why not a car subforum?

[claWda]

didn't know where to post this, saw one subforum but it had like 500 posts in it total so I figured not many people would read, but since it concerns the "inorganic forum", I thought this would be the proper place to post this

to the point, I'm amazed moderators haven't already created a car subforum, I like threedy, the people who post here, the models etc, and I even like most the cars but I just can't stand there being like 2 new car threads every day. Out of every 10 WIP:s 1 is interesting and fresh. The other 9 are...cars. cars cars cars.

I know it sounds like I'm whining, but think about it, I've seen users here passively complain that all people model are cars, so why not filter that and create an entire subforum for cars?

other vehicles, like planes, shuttles, robots whatever could still be posted here, cause they're not as common, but everything that has 4 wheels and a steering wheel should be posted elsewhere

I know this might offend some, and seing how some of the mods are great carmodelers, I don't really think they will listen to this, but as I, and many others see it, it's a very natural thing to do, give the car modelers their own subforum

oh well, bye

[eldo]

great idea.
the car threads seem to be frequented most (in the inorganic WIP-forum).
I m not a car-modeller. Made some cars, but got bored after finishing the 4th.
Im more a sci-fi-modeller but my threads never get as much posts as i wanted them to get (an my work is not the worst).
All those Car-Threads have such a enormous Post-frequency, that a typical non-car-thread is going to be on the 2nd Page after a few hours.

just my 2 cents (and a bit of the worst english existing :roll: )

regards

[Aichi-Val]

ya ,they need a sep. thread for cars, i lik to se the othe things in 'inorganic' forum other than the cars

[bullethead]

I do agree about there being a big group of people that are making cars. A sub forum wouldnt be such a bad idea, would give a chance for other threads to shine. I have nothing against the people that make cars since I do as well, but Im making an army tank for a change so why not post in it if you dont like seeing all the cars threads...lol...links in my signature for the russian isu-152

[legato]

i do agree with blackwolf....although im not a frequent work poster here but i do think those who like to do other stuff than cars should post here as much as they can...u see with the amount of car WIPs here (and damn good models as well) no wonder so many modellers out there get inspired and model even more cars....plus they get good help too from other car modellers....so, i hope to see some other type of transportation/machinery if not inorganic models ... cheers

[bullethead]

Originally posted by legato
i do agree with blackwolf....although im not a frequent work poster here but i do think those who like to do other stuff than cars should post here as much as they can...u see with the amount of car WIPs here (and damn good models as well) no wonder so many modellers out there get inspired and model even more cars....plus they get good help too from other car modellers....so, i hope to see some other type of transportation/machinery if not inorganic models ... cheers

Again I direct you to the link in my signature:D for the russian isu-152

[novoAlias]

?????

lol

anyway there was a discussion over having a car subforum before it was split into inorganic and organic :):) i think the moderators decided against a car forum on the basis of having to many or something like that, although it could be a subforum to the inorganic forum? the only problem is the work generated for the mods in sorting all the posts ever made for cars and putting them in there ;)

[claWda]

I knew people agreed, but blackwolf I see your point there, but how about letting all the cars that have already begun stay here and every new car should be created in a separate car forum?

the reason I bring this up now is, I see some great renders and some really skilled people getting like 1-2 replies while others, who suprisingly create cars, have a reply counts up to 10-20 just for showing a simple shape, and I find that VERY hilarious but also kinda sad.

Good artist with imagination don't get the attention they deserve, and when their threads disappear as quickly as they were created, what do you think the odds are that they will post here again?

Just for the record, it's happened to me like once, but seeing how that render actually sucked I don't blame anyone for not replying lol, so this is not about me if anyone's wondering.

Finally I would just like to say that on some other swedish forums like www.grafisktforum.org and www.animate.se, artists with imagination get credit for it, and the one key factor is, funny enough, only 10-20 % of the threads are carthreads...

[Ferry P]

this is the wrong place for this thread, but whatever...

I think it would be great to have a car-forum...
But then again...I would love to see averything catagorized...

[Chan]

I think that the subforum should be for everything else other than cars.. And the bigger forum should be left to car threads, 'cause they are very frequent.

[Marcia]

My question is: would having a separate car forum or sub-forum leach off most of the participants in the regular inorganic forum? Or would you all continue critiquing and posting in both?

[geoMan]

wud be a good idea...there are many car modellers here...but...if it happens...the inorganic forum will be very inactive i reckon!

[T0XIC]

I'm all for a car sub-forum. Given, they do comprise the majority of "inorganic" threads, but they shouldn't dominate the forum either.

