terrorists (a rant)

[Sessy]

Well, for anybody who doesn't know anything about today's terrorist attack in Madrid, Spain (Europe), there's about 1000 wounded and at least 186 dead, the number is expected to rise as officials count the body parts.
I'll spare you the pictures, they blew up several trains in the morning rush hour, thirteen bombs in total, another three dismantled. The trains looked, well, for anybody who saw the pictures of the terrorist attack on the Metro in Moscow - that's about how they looked, just that they were torn apart instead of in one piece, since unlike in the tunnel, it actually had a place to go, the shockwave that is.


I noticed that all the terrorist attacks were in the south-east of the city. That's usually the favourite spot for Chechen terrorists as well, when they blow up Moscow. Wonder if it's got some secret meaning to the terrorists?

And it's today the 11th of March, exactly a half a year after the feared date of 11 september, may one point out.

Don't really think the ETA did it, somehow this smells too much of international terrorism, although of course the ETA can learn effective practices from their international "brothers" in arms... and legs.. and other bodyparts.

Terrorists are a plague. :grr: And the sad thing is, it seems we're soon going to have to account for them, being city-residents, as the residents of tornado alley in the US have to account for tornadoes; you never know where the next one hits, at best you can get a couple of minutes' warning, and you can spend money on extra safety measures, but if you're in the epicentre, it's not going to help.

Looks like the steam-crash-course of psychology that they're giving to the Russians right now might soon as well become a day-long programme for schoolchildren, recognizing a terrorist in the crowd... It's a sad thing really, and what our officials don't seem to realize, is that a war on terrorism, means a world war, with civilians involved just as much as any troops. But then again officials are always trying not to mention stuff that might upset the sheep herd.



To close this thing on a humoristic note, a while ago I was reading an article, on how to recognize a terrorist in the crowd. Apparently, nervousness, and going to and from the same place several times with big backpacks is one of the things you can recognize them by, well mainly the nervousness, and the writers of the article said that they're nervous because:

"Most suicide bombers do this for the first time in their life"

:D

Unless it's a suicidebomber cat of course. Then it might have 8 times of experience.

[Profane]

I'm very close to all spanish friends here in threedy(and not only here)
what happened today is very sad....hope to see a world of peace as soon as possible...even here in europe!

[USED]

yes I am deeply saddened by the evils of this modern world... I also hope for peace, but I fear that human nature will prevent this...
all we can do is watch our own actions and interactions with others... because hate and evil spreads like no other disease...
we must all be kind, and have heart for our fellow man, even if they view the world differently...
My best wishes go to the people of Spain right now... may you all have a safe night....

[Drizzt]

I don't know if anyone else noticed,but i think that terrorist's lucky,holy nuber is 11.
twins: 11.09 1+1+9=11
madrid: 11.03.2004 1+1+3+2+4=11

Maybe this is just a coincidence,who knows,but...

I just hope that ppl will became smarter.

[bullethead]

My dad just told me that Al queda took responsibilty for this recent attack...I wish we would ****ing pull a terrorist attack on them...yet for ****ing government wont allow our troops to have any WEAPONS!!! my uncle and best friend is out there right now and they had their weapons tooken away because of cease fire and that they were afraid the troops would shoot at the enemy!!! I MEAN WTF!!!!!!!! COME ONE!!! God this war pisses me off soo much....i hate you bush...i ****ing hate you.

[Daniel]

my god, I didn't even know this had happed, it's really horrible. I'm saddened at the loss, it is truly inconceivable how a human being could participate in such sensless destruction...

[Ferry P]

Originally posted by Sessy
And it's today the 11th of March, exactly a half a year after the feared date of 11 september, may one point out.


it is a year and a half later!
:D

And I think terrorists are the biggest pain in the ass people can ever have!
They suck!
I wish I could be the judge and decide what to happen with the ones caught.

