Skyline

[neo_mosher_zion]

here is my current project, its a nissan skyline. or its going to be. when im done im going to style it up with some body kits and lights. but lets get the stock version first.

crits would be most helpful

[neo_mosher_zion]

update

[_tofu]

coming along nicely, but your mesh seems really messed up in places causing some wierd pinching.

[neo_mosher_zion]

could someone cricle all the pinches that they can see and post it back up so i can try to fix them?

i see some on the doors and ive tried to fix them but they clearly need more work.... damn miss placed verts!!!!

[_tofu]

just circled a few which i spotted at a quick glance. it's nothing major, just some tri's which will need tweaking by the looks of it.

[neo_mosher_zion]

in this pic you can see that some of thoughs actualy are what that car is supposed to look like. corner of the glass ill try and fix, and the partnear the wheel well ill get on pretty soon.

heres one of my many many ref pics

[R2Wrace2win]

nice, but some of the mesh looks a little bumpy, such as above the front wheel well, I know the fender does have a little pitch to it,
but in the refrence picture it looks smooth, your kinda jumps a little
but keep it going other wise its lookin nice

[VWporsche]

lookin good, but your rear fender flare is WAY too much. u almost seem to be modeling it w/ a wide body kit on it (im a HUGE skyline fan, so non stock things tend to pop out to me).. anyway, heres a shot right down the side, that shows how much the fender comes out, on a more or less stock r34 (hes got hood pins, and different mirrors... m3 style ones maybe?):

http://www.fantasycars.com/derek/cars/images/nissan/gtr_2.jpg

see, it comes out VERY little... just figured i would put in my $0.02. thanks for listening

[neo_mosher_zion]

heres a update on the front bumper

[neo_mosher_zion]

no coments on the front of the car?

[SNap]

It is ok but you missed a few edges/details. I don't know how much detail you want in this car.

[Nitro boy]

looks great, but it needs some work, and a little adjusting...

[neo_mosher_zion]

thanks SNap007be


i didnt see that, ill get on it...might be a while though hopefully i wont have to dig to find this thread. lolany other crits are still welcome

[neo_mosher_zion]

update

[neo_mosher_zion]

update
i made a addiction to the light fixture cause i hated the rounded garbadge. oh well we'll see how ya ppl think

note im edging along in this project seeing if it makes a difference in the normal me when i rush though the car in like 5-6 days... note most of my cars have been made in a week... most less then.

[neo_mosher_zion]

ok i completely deleted the door cause it was crap. heres the new one.

[neo_mosher_zion]

heres with new tires

[neo_mosher_zion]

well im gonna keep on updatin cause some one is bound to give a crit.

[MattyG]

wow at first I didnt think u were that good of a modeler and it wouldnt come out good but those tires then the update its amazing I love it

[travis_jinx]

getting there... keep at it!!

[Helix]

I havent seen a wire yet how bout a wire? Model is coming together, keep us posted.

[neo_mosher_zion]

wire coming right up

[neo_mosher_zion]

so heres a update please crit for a change

[neo_mosher_zion]

another view

[neo_mosher_zion]

i just put in nnew textures & lightin

[neo_mosher_zion]

and side

[sarN]

thank you that old clay style was sooooo ugly lol
the paint looks great :D and so does the model!
your skills have improved incredibly :p nice work

[slavke]

how do you make your car paint cause I have seen on all your cars so far it doesn't look as realistic as it can be. Or it might be something else than car paint I am not sure but it needs some adjusments somewhere. Your modeling is fine keep up the updates..

[neo_mosher_zion]

my car paint is a simple ajustment of the specturals and a raytrace at about 30-35. nothing big. i dont have a plug thats called "car paint" nor do i have brazil or some of the other rendering soft wear... unfortunatly. oh well, these textures may be mofifide as time goes on currently im fine turning the lights, finishing the front end up. i might re make the back end completely, and ill probably even redo the windows cause i dont like the way they turned out.

thanks though if you have seen my other cars i think these are my best head lights so far.

does anyone know how to make a better crome cause mine never look like real crome.

for instance in american chopper they have a bike called the spider bike, and it has a red crome on most of its wheel parts. that was my intention for my wheels anyone know how?

[Kujoe]

neo_mosher_zion
The car is comeing along great I like the paint job..Keep it up..;)

[arthoz]

looks like a small model of a skyline, very pretty indeed, only thing my eyes didnt quite like was the texture on the rims, otherwise good work, keep it up ^^

[slavke]

oh yeah I don't render with default 3d max render I use brazil. But I can tell you that this last render of skyline has much better look of paint than your previous cars. You are improving which is important. For chrome it is really simple use standard material and in maps rollout under reflection choose raytraced and put value of 90.

