes don't seem quite hard ennough. Dunno if it works like that in Max, but in Maya, when were about to do booleans, so it's really crisp, we will do a smooth, then the boolean. If you do the boolean then the smooth, it looks like what you have there, not as perfect.

[novoAlias]

hmm i might use chamfer and find something between the two..Thx for the feedback :D.
Daniel B, i think in Max booleans are pretty much something to stay away from ;p, altho it might kinda work if i smoothed and then booleaned but then u culdnt work with the unsmothed version, nope i think ill stick with mi method, heres a mesh:halo:

[chaos_seed]

thanks black wolf I use this method too alyhog it can get quite difficult wile working on more complex wire...
keep on going on update !

[novoAlias]

cheers :D
well, while your waiting for updates, heres some eye candy, ive been working on it for something else, i might make a thread for it soon:halo:

//see if you can guess wat it is ;P

[ClayCreator]

Wow man, you really put some work into making those holes in the cannons,cool:eek: .Btw isn´t that a welding torch attached to two argon-gas canisters on a trolley?:D

[novoAlias]

nice guess, ive been told ive done enough with it now so ill be back to modelling shortly :D
btw, the canons took lyk 5 minutes, make 2 sections of tube, cut holes in one, creat polys were needed and array both to desired length, cap the end and voila! done... honestly lyk 5 minutes..
damn just gave away a secret technique! j/k :p

[Teryktian]

yeah a secret technique...nice fighter, and huge engine.....i like your drawings better, where the fuselage is more beefier ( like the wwwII bombers), but hey it is just my taste, great work....oh, planes are nicely mapped with some hot babes on the sides as decals..hehe

[novoAlias]

yup thats mi secret teachnique alright... :D i decided to change it slightly from the drawings so it might actually have a chance of flying and look more credable... hopefully i can make it cooler later with modelling and textures and stuff...

hmm i didnt really want to start a whole new thread for this but heres the pretty much finished gas welding thingy without textures (thanks to ef_studios for the edgemap tipoff :p)

[tobes]

i like! how'd u get the bg so it looks like it's on a huge sheet? cos if i have 1 plane ya see black where it ends.. do u just have a 2nd plane vertically?

[legato]

Originally posted by tobes
i like! how'd u get the bg so it looks like it's on a huge sheet? cos if i have 1 plane ya see black where it ends.. do u just have a 2nd plane vertically?

change the environment color to the same color of your plane (press 8 if u use max to open the environment window) .. and i think BlacWolf uses brazil to render so he must have turned on the ground plane in the Brazil CSG...

btw BlackWolf sweet model...cant wait to see it textured

[X_Dror]

oh man i wish i could model like this! i really like the model now, this is fantastic! i think the plane is to long ant thin from the original drawing u showed us.
and bolean is a evil thing!
cant wait for a upgrade!
btw: in the cannon stuff, i think the one in the middle is the best!

[novoAlias]

cheers all :D... i used a plane and changed the angle so u coldnt see the environment but legatos method works just as well :p

also im not exactly following the drawings so some of the proportions will be different altho i might make it shorter/fatter since everyone think it looks better that way :p

just added some wheel wells and some basic wheels, its hard usig this method so i might delete and start again wen i get back to is.. done the rear wheel aswell...

[novoAlias]

just a question.. wats the best way to do rivets/ weld lines and stuff?

[Bullseyepimp]

I'm really diggin this model blackwolf! Very nice and clean work :)

And for the rivets... I would probably go for a bump map, but if you are going for extreme realism, model one rivet and duplicate it along where you want the weld line :D

[novoAlias]

thankyou.. looking at that render and the render i need to post means i can see some stuff that needs work (tho i wuld appreciate it if kind commenters would circle things i might have missed :p.. anyway here i just reorientated sum stuff and mirrored it so you can see more of what it would looklike on the runway :p... the landing gear stuff should be placeholders unless i cant be bothered replaceing them with something better... im going to work on the flaps now so updates soon...

[novoAlias]

damn forgot pic.. need an add pic feature in the edit post thing :p

[novoAlias]

added ailerons and started on a racing style seat from Sparco :D

[novoAlias]

does anyone see anything i have missed? apart from whats already there here is what i will add.. please add to this list if you see enthing missing
>flap hinges
>rivets/weldlines/textures
>pilot gun
>inner cockpit detail (joystick etc)
>landing gear detail
>lights

anything else?

[novoAlias]

im sorry for not updating this.. i havent finished with it its just holidays n other stuff, heres some indication of what ive been working on, low poly mind u :p some of the scales might be off whack but woteva

[jawahar]

looks very nice ,like the detail,:D :D :D

[novoAlias]

omg lol back from the dead

and whats scarier is i just looked back on this thread an hour ago to help a friend :p

hmm may have to finish this now

[Phatsniper]

Wow I remember this, I'd love to see it finished!

[Phynius Gauge]

Nice work. Hopefully you get a chance to finish it :) .

[novoAlias]

me2 :) i dont think finishing should be 2 hard :p

i think theres just a few more details to add before texturing (something i rarely get on to lol) and then hopefully a scene :) hmm an animation sounds like fun :p

maybe an excuse to learn ppl modelling? (pilot)

in the meantime point out things u think i shuld know :p

[novoAlias]

playing with dampers and dummies..

[novoAlias]

Does anyone have a good tutorial for texturing this creature?

[ClayCreator]

Hi BlackWolf, your plane is coming along nicely,looks great from above...
Here´s a texturing tutorial I think you could use : http://home.wanadoo.nl/r.j.o/skyraider/tut_texturemapping.htm

I couldnt figure it out but maybe you can,lol

Hope it helps! :)

[novoAlias]

hey thanks claycreator :D

[novoAlias]

Just made a decent cockpit cover... im having trouble deciding what kind of seats/ kind of interior to make.. i want to make sort of WWII style with some stuff from an F16 cockpit coz it looks cool an stuff.. for texturing im going to try something like the main plane from crimson skies but blue :)

oh yea if u use brazil try setting bucket size to 16 and order to random, its fun!

[novoAlias]

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[novoAlias]

just working on an interior now.. dont worry about the mesh probs i converted to edit poly and it got rid of all my meshsmooth settings =/ ideas welcome!

[novoAlias]

fixed em

[David Ciprian]

This is soo cool! Can't wait to see it finished

I should do one 2, I have good ideas for scenes but no time :(

[novoAlias]

hey david, thanks for the encouragement :)
Currently im just working on cockpit detail, heres were i am atm

[Phynius Gauge]

Looking cool. Keep up the good work :).

[novoAlias]

thanks Gauge!

decided to go the whole hog and make detailed instruments in rhino.. only problem is this is gna be a **** to texture :halo:.. heres the instruments so far, the compass, switchboard and altimeter are made in rhino

exams soon :o :(