[Sessy]

Originally posted by bullethead
My dad just told me that Al queda took responsibilty for this recent attack...I wish we would ****ing pull a terrorist attack on them...yet for ****ing government wont allow our troops to have any WEAPONS!!! my uncle and best friend is out there right now and they had their weapons tooken away because of cease fire and that they were afraid the troops would shoot at the enemy!!! I MEAN WTF!!!!!!!! COME ONE!!! God this war pisses me off soo much....i hate you bush...i ****ing hate you.


You don't quite get what a war with terrorists means, do you? You know, it's going to be Jihad, they're going to recruit thausands and thausands of young, fanatic people, each good for a hundred dead or so. It's not going to be a war far from home, it's not going to be a war on a battlefield, it's going to be mass slaughter in the streets, and on our land, not in Iraq.


Russia's been fighting a war with terrorism for the past 10 years or so, it's cost 250 000 people on both sides, and we're not a step closer to peace.
And since America's war on terrorism started, the number of attacks only increased it seems. Turkey, Maroc, Iraq, - they're not extreme enough for them anymore.


Put a wall around the territory from Egypt's east borders to India's and China's west borders, no one in, no one out, maybe that'll help.


As for your uncle - he's lucky you could suppose, Dutch soldiers get put in jail for using their weapons. No kidding.
It's not that they aren't allowed to shoot, that wonders me, it's that they send them there in spite of it.

[Merrow]

Is any one else starting to wonder if future historians will say World War III began in 2001? I feel so sad about this news. It makes me less hopeful about my own future.

[Profane]

Originally posted by Merrow
Is any one else starting to wonder if future historians will say World War III began in 2001? I feel so sad about this news. It makes me less hopeful about my own future.


yes ...I'm not so hopeful for my future but I do believe that we (young generation) have the power and the ability to change the future....We live in 'democratic' states so we can avoid wrong political decisons..we can build peace....we can be politican ourselves....we got to use this power....The Spain tragedy is (sadly) a chanche to change...whatever is Eta Attack or Al Queda....

It's up to us...We need to work toghether and be more respectfull for life of evry human beings.

[Honki]

I recall when J.I. Terrorists bombed a noteclub in Bali and killed about 150 of my fellow australians. It hit home hard. Many people were distraught, even though they didn't know the victims, no-one could believe this could happen so close to home.
About half of a local football team was killed from Perth, which shocked the entire community.

Even my own mother, who is a nurse at Royal Perth Hospital in the burns unit, needed therapy. Personally, I want to torture and kill the ****s who brought so much trauma to my family.

But unfortunately, that makes the terrorist a martyr, and sets an example for the rest to follow.

I hate these pricks as much as anybody, but in the end...
What ya gonna do??

Go to the pub, live your life, and hope you're not next.

Its one of those things that nobody can ever stop, control, or predict. We just gotta accept it. It sucks i know, but thats just the way things are.

[niki]

I would like to also express my feelings...
I am very been sorry for what is happened in Spain, another 11 September, everything this is very sad...
But I wonder me if there is an effective way to stop these "lords of the terror".
Because the "great" don't succeed in stopping this threat?
Today we are forced to cohabit with the fear... this time has paid the consequences the Spain...
and tomorrow to whom will touch?
Can we hope in a best future seriously?

[Sessy]

Hmmm well I've been convinced for a couple of years already that we'll be fighting that 3rd world war before 1 januari 2014, and that makes us the ones who'll be fighting it.


But really, if you think about it, 99% of all the species that ever lived, died out in the course of evolution, I really don't think it's much different for civilisations, we'll die out, destroy ourselves, maybe then the dolphins will start evolving into something smart-assed or something, we'll see.
Just like in SimEarth.

(funny by the way, I was once running a simulation of SimEarth, and I had birds for sentient species, and there was STILL war in Afghanistan, Chechnya, and the Saudic region... :D

[Psistorm]

I seen it over here on TV too, and Im very shocked. especially when I heard that one of the dismantled bombs would´ve been strong enough to blast the whole train station to pieces. it was meant to detontate at a time when the rescue forces wouldve been at work already.

something that kinda hit me, too: the train station is called Atocha, right on the other side of the road is the hotel "mediodia", this was where I spent a class trip last year.
kinda makes you feel a lot closer to those things, what with you actually recognizing the whole scene around it.