[neo_mosher_zion]

im glad you guys like it, although that is the settings or around 90 i think it might be 80-90 but anyway it doesnt look quite right. do you mess around with spec.? cause that would give a different look. ill get working on the car again in a few day i have a project i should be doing lol

as for size im using blue prints so if you could be spicific about the size problem that would be a great help. anyone else think theres a size problem?

[slavke]

I don't know for the size everything look fine to me. For rimps material maybe you can try brushed aluminum here (http://www.danielbuck.net/chrome_tut/chrome_tut.htm) is the link for a good tutorial how to make chrome and brushed looking aluminum. Hope it helps..

[Mystikos]

looks great, but I think that bit above the rear wheel shouldn't be so sharp.

[Dedalo]

Exelent this is one of my favorites Cars.

[Kujoe]

Originally posted by neo_mosher_zion
im glad you guys like it, although that is the settings or around 90 i think it might be 80-90 but anyway it doesnt look quite right. do you mess around with spec.? cause that would give a different look. ill get working on the car again in a few day i have a project i should be doing lol

as for size im using blue prints so if you could be spicific about the size problem that would be a great help. anyone else think theres a size problem? neo_mosher_zion I posted a light setting.Its Edds.Its in post your car thread;)

[neo_mosher_zion]

sorry you guys stil no update... :cry:

school is kicking my @$$ right now and i dont have much time to finish this car... id like to make a small movie of it with mycartoon character in it. but i need to submit my portfoilio soon. so i dont know what im gonna do.

[neo_mosher_zion]

here we go finaly a update although not much has been dont... yay no more crap foglights :D

[neo_mosher_zion]

and a far shot

[neo_mosher_zion]

no cirts?... well time to mod the hood

custom parts gotta lov'em

[neo_mosher_zion]

im a fast worker

[neo_mosher_zion]

and the other view

[travis_jinx]

model looks good but something about the texturing or lighting is really letting this down. looks washed out or something...

[slavke]

yeah thats exactly what I ment in one of the previous posts. Something does not match...

[neo_mosher_zion]

ok i took a look though my other thread and is this what you ment Kujoe \/

also i dont know what to do to fix the exture prblem... unless your specific on whats wrong.

[travis_jinx]

It looks like you have the reflection set too high and it is reflecting the white background and this is washing out all your colours.

[A*HOSNY]

Great work:)

[neo_mosher_zion]

i attempted to fix the texture prob lets see what ya think

[Kujoe]

the dimond shaped shadows under the wheel .Maybe tone the lights down. maybe:) Hide one light then render ,then another light then render.until you find the one thats makes that dimond.

[travis_jinx]

Try a render with anything but a white background maybe black or a darker grey and see what this does to your textures. Maybe add 1x light and a skylight and see what effects you get ?

Just some suggestions...

[slavke]

ok try this might give you a better look. And post how do you do your car paint cause it might be something wrong there too. First turn off any light you have but skylight. Or put a skylight and a omni light anywhere else with multiplier set to 0.5 and uncheck defuse in the roll out so it is only specular. Then place a tiny box above the car. Material for it is just simply standard white self illuminated color. Then with box selected go right click and uncheck shadows. For your car material what ever that might be u have to lower the reflection amount to 50-70 because the reflection of the box above will be to atractive. Just give us a brief setting for the car paint material that you are using.

[VWporsche]

lower it.. and give it the ohh-so-important stock spoiler. other than that... looks good

[neo_mosher_zion]

thanks you guys thats the sorta crits that i love... ill try them from top to bottom, get this thing lookin great.

as for spoiler i normaly like to make custom spoilers... ya know creativity spills into my work like blood from a wound

[Airtwist1]

nice hood, i like the rims!

which style are you going to? maybe 2 fast 2...... style ?

keep the good work going


Airtwist1

[novoAlias]

well, y not, thats wot hes done on just about everything else ive seen him do rofl :p
j/k, ur work is good, but it appears to be marked out by washed out textures
heres a quick and dirty guide to a quick and simple starting point, render that and w'ell see were you go :) (this is assuming ur using brazil)
1.strip out/disable all lights/ground planes
2.reset brazil settings (select diff renderer and reselect brazil)
3.go to samples, 3X3
4.luma server, skylight
5.csg server enable
6.render
7.post result here
8. then, and only then can you start stuffing around with lights again cos that way we can see wot ur thing really looks like :)
:halo:

[neo_mosher_zion]

lol sorry guy i dont actualy have brazil my renders are coming stiraght from 3dsmax 5.0.... lol

anyway heres a shot of the texture window \/

[neo_mosher_zion]

and heres a close up of the spoiler which i just made litteraly only 10min ago

[neo_mosher_zion]

heres a full shot of the car

note i think that the reason the car looks so white is cause of the white ground its on and the white sky... if i where i put a plane above the car and make it sky textured and some ashfalt as a floor texture the car wouold probably look better so i might just try that for the next render.

