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12-03-2004, 07:52 PM
If i make the examens well this year (so i can go to the next school)i'm allowed to pick an Computer (pc) an my mom buy it :p
but now i dont know what an great pc is.
it must handle:
Ok the price must be below €2000
I heard something op Xeon, but what does Xeon then pentium .. ?
I hope you guys can help me ..!!
12-03-2004, 08:41 PM
with or with out a monitor, because thats gona take a huge chunk out of the equation..
13-03-2004, 12:09 AM
I would get:
u are gonna build it selfe.. NEVER buy a complete computer it is UST c-r-a-p buy each part and build it your selfe.
Asus A7N8X-X nForce2 400 3DDR-DIMM 5PCI LAN Audio SocketA ATX
AMD Athlon XP2700+ Thoroughbred 2170MHz/2.17GHz 384Kb 333MHz 0.13 bulk SocketA
Maxtor DiamondMax Plus9 6Y160P0 160Gb 7200rpm Special Edition
TWO of this
225,90 EUR / 112,95each
TwinMOS Original TwiSTER 512Mb DDR PC4000/DDR500 184pin 500MHz CAS2.5
155,13 EUR each and u need 2 = 310€
Now u got the ground of a computer wait maybe a good soundCard
920€ soo far
Ohh i forgot the grafikcard "spell :P"
U want to PLAY and do 3D then u need a good card
Club 3D Radeon 9800Pro 256Mb DDR TV-out DVI RETAIL AGP
Soo far 1263 EUR and a monitor
Samsung 957P 19"
Soo far 1476 EUR
U can spend on maybe 3 Ram = 1500mb =)
Hmm u need a good keyboard
I got this VERY NICE KEYBOARD
1582 EUR soo far..
Remember this is swedish prices.. I heard the other countries has Crap Prices :roll:
13-03-2004, 12:12 AM
The rest of the money can u spend on FANS and CPU cooler and other things
DOh! u need CD too
LITE-ON LDW-411S DVD +R/RW -R/RW 4X DVD+R 4X DVD+RW 4X DVD-R 2.4X DVD-RW 40X CDR 24X CDRW black bulk IDE
and A: diskett is about
13-03-2004, 12:13 AM
The cpu can u buy other.. But buy AMD if u aiming on P4.. u cant buy monitor and ram and lots of GB :p
13-03-2004, 01:18 AM
Ok thnx for help, i currently have this..
een p3 933 mhz ! :P
33 gb hd :P
---Stays in this case^^^---
---vvIn the new pc----
An Nvidia Geforce TI 4800 SE 128mb ddr.. and i have an 17 inch monitor. ..
it is still 3 months.. to wait :(
BUt prefer penitum or xeon (what is xeon lol, what is the difference with penitum )
13-03-2004, 01:35 AM
What dear Downup is proposing there is something I call a "my penis is bigger than yours"-computer. :p
my two cents:
Don't waste your money on a EUR 100 (!!!) Keyboard, if one for EUR 7,50 will do just as good. Experience taught me that all the fancy buttons are never used anyways. Get a good solid keyboard for no more than 25,- everything else is a waste of money. Then get yourself a mouse that you are comfortable with. forget about wireless too, it is just not neccessary and buying all those batteries would annoy you soon enough.
19" monitor - nice. But consider well. Will you be going on game-parties? You said you'll want to play the latest games, so this sounds likely. Trust me, you don't want to carry a 20 lbs 19" monitor into the 4th story. Go for a 17" flatscreen instead.
a case for 80,- is another waste of 30,-, I think. In the end this is a piece of metal and plastic that houses your computer. No need to buy the cheapest one, a mid-range mid-size tower for 50-60,- should do. And there are many that look cool enough, don't worry about that.
2x160GB harddisc? I don't think so.
Buy one for now - IF you can fill that one up you can still buy a secondary HDD.
The worst of all: 120,- for a soundcard, come on! A 32 bit Soundblaster card can be obtained for far less and the sound will be just as good because the PC-speakers will without doubt sound ****ty anyways. You can think of such a soundcard, if you attach the computer to the hifi-stereo, but even then i would consider it to be a waste.
so much from me.
sorry for taking your proposal apart downup ;) :cool:
13-03-2004, 04:29 AM
Well the Nforce has a soundcard in it.. So he wont need that if he not is a hardcore i want good quality in my fu¤"% speakers
over 200gb is a good thing
1 u wont need to cry when the hd is full
2 u can use ALOT of virtuelmemory
and soo.. =)
yeah yeah .. buy what ever...
13-03-2004, 06:18 AM
hahaha Chris, I like that, 'my penis is bigger than your penis computer' lmao
although for the memory I do think that having over 200gigs is good, I have 210 gigs right now and 100 of that is already taken, but for the rest man, your pushingthe envelope a bit Downup, lol.
13-03-2004, 06:22 AM
My system is
1024DDR pc3400 twinmos
Sound Blaster audigy
yeas works fine.. but still a very slow computer:roll:
wow downup , good advise :D
can you tell me where did u find all those pieces and prices ?
I also do agree with chris , wasting money on fecny stupid things is bad
18-03-2004, 09:11 AM
don't get a 2700+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ****head!!
get a 2800+ BARTON!, overclockability gentleman, and CACHE
Or get a Operton,or the FX. ROBITCHINLY FAST!
Intel is too expensive, i'd almost buy it but not.
I don't know which is better for modeling, Radeons or Nvidia. But as it stands the Radeon 9700 Pro is still the most cost-effective thing on the market. So if you can find one, get it. Also 256 mb of memory is a waste of money. Even the most modern of games doesn't use it the extra 128.
Another thing to consider is whether you like to model high or low poly. If high get lots of ram, if low, get 512 mb.
As far as moniter size goes consider this my friend lugs around a 21" it's not that big of a deal. I would get a 19" personally cas' I always find myself sort of seaching the screen if it's any bigger. A flat screen blurs in games and sucks. DO NOT GET ONE, till they get better. THEY ARE STILL NOT GOOD ENOUGH.
For sound I'd get a Audigy 2. You'll thank yourself later. The faceplate is a waste of money, if you really want one get it in a package deal. If you lan a lot don't get bitchn' subs and powerful speakers it's a waste. You can't bring them to the Lan. So a good pair of headphones aka "cans" is in order. Grado Labs has the most costeffective headphones on the market. The SR 60's being well known as the most costeffective headphones in the world. Now that said, don't get anything bigger then the 125's. Your computer won't power it.
A standard 106 will do the job as well as downup's ****board. A mouse is a great place to lay down the money. I'd say buy whatever microsoft is selling at $50. If your a lefty then get a ambidextrous logitech.
Antec powersupplys get it done, so buy an antec case to get an antec powersupply. If you don't think powersupplys matter talk to my dead hard drive,motherboard, and graphics card.
As far as mobos go, ASUS and Gigabyte are both good. It's like choosing between BMW and Mercedes.
Another thing to keep in mind black drives on a white case don't look great. Also White drives on a black case don't look great.
www.pricewatch.com is a great place to check out.
18-03-2004, 08:57 PM
I'd agree for building one. Even if it is your first build, its still quite possible, befriend someone who has built one before. You will learn a lot.
I'd also agree on getting AMD if your looking for a less expensive computer. It seems like intel is just getting worse and worse, especially for how much more $$ you will end up spending. I guess as long as they have those little stickers and that cute little jingle "commoners" will continue to buy them.
I would also caution against getting cheaper cases. Most antec cases are good, but a good lian li case is superb. Solid construction and they look darn good too!
19-03-2004, 01:46 AM
On a sidenote: John Silver, we don't call each other ****heads here, even if it's *'ed out. Thanks.
19-03-2004, 03:20 AM
I know quite a lot about this subject since ive been building PCs as a job for about 10yrs…
And, you know the first thing I would say is do a lot of research. Don’t just take the word of one person, not even me. A good place to go is this forum:
Ask the same question there that you asked here and you will get reliable answers
BTW, you don’t need to spend a lot of cash to get a nice looking case. Theres plenty of cheaper ones coming onto the market now that have windows and lights and all that “my penis is etc” stuff that some people like.
I also would not buy a 2700
Having 2 hdds is also silly, unless you intend to raid them. If you need more storage buy a DVD writer. You dont have to keep everything on your hdd forever....
I also think that buying a flat screen just to be able to take it to lan parties easier is a bit silly. Buy a 19CRT for your home and a 17CRT for taking to parties and it would still cost you less than the flat screen and give better pictures. Flat screens are for the seriously rich, as only the really expensive ones give picture and performance close to the “real” monitor IMHO :)
My advice go to the forum I gave link to ask same question there wait a few days for replies and whatever they say will likely be the “right answer”
25-03-2004, 11:22 AM
actually 2HD's can speed up your comp a little, keep your virtual memory/scratch disk on the one opposite your OS and programs, it works great.
25-03-2004, 10:13 PM
True. In the M$ recommended proceedures for installing Win2k server (for example), it says seperate some of the OS files accross 2 physical drives (both for speed and recovery). But, for what you are suggesting (just the swap files) the 2nd drive doesnt need to be big. I would still raid the 2x160Gb drives and use some old 3Gb one or something for the purpose you suggest, or just have a 1x160Gb drive and use anything cheap for the 2nd.
On one of my systems at home I have an old 3Gb drive that does nothing but host the swap file for the OS. Its a good way to utilise those old hard drives that you upgrade from and then just leave on the shelf to gather dust.
I still think that buying 2x160Gb drives and then not raiding them is a huge waste. You probably only need to pay another $5 or something for a mobo that would support it. If you still want the swap file somewhere, buy an old hard drive off ebay for another $10, or ask your friends they probably have old ones they dont need
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