[Sessy]

Hmm, yeah I know what you mean, Psistorm. The night of the terrorist attack on the Dubrovka theatre I visited an other theatre myself, mom was only by sheer luck not on the site of a bombing last winter, really, only sheer luck as she was planning to be there at the dreaded hour, and remember the moscow metro bombing between avtozavodskaya and paveletskaya a couple of weeks ago? I travelled the track nearly daily for about a month, and I was at the paveletskaya train station on probably 6 occasions in the last year, one of my favourite pairs of shoes was even bought from a street vendor there.


Eventually, it's just a matter of luck.

It was sheer luck for example that on the 11th there was a student strike in Madrid, because of which most students didn't go to their universities. Imagine what they felt.

[Mike-3DT]

I don't understand how terrorists think to be honest. I fail to see how anyone would think this would advance their cause. It's not like anybody is going to see this & think "oh maybe they are right".
Just to add to the coincidence thing, apparently (I haven't worked it out myself,) it's 911 days since the world trade centre incident. (incident seems like such an inadequate word...)

[Sessy]

it's also 3/11 and both dates come up to 11 numerologically.

they seem to like the number.


As for terrorists, they don't care about gaining people to their cause, not Al-Quaida, not IRA, not any of the others.

The IRA and similar organizations all over the world already have members, their goal is to scary people into doing as they like. Same how it works with taking hostages (well, or doesn't)

As for the Al-Qaida, we're not even people to them, we're heretics, who eat pork and don't cover themselves up and don't recognize Mohammed as the only and last prophet of the one and only Allah. So, there are people who claim it's justified to make us convert or kill us. Chechen terrorists like to convert a lot as well, for the Al-Qaida the individual is obviously too small a thing to worry about, it's easyer to just take them out by thausands. Those huge terrorist attacks don't have a point, demands are rarely placed and if they are, they can't be accomplished, the whole point of those is to make us scared, disturb our economy, and give a couple of insane people their daily dose of endorphines.

Bin Laden wasn't always what you see him now as, may I remind you. What he started out like - just that you didn't hear of it, because he was fighting against the "evil communists" and therefore by definition was a hero, what he started out like was a sadistic guerilla, doing small scale stuff - shoot a couple of POWs up out of a machine gun, throw a grenade at a humanetarean transport...

You might want to compare him to Hitler some, both lived very like "good people", didn't indulge in alcohol, numerous illegal sexual affairs, didn't indulge in huge housings with golden toilets or fancy clothing, wore simple, uniformish clothing, Stalin was like that too.
And all three had a particular interest in seeing people murdered in millions. The idea of apocalypse, wiping out everybody who wasn't to their taste, appealed to them.
Hitler saw the Arian race as the only one that should survive this apocalypse, Stalin - the komsomol, Bin Laden thinks it's the extreme moslims who aren't even allowed to sing anything but Koran verses.

I'm sure the Koran says that one mustn't kill just like that, I believe the people who say it does, but so does the bible say one musn't judge, that pride is a sin, sloth, gluttony, envy - among others - and yet there are a helluva lot of people out there who claim to be good christians and feel it nessesary to point out I am going to hell although they themselves are guilty of nearly every deadly sin, and don't take to mind Jesus's teachings. And that's exactly why one shouldn't judge, because people tend to only see flaws in others, where as they might have even more flaws, even more sins on their mind, and be in fact much worse people.

At any rate, the Koran can say a lot of things, it half-matters what it says, most of the people in countries like Afghanistan can't read the Koran themselves, so they rely on what officials tell them is in it. And officials don't usually have the best interest of the people in mind.
And those who can read, well let's just put it this way - to find on a population of billions, a couple of disturbed individuals and brainwash them - it's really not that difficult if you control most of people's lives through religion and they come to prayer every friday. Just wait for the local mental house to come by, you can get your potential terrorists by the dozen, then.

I imagine bombs are cheaper by the dozen, too.

