do you know what is TCPA?

[RodrigoRosa]

Have you ever heard about TCPA? Well, help yourself (for those whom use computers it will be very newsworthy.

http://www.lb.shuttle.de/apastron/noTCPA.htm

http://www.againsttcpa.com/what-is-tcpa.html

[synkronizer]

My god, that's frightening. Looks like they want to turn the internet and all computers linked to it into one giant mainframe!

Is this for real?

[RodrigoRosa]

unfortunately yes... but surely the hackers, linux users and all people around the world that do not wanna loose freedom will found a solution (for example, not buying components with TCPA tech)...

[novoAlias]

i have a simple solution

*unconnects internet*

apart from that its scary. wots even more scary is this:

The companies:
The TCPA was founded 1999 by Compaq, HP, IBM, Intel and Microsoft. But in the meantime around 200 companies joined them. You will find Adobe, AMD, Fujitsu-Siemens, Gateway, Motorola, Samsung, Toshiba and many other well known companies. IBM already sells first desktops and notebooks with integrated TPM.

i think this only works from the point of view of the companies, they are taking the view that there is nothing the consumer can do about it. i think not negotiating may be the biggest mistake they could make. like RFA its a violation of privacy that WE HAVE NOT BEEN TOLD ABOUT because of this they are virtually enforcing a hackers reasons for hacking software and databases in the first place. (freedom of information and preserving rights) the idea that they (the companies) have total control of your computer is especially scary because that is like having hacking software that is legal. it also prevents any new software companies from even starting to produce software.

and if its hardware made will linux even work? maybe thats the biggest threat is if linux and the thousands of companies like it which dont agree take legal action against having their systems ruled out. like RodrigoRosa says our biggest chance is that these companies are in a giant minority and this action would be immoral, even if the government might support it after microsoft promised them a window into this whole thing.

it could be possible that there will be companies that make computers that dont agree with it so that there will effectively be a divide were some users will continue using TCPA software but those more computer literate or with less reason to will use non TCPA computers and software. you just couldnt have that for a work computer...

and then what if the internet only works for TCPA enabled computers? dayumn we'll need a new one of those too...

otherwise computers will die out, what will we use them for after all? creation of content is half the point!

[novoAlias]

another concept comes to mind

-actually since this is in america, unless they decide to make themselves lord of all they have a giant job on their hands, one is that if they make someone outside of america a criminal they will find it hard to do anything about it. especially if the country the 'criminal' is in isnt inclined to hand over someone on the basis of nothing more than this TCPA system. unless of course the american government forces each and every other country on the planet to comply by eg. threatening them with a nuclear bomb.



They will control every aspect of function of "your" own computer(s). They will update/tweak/change your system due to their own will only, and you can do nothing against it (aside from switching power off).

[QUOTE]Even worse, they can arbitrarily create and modify documents on your system and claim, that they were created/modified by you, without any chance for you, to prove the opposite, which means, they can make you a criminal, when they want (keep in mind, that there are always illegal documents/pictures in virtual every country, so they have this capability).[\QUOTE]

has anyone seen minority report? the story included a totally set up muder to start the system it was run immorally by using 3 people to predict every murder (they forced them to live through every one) except that the people the government would use is every computer user on the planet. using the second quote we can get the basis of the system being used, although they may not need to prove it in such away but consider if this software was used to say prevent a bomb blowing up from some terrorist organisation? BOOM! instant acception, unless people have heard of the technology before the slant this gives means that they are very likely to accept :) viola we have a nation using TCPA systems and voluntarily too because it makes them safer!

so our only chance is to spread this information! before its too late!

signing off
part time conspiracy theorist

/i have been doing too much future problem solving =/

[USED]

the day will come when this is what we all use and we will look back at the computers of today and laugh... It is scarry to think about now, but remember folks that all new tech has always been scarry...
Oh a carage with out a horse, but what if it gets out of control? ..
oh flying a plane by wire, but what if something shorts out?...
oh saving all of your work to a computer system, but what if it crashes?...
oh connecting your home PC to the internet, but what if people see what your looking at?....
and Oh my computer is just a node on a massive world wide mainframe computer, but.............
see my point!?! I work in IT (information tech.) and I know for a fact that this will come down the road quicker that we all think, I also know that the new version of windows will start this trend, cant say why but it will. But we will see it in 2006 or a few years later. And for all of you hackers out there fear not, if something is made on a computer it can always, and I mean ALWAYS, be unmade on the other end...
there will be many benifits to systems like this, one for us is rendering :D I would love to render something on every freakin computer in the world :D :D :D