[punxva]

can we see a rear render?

[neo_mosher_zion]

and here is the one with the new ground texture and a sky texture... the sky didnt turn out right and ill have to fix that but the ground gave it a much better look

[neo_mosher_zion]

and heres a back

[brettm133]

Nice model but the wing? What's up with that man? It looks like a scaffold. :p

Its a cool car though.. :cool:

[nalhcal]

I don't know if its deliberate, but one I saw in the carpark the other night, its rear lights didn't stick out that far, they were more flush with the boot. :)

[slavke]

ok here is what you should put for your car material. Use Raytrace instead of standard. Then in the reflection slot use falloff with frensel. Go back to raytrace and under maps rollout in reflection put 60 instead of 100. Also in falloff options (this is optional) try to put higher index of refraction something like 2.5. This is the simplest way to get a good car paint material but there are all sorts of much complicative ways like RadarHead's is the one I use for my cars and is a bit more complex but I use it with brazil so I don't know how it behaves with default render.

[slavke]

if you try with white box as I told ya you might get something like this here (http://www.vind-studio.com/~slavke/f355-progress11.jpg) . Also use HDRI plugin for enviroment images instead of faking reflections like you do. Click here (http://www.splutterfish.com/sf/downloads/max/hdri/HDRI_v1.0.1.zip) to download it... GOOD LUCK!!!

[Phynius Gauge]

Great job on the model. I really like the rims, they look pretty sweet. Skylines rule:D :D :D

[neo_mosher_zion]

slavke thank you for the guidence. i will attempt to fix the lighting and the texture when i have time to do so... lol unfortunatly that probably wont be for another 24-30hrs. glad you guys like the model though. as for back lights thoughs red things are simply place holders i am not going to leave them looking like that you can be sure of that.

for this render the only thing i modified was the picture of the sky above the car... i made it bigger and it has seemed to work better. other then that i have done nothing... little rushed for time you see.

hopfullin i can finish this in time for feb2 which happends to be a portfoilo deadline at a very respected school called sheridan in ont. canada. it would cost a arm and leg but if i could get in that would be great all the same. so i might as well submit my best car if i am to submit anything at all lol

[neo_mosher_zion]

slavke: this is with the new raytracer settings... note i dont know how to change index of refraction, also i the raytracer is at 30 not 60 or 100.... school was cancled so here i am workin on it again

[neo_mosher_zion]

new back shot

[MattyG]

what year is that looks different than Need for Speed Undergrounds maybe its just cuz I sooped mine up too much.Anyways excellent model I wish I could car model.
[EDIT]maybe make the ground texture black and white and use it as a bumpmap too just a thought.
[2EDIT]Are u gonnna make a scene outta that cuz that would be so cool if u had a motion blur then another car and had it like street racing in Japan or suttin with bright neon lights

[tcomputerchip]

1. Back windows has overlapping onto model at top edges. Not sure if this is supposed to be there.

2. This is a difficualt area for most people. I think that the intersection between the two pannels is too clean. The edges of the pannels should be a bit more rounded, not 100% sure on this car, but the top of the head lamp fixture needs work.


3. For some reason the door seems as though its not aligned with the body on the right side of the drivers door. Something maybe with lighting or maybe in the model, this is giveing a wierd vibe here.

4. I never liked spiolers on cars. But if you must have one. I would recommend the same metal finish as the rims. Having it grayed out like this makes it look unpainted. Plus, you ever seen those brand new cars that are painted gray, looks like primer, man I hate gray cars.

5. Another window overlap section, maybe on other side too.


As for the lighting, I would follow the suggestion of removing all lighting from your scene and starting over if you have not already. There are great rendering systems out there that can assist in GI for the scene. I use final Render and the plug-in is very accurate and fast. Brazil R/S is another people like to fight over is the "Best". But in truth they all have the same code behind them, its a matter of preference. If you like the "settings" and taking a long time to setup your GI and lighting, use Brazil. I find that setting up lighting, for just about any scene, in final render is very easy and the results are supurb.

Anyway, you may like the control of having several lights. But, these GI systems now available are getting very close to real life lighting. They are becomming faster and more accurate. I would recommend venturing into a rendering system. VRay is another, I think its free. The others I mentioned are expensive, even for education discount.


Well, thats my 2 cents on everything. If you have questions on making your model look realalistic in your final composition, please ask. I have give some great tips.

[neo_mosher_zion]

i fixed the windows i done know whats wrong with the head lights... and the door is somewhat fixed as for the color of the wing i think ill leave that the way it is. if i make it the red crome then there will be tooo much red on the car

[neo_mosher_zion]

and a back shot

[tcomputerchip]

I was not talking about changing it to red chrome. I was talking about changing the crome to the rims chrome. All the crome should match on the car. Otherwise the car will look like it was made from part that you can get off the shelf at walmart.

Just a suggestion, the chrome should be a bit more shinny, maybe add a reflect texture to your chrome material and boost the glossyness/shinnyness. Remember, chrome can be perfect because when it comes chrome dipped, it is perfect to our eye's.

[tcomputerchip]

Here, I took a look at the headlight. You missed an inportant curve on the left side. Drawn out in the image below. The other curve on the right illustrates a slight indent to the top right.

In a few days, post a message. My girlfriend worked for nissan for more than 10 years. She will be able to help with this car no problem. I think she designed the interior for this car. Not sure. She will be back around 22nd of this month.

[slavke]

here I hope these settings will help you. I did them visualy so you get better idea.

[slavke]

and lightning

[slavke]

and turn on the light tracer under >rendering>advanced lightning>rollout>light tracer

[Kujoe]

slavke
thats very nice for helping others . Thats the best way to do it.by the pictures.Thanks;)

[neo_mosher_zion]

heres a pic with slavke's texture modifications... i liked the result until i saw the back side near the back... thats most likely a lighting problem ill try making new lights.

enjoy

[slavke]

don't use that background. That is why you get those unrealistic reflections. If you want to use background use HDRI images with the plugin I gave ya couple of post before or do as I told ya place a white self illuminated box above the car without any backgound images. Regular images don't give nice reflections that is why it looks like washed and blury trust me I tried it before.

[sarN]

yeah, if you just want something basic, and just have Max, i just put an HDRI map in env slot, then one in the skylight slot. Its not the best results like you can get form brazil (which mine is shot dangit) but its still decent :)
models looking good, are you planning on doing the interior>?

[neo_mosher_zion]

heres a view... wheni have the interior done and everything this will be my final rendering view.
i dont use HDRI's and also i dont have them anyway..
i hope you guys like the model cause other then a few mod's i probably wont do too much to it anymore. the body kits are all final the spoiler too. mistakes will be corrected but thats about it.

[travis_jinx]

I like the last render the best, but still with some work on the textures and lighting this could make this render look twice as good.

Try doing this tutorial and have a go with your materials it will change your life ;)

Splutter Fish HDRI Tutorial (http://www.splutterfish.com/gabry_hdri_tut_tmp/)

[neo_mosher_zion]

ill try the hdris out later sometime.... that tut. will probably come in alot of use thanks.

does anyone know a really really good way to get underglows... like the really expensive ones that are perfict. also i might copy 2F2F by adding a glow inside the car when i have the inside done.

[neo_mosher_zion]

so i did a little work.... keen new colors.

i have a few more too.... like 3 more posts

[neo_mosher_zion]

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[neo_mosher_zion]

and the last... check last pg i did alot of posting



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[novoAlias]

heh uve been busy while threedys been down...
ur work certainly has a style to it, i could probably look at a line up of cars and say which is urs :p
good work, i like the falloff one :halo:

[neo_mosher_zion]

fresh render hot off the ram

[sarN]

silver with the blue stripe and the black yellow red one is the coolest to me :D
very nice work, eah you definitely hav your own style, its good :p
keep i tup

[neo_mosher_zion]

im glad you guys like my style.... wasnt aware i had my own style but thats cool now i know.

[neo_mosher_zion]

nobody else gonna crit? is it that done?