[Sessy]

oh by the way I was telling what the Al Quaida sees us like, not what muslims see us like by definition. I had a few muslim (afghani) friends, apparently they don't see their own people much different either, to them a heretic and deserving to die is everybody who isn't complying a hundred percent with their vision.



they've apparently found some note from the Al-Qaida, dated a couple of days ago, saying there'll be a "train of death" in Spain, a "smoke of death" in Italy, and a "wind of death" in the US.

[Merrow]

Mike-3DT
I don't understand how terrorists think to be honest. I fail to see how anyone would think this would advance their cause. It's not like anybody is going to see this & think "oh maybe they are right".

Mike, I don't think they are trying to advance a cause. They are trying to win a war. Terrorism is a very effective military tactic. Consider how much money it cost to hijack those jets and use them as weapons. Now think about the billions of dollars that the United States spends every time they raise the alert level. It is a war, and sadly, the terrorists are winning so far.

If you think about the massive imbalance of a few poor terrorists fighting against the greatest army the world has ever known, then think about the losses suffered by each side, it seems clear that they are winning.

Of course they can't win in the end. When they have abandoned their own humanity in order to fight an enemy they will have nothing left worth fighting for.

[Profane]

Originally posted by Psistorm

something that kinda hit me, too: the train station is called Atocha, right on the other side of the road is the hotel "mediodia", this was where I spent a class trip last year.


I got my class trip there this year( I'm not in madrid because it was too expansive for me)but all my school mates are in madrid right now.They told that they've never seen something like that...They woke up in the morning with the sound of ambulances and police...fortunately they are all safe,but they can't live madrid at the moment...

[Profane]

sessy ...I don't wanna be bad....but you did a partial snapshot of what reality looks like.I agree with the fact of Bin Laden is a total jerk and he looks like a middle-east Hitler....but wait a moment....who gives him weapons?Who supported him?Bin Laden was an ex-agent of the CIA...americans 'educates' him...as well as russians did before them....It's easy to say 'those people wanna kill us cause we're heretics'...Most of european countries and of course Us have a lot of business in the middle-east and people who live there(except Israelians...ask u why..)are not so rich..they are damn poor!the only thing that they wanna do is fighting (I'm not saying it's right!!!)their enemies...it's so fast to convince poor and ignorant people to fight...sometimes as u said in your previuos post they can not even read Koran!!!A brainwashing can be very efficient at these conditions...don't u think???
In the last 20 years Usa and other European contries has developed strategy to earn as much money as possible from middle east countries without caring of what people'd like to do in their own state!!!!...and what about the last american war in Iraq ....Did u think americans really brought to iraqi people 'democracy'....well I don't think so...actually they're angrier more than before with the western civilization....


Anyway I must say that terrorism is by no meanings the way to solve problems...it's the worst thing on earth...we really need to change our way to think..(everybody) and build a world of peace.

[Torlok2002]

Originally posted by Sessy

they've apparently found some note from the Al-Qaida, dated a couple of days ago, saying there'll be a "train of death" in Spain, a "smoke of death" in Italy, and a "wind of death" in the US.


This is quite scary, Since I am going to a large US city at a gathering of thousands of people. That gas mask investment sounds like a good idea right about now...

which city? That I cannot disclose...

[Sessy]

Hey Profane, I probably didn't express myself clearly, since you're repeating what I just said basically.

The governments there have their own dirty interests, the koran says everybody should accept the Islam (as does the bible with Christianity, it's a logical conclusion from the idea that there is only one God), and they extrapolate that.

As for the war on Iraq, I have my own take on what America was doing there. America is worried Iran might be developing nuclear weapons. Even if they are, you know it's a silly idea that only five countries in the world may hold nuclear weapons! First of all, that angreement was signed, with the idea that the five largest countries would have such. Since then, Britain and France lost their colonies, and should have lost the right as well! They didn't.

Another point, is that at the time, they were the only countries with nuclear weapons. Similarly, you could sign a contract that forbids all other countries but the ones that are rich already to be rich. It sounds ridiculous, right? No more ridiculous than the nuclear weapon rule.