[Daniel]

:::coughs::: paranoid :::coughs:::

[novoAlias]

;)
and that would be a neat rendering system, but that would mean u need permission to render in the first place

/reads own post

disclaimer: it was the last day of school, anything said under such circumstances is likely to be biased or exaggerated in some way :D:D

[RickStefani]

When ever I hear the words, "Cartel" and "Control" it does always sound paranoid. I had a chip put in my Puppy and I actually have someone here at a job that thinks that is the start to us all being chipped. They well know were we are at all time. Haha.

The Media is a big Cartel and business. Haha, Is that why it says FOX and MSNBC or BBC on it? Man, what will they smooth over on us next. Sorry but I hear things like this a lot.

[ross_coe]

along similar lines:

http://www.stoppoliceware.org/?fromstopfccdotcom

[Daniel]

Originally posted by RickStefani
When ever I hear the words, "Cartel" and "Control" it does always sound paranoid. I had a chip put in my Puppy and I actually have someone here at a job that thinks that is the start to us all being chipped. They well know were we are at all time. Haha.

The Media is a big Cartel and business. Haha, Is that why it says FOX and MSNBC or BBC on it? Man, what will they smooth over on us next. Sorry but I hear things like this a lot.

rofl same here. I say if it will happen it will happen, nothing we can do about it.

[ross_coe]

i find it odd that the powers that be would openly try to pass a law that would enable them to control and spy on our computers, when they most probably already have the means to do it without us knowing (and without us kicking up a fuss about it).

this law probably wont be passed, and we will all say "phew" and fall into a false sense of security while the "cartel" looks in on us thru the back door.

i'm sure they already do spy on us - the amount of paedophiles getting caught in the UK from accessing child porn on the net has increased (obviously the more of them that get caught the better).

but should that allow them to spy on everyone? kinda like a double edged sword i guess

[USED]

yup yup.. ross...
they are spying on us... I am spying on people here at the college that I work at... Every network admin can know every piece of traffic that passes through there system... and other systems if they wish...
the thing is and that can put your mind at ease, is there is sooooooooooooooooooo much data, that even computer systems can not flag everything... for example my exchange (a type of email servers) servers get an avrage of 100,000 pieces of email per day! that is just email hitting the network... so the HTTP gateways get millions apon millions of connections each day.. and this is not that large of a college. So take ease that do to the vast #'s you can still remain with your privicy, un less, like you said, your looking at things that have hevay flags like kiddy porn, making bombs or making drugs...
and if they cant even stop these trojin viruses, believe me they dont know what email your getting in your hotmail account ;)

[Torlok2002]

Originally posted by DanielB
rofl same here. I say if it will happen it will happen, nothing we can do about it.

:!!!: Yeah... good thinking ya got there. "AHHHH a train is coming!"

"Well, nothing we can do about it... just sit here" BAM! :halo:

The people are the driving forces behind coporations. With unity we can force them to do what we want, because they need the one thing we get.... $$$. It's just a matter of getting all the proles to understand trusted computing. Dont make their mind up for them, give them the facts and let them decide for themelves.

You wonder why i say this? Go down to best buy or any other large retail PC shop. "Joe" doesnt care about trusted architecture, or open source. Hell, he probably doesnt know what an operating system, or BIOS, or anything else in depth. He see's that "this computer is more Ghz than this computer." And that this computer has the latest version of M$ Windows (R) on it so it HAS to be better. Dont beleive me, go stand down and listen to a conversation between a salesperson and a customer in the computer department.

We need to educate the masses about this system. And posting it on message boards and a few chain emails is not good enough. Most computer illiterate "joe's" would need a couple hours of learning just to understand trusted computing. They arent going to read a 10 page document their "wierd computer geek cousin" sent them. This needs to be explained on mass communication such as TV and radio. This needs to be on the news, and other shows rather than 10 hours of the same crap of Iraq, or about the all mighty final episode of some reality show.:halo: