Censorship

[john silver]

What are your thoughts on censorship?

[Knut]

in what context?

[Fusion]

cencorship= crap, garbage, control, bu||sh*t, etc.....I think you know wher im going with this:grr:

I could on the other hand write a very long essay on why cencorship is bs, but unfortuantly i don't have all the time in the world:( so maybe another time :)

But perhaps my few min. sketch can explain.......very clearly!!

[Gflargh!]

I am hugely offended by your post please blur that middlefinger immediately!!

No I'm just joking, :D
censorship sucks in every form and is also a threat to democracy. Even small stuff like bleeping, how do you know know for sure what words are bleeped?

I say replace censorship with responsibilty!!

[Fusion]

*sniff sniff* no one likes my