As for Iran, if it develops nuclear weapons, it won't ever launch them anyway, it would be a sheer psychological defensive thing, you don't attack a country that has nuclear weapons, generally. That's also the reason America is saying they'll use theirs if neccessary, because countries now realize that though America has it, it won't use it.
At any rate, it's a pain in the arse for America, it's an unpredictable factor, and must be controlled as much as possible. Hence the inspectors. An other nice factor in controlling it, is having an American military base right next to its border. Look at a map... Well, Turkmenistan is a neighbour. But Turkmenistan is also a dictatorship, and though the country is very poor, it's not very likely they'll risk the wreath of the arabic world on themselves to assist the yankees in taking out Iran if anything. In fact, I think Turkmenistan closed a treaty with Russia recently, about Russian bases there? The ways things are right now, you're either in the Muslim camp, in the camp of Germany-France-Russia, or in with America. The fact that they're on good terms with Russia is probably enough for America to doubt their loyalty to the cause, the fact that it's a muslim country (though women don't cover themselves as much as in Iran), is another one.

Maybe they would let you fly from there, but you can't rely on the loyalty of that country.

Well another alternative is that you fly from aircraft carriers. But that's expensive, and noticeable, you can't station your fleet in the gulf and pretend nothing's going on until the last moment.

Iraq is a perfect platform to launch spy-planes and in the case of war - bombers and fighters from.


This in turn means that Iran is in no position to use their nuclear weapons should they ever be attacked, since they'll get bombed to hell with planes from Iraq if they do. It's an impasse, but unfortunately one where both sides are standing with loaded guns behind their back. Well, it's not neccessarily bad, the Sovietunion and America lived like that for 40 years, it went okay.

However, the idea that America invades countries just like that bothers me - surely, Saddam was doing crap to his population, but it's still a sovereign country. You know, most of the countries in the world are a dictatorship of sorts - what, you gonna bring down Iran, White-Russia, Russia, Ukraine, Turkmenistan, half of the countries in Africa, China, and a lot, lot more?

What sort of a world will we have then? America is certainly no perfect democracy, and the whole idea of "spreading democracy" will fail, Russia was thrown into democracy all of a sudden, people don't want it, they still don't. They don't want to go back to Stalinism, sure, but they just about liked the level of dictatorship under Chrusjov, and that's why they like Putin, they think he'll bring just about that what was back then.

The whole idea of "spreading democracy" sounds a bit too much to me like the "spreading of the one and only religion christianity" in the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th century by European colonists.

[Torlok2002]

well... didnt get gassed, but I did manage to get quite ill. Stupid stadium full of people.

[Sessy]

Originally posted by Torlok2002
well... didnt get gassed, but I did manage to get quite ill. Stupid stadium full of people.

hmm? what?

[Torlok2002]

Originally posted by Sessy
hmm? what?


um... read above post.

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Originally posted by Sessy

they've apparently found some note from the Al-Qaida, dated a couple of days ago, saying there'll be a "train of death" in Spain, a "smoke of death" in Italy, and a "wind of death" in the US.
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This is quite scary, Since I am going to a large US city at a gathering of thousands of people. That gas mask investment sounds like a good idea right about now...

which city? That I cannot disclose...

[Sessy]

Oh... somehow it didn't occur to me there might be any other sportive event except for the superbowl in america.

[RBL]

I think that i´m the only spanish posting in this thread...
8 days since the tragedy. I have a frien in Madrid. The person who introducedme to the comic book industry. He was 2 train stops back to the death. I was close to lose him forever.

And the best friend of my girlfriend, who uses that train every day, didn´t answer the telephone in all day. And I wasn´t at her side to console her :cry:

I´m really tired that people kill people for stupid wars of the cynical governments.

I give you my humble thanks to all people that worried in knowing what happened in my country. And for your solidarity.

[novoAlias]

wind of death in america, implying weather machines? ;p

but seriously that thing in spain was truely brutal.

now a question, is the war on terrorism a terrorist act. ie scaring people into not attempting acts of terrorism?