[claWda]

well to be honest, I would rarely visit the car forum, if one was to be created, but that just shows how tired I am of all the cars. With 3D you have a chance of using your creativity, I know it's good practice and all and it sure takes lots of skill, but to model a car using blueprints and the same radarhead paintjob over and over again gets old, I mean, how fun can it be??

to people who are not into 3D, they do not get impressed at all when they see 3dcars, that is, unless they have really high class and look very real, what impresses people in general though, are cool scifi environments and different architectural designs, because that's something that could be real, but still isn't.

this is of course just what I think, but to be honest, I'm fed up with 3Dcars, and I know a lot of other people are too. Let's give creative artists the attention they actually deserve, instead of posting the same, sorry, crap over and over again at every single car thread.

hope I'm not offending anyone, not my intention at all, take care

[R2Wrace2win]

sounds good would be neat

[bullethead]

I agree with you claWda but you have to realize some people will take offense to what you said.

[claWda]

yeah I know man, well big changes never satisfy everyone, but it would be a nice change

my question is, does every moderator ignore this thread or do they simply not want to see it? I know 3DT-dan and Andy are great, and I mean really great, car modelers, could it be you are hoping this thread will disappear? because the reason I started this is not to discuss, I want to see changes, now who am I to demand a change? well, noone, but there seems to be users sharing the same idea so if a moderator sees this thread please reply. again, I have full respect for carmodelers skills, it's just their (lack of) creativity that bothers me. please don't get upset if you work with cars, I would like to hear your opinions aswell

[brazz]

hi there. I agree with you, there should be a diferent forum for car modellers, I love cars, and althought I do other modellings at work, I just like modelling cars, and I modify it as I go along.
I´m not offended with your comments, the reason I signed up for 3dtotal forums is that it seems that most of the posts here are cars, diferent from other forums.
so yeah, mods, what you think about that?? how about giving us our own car suforum:: :)

[Marcia]

ClaWda, why not try starting a thread in the 3DTotal and Threedy discussion forum? Maybe that would get the attention of whoever has authority to make site modifications and at least get answered one way or the other.

[mmiller]

I have mixed feelings on this one
A seperate car forum would allow for better focus i suppose, but is that a good thing?
I'm not so sure.
I think we all might benefit from more variety not less.

Yeah, there are a lot of car threads, and personaly i find them uninteresting.
But I don't think the subject matter is the problem.
It's all the ..... sameness.
after you've seen 30 or 40 contemperary cars that all look pretty much the same ... it get's kind of boring.
of course, the same could be said of big boobed anime girls. :roll:

I guess what i'm getting at here is that I think everybody needs to focus less on what they model and more on how they model it.
(just like in Dans tag line)
And if we keep subdividing into smaller and smaller special interest groups based on subject, then we just make it worse.

The focus shouldn't be on the subject.
Just my opinion
Mark

[claWda]

hey marcia, you knwo it really doesn't matter, you know the little line above all threads that tell you who's browsing? I've seen mods there a million times, and since this thread is actually directly binded to the inorganic forum, what difference does it make where it is?

mmiller, exactly, after you've seen 30-40 cars, even more, it gets very boring.

However I disagree with you, what you model should be focused, not how you model it. who cares really what method you use to create something, every method is a good method, if it works. VARIETY, is a big reason why people visit 3dforums daily, most people like myself are looking for something new and fresh, because that's inspiring, it's like I listen to different types of music mainly because it gets me inspired and I can model cool scenes or compose nice pianosongs.

In the beginning I was like "wow, look at that ferrari", now it doesn't matter what car I see, because I know I will probably see 3-4 of the same model, and it's getting so old...and what mainly bothers me is that every new car thread gets too much attention, if it's semigood it gets A LOT of attention and if it's great, people go crazy.

I've seen awesome abstract work get like 10 replies tops. this is why I want to filter the cars, because once they are in a separate forum, other threads will shine...

neo_mosher_zion said, "thanks ya i know what is with threedy nowadays." I found his elevator scene on second page with ZERO replies, I posted a simple reply and now it has 11 replies, without any bumping. why did this happen? because people are so quick to update their carthreads for every little vertex they move and since the front page is lurking with cars and new ones created all the time, no wonder neo's thread just disappeared.

[Marcia]

I guess the point was just to make it easier to find stuff that isn't a car, because other threads get lost so easily, not so much to make infinite divisions by subject matter. Quality is not so much the issue, although I agree with your point.

You can always look in both folders. I would, because I love the classic cars, but all that current production stuff is a snooze (imo, just imo). :)

Geez, you're fast ClaWda... you posted while I was writing. I think making cars a subforum would be a great idea, because everyone would have to go through the inorganic folder to get to them (like going through the kitchen to get to the garage :D), so everyone would still be exposed to all the new uploads and modifications.

[mmiller]

However I disagree with you, what you model should be focused, not how you model it. who cares really what method you use to create something, every method is a good method, if it works. VARIETY, is a big reason why people visit 3dforums daily, most people like myself are looking for something new and fresh, because that's inspiring, it's like I listen to different types of music mainly because it gets me inspired and I can model cool scenes or compose nice pianosongs.

hmm..
I think you might have misunderstood me.
I'm not talking about techniques or methods for creation.
I'm talking about the work.

The only thing of any real importance is the image.
We tend to focus on technique here because that is one of the best ways we can help each other.
But, it's all just a means to an end.

All i'm saying is that the focus should be on the image.
not on whether or not there is a car in it.
And, I don't think that just because there happens to be a car in an image that it neccesarily has to be boring.
Personaly, i jump on anything by 3D-Dan or trevorn and several others.
They offer something different.
The fact that they are doing older cars has something to do with it.
but also a clear personal style.
that's the key.

In reality, yeah, your right
A lot of guys working on their car modeling skills.
and a lot of it looks the same to me.
and it does get tiresome slogging through it all.
But, i think the value of the feedback offered on this forum is lessened if the only people resonding are those who are all into the same thing.

mark

[claWda]

okay mark got your point, and yeah I also like trevorn, andy, radarhead and dan's work, why? because, as you say, they differ from other carmodelers, they add that extra personal touch to them that makes them somehow come alive :)

lol marcia, yeah that's a great idea, haven't thought of it that way, being a subforum to the inorganic forum would really really be a great idea

[mmiller]

Originally posted by Marcia

... I love the classic cars, but all that current production stuff is a snooze (imo, just imo). :)
I definitly agree with this.
Contemperary cars ALL look so very much the same to my eye.
and if you just look back a little you can find so many strange and wonderful designs.
I honestly don't understand why we don't see a greater variety.

Personaly, I'd say that as far as "realism" goes
the car guys win
Some of the stuff I've seen is so "photo-real" that it is actualy impossible to tell it from a photo.
Which is very impressive.
But, is it desirable?
Do you realy want to be a camera?

you know what they say
be careful what you wish for .....
Mark

[3Dan]

ClaWda, i did read your first post before anybody replied to it. I did not reply because i'd like to know what's the general opinion.

As you can see there are several opinions.

The WIP section split into Organics and Inorganics. If the Inorganics would split again, the car subforum would still attract many views and perhaps many of those who posted on it would hardly ever watch other forums.

I have to agree that so many new car threads are boring, like "here is my Audi" - but we can't forbid ppl posting their models unless it's something offensive. So you just don't watch it.

With so many threads - car and non-car, organics and inorganics, 2d and 3d, just take your pick. Threedy has grown a lot. Stick to what pleases your soul.

Cheers.
Dan

[Marcia]

Well... then, how about a surcharge to anyone uploading a car you're likely to pass on the road more than 10 times a day? :roll:

[Yustas]

i think it would be nice to see inorganic forum divided in vehicles weaponry and space forums... some of the threads are hard to keep an eye on, just because there's so many car postings..

[novoAlias]

i think the point really is that while yes we can avoid car threads, if anyone here is like me i dont normally dig past the second page, if say 50% of the threads are cars, and ive seen the thread before im unlikely to check again fo a while, meaning that the other 50% of threads are the ones i look at, if there was a separate car forum i would go there to check up on my mates cars etc :) but i could also go to this forum and see creativeness, some people have a car down to a fine art, every seam perfect (unlike me ;)) but is it fair to those who dont make cars to have their threads drowned out? it seems to me that people on the forum who post in car threads are already in the situation your talking to me, altho my view may be a tad extreme i still think that a degree of separation might be nice to help distinguish between a daihatsu 1988 charade (made up :p) and a boat with an equally broken name which might not be commented on because people think its a car (yes i know i just contradicted what i said before, just try and see from this POV :))

i think that was what im trying to say, if it makes sense then thats a good thing :)

l8rz im outta this thread fo a while :p

[legato]

hmm im gonna approach this from another point....dont u guys think this is some sort of wake up call to us car modellers?..such that we have to make it more of an art form rather than just realistic?...just my 2 cents tho

[Marcia]

Originally posted by Yustas
i think it would be nice to see inorganic forum divided in vehicles weaponry and space forums... some of the threads are hard to keep an eye on, just because there's so many car postings..

So, where do you put anything that's not a vehicle, weapon, or sci fi thing? I wish people would think out-of-the-box a little more.

[Yustas]

Out of the box is for organic modelers :))

[Marcia]

Out of the box is for all artists. :) Inside the box is for technicians. ;)