[Kujoe]

Looking great dude.Keep it up man:)

[MattyG]

*drops dead*

[neo_mosher_zion]

Originally posted by MattyG
*drops dead*

thanks but i dont think im that good, not yet at least. glad you guys like it though. although Kujoe do you mean more posts of this car? cause im probably going to move on to anotha project.

i can post a sketch of a S2000 im gonna make sometime, not too soon though. other then it im gonna start a project of a cartoon character that a girl i know drew. that will be popin up in the organic section in a week or so i hope.

other then to post the s2000 modifications i wont worry about this thread anymore and thus let it fade away(lol)

[Airtwist1]

wow,

this black one looks kewl, very nice renders


Airtwist1

[Kujoe]

Originally posted by neo_mosher_zion
thanks but i dont think im that good, not yet at least. glad you guys like it though. although Kujoe do you mean more posts of this car? cause im probably going to move on to anotha project.

i can post a sketch of a S2000 im gonna make sometime, not too soon though. other then it im gonna start a project of a cartoon character that a girl i know drew. that will be popin up in the organic section in a week or so i hope.

other then to post the s2000 modifications i wont worry about this thread anymore and thus let it fade away(lol) I mean on all you work.keep it comeing dude;)

[sarN]

well neo, you make these great models, and personally, ihate your renderings :D
i think with changing some settings you could get some nice, realistic lookin crazy cars there lol. What software do you use? Anyways, i really suggest it, because your models would be killer in better renders :D

[neo_mosher_zion]

eventually im plannin to get brazil, but currently im using 3dmax 6... and my comptuer keeps messing up. like the scene i posted last i can no longer render... so i think theres some house work to be done. wonce done ill work on a character and this car\/

[neo_mosher_zion]

the car i drew over a print off i found on a blue print site. all upgrades body kits are mine though.

as for the character this is not my own creation a girl i know named Ashley Pike its her sketch and she says that i can make it in 3d. its going to be a cartoon style. hard part is keeping it look enough like her orgional drawing.

this is Ashley's sketch \/ (note her sketch was much larger i had to reduce the size to post it)

[crashcyrex]

very nice sketches, can't wait to see the end product...is that S2000? right? nice body kit btw....nice modeling on the Skyline also...very nice style :) keep up the good job

[neo_mosher_zion]

one thing im not adding on the s2000 to make it different fomr the others is.... NO spike thingys. im gonna try and stop myself. lol

heres anoths back ground i made its just got added stuff any my symbol nothing big ( my computer couldnt render this all as one i had to do it in parts... maybe i should try lowerin some mesh smooths.... that could help.

[Kujoe]

You keep them comeing you model king;)

[neo_mosher_zion]

lol you wont be sayin that when you see the character im worki on... lets just say if i could only model faces as good as i can cars.... I HATE FACES. anyone know how i can model the face of that sketched character??!!??

note ill be posting it in the organic section so theres no need to movie this thread. when i have something to post ill post it over there.

[novoAlias]

have u looked into edgeloops?
i know wen im finjished with mi current project im gonna start researching character/organic modelling way before i actually start doing something!

[neo_mosher_zion]

edgeloops? what is this that you speak off

[neo_mosher_zion]

so i geuss theres no actualy crits left?

[crashcyrex]

Have u thought about makin a tutorial on modeling your "styling" Skyline? just a random thought ;)
very nice modeling

[neo_mosher_zion]

by styling you mean makin bodky kits and stuff?

as far as a tutorial i dont think im that good yet, there are plenty of flaws in my works just i hide them if i cant fix them. plus ive never realy written a tut. the funny thing is in my high school digital art class ive proved that i know more about 3dmax then the teacher.... OWCH that must hurt.

[crashcyrex]

Must've been a burn for a teacher lmao but at least u shud write a tutorial on how u get your models started and all that small stuff and how u model your body kits or w/e...well in the end its up to u...but i would love to read a tutorial about ur method of styling ;) ight ttyl

[neo_mosher_zion]

makin a tutorial on my body kits and wings and stuff would be fun but currently im working on a robotics movie, and a character. i dont have much time at all. maybe sometime within a few months i could start it, probably wouldnt take long i dont normaly spend much time on kits and stufff, dependin on how simple they are. for this car id say the wing was my giggest work as far as time.

[neo_mosher_zion]

i tryed it with better lights and a ground texture to see the reflections.... considering it took alot longer with these new lights i dont think im gonna use them again

[tyio]

hi neo :D


cool car, maybe too much reflective :roll:



try with the Calsonic deco :cool:

[neo_mosher_zion]

i kida like making my own exteriour upgrades instead of using someones pre made ones. my way gives more freedom to my expression. the raytrance could be tonned down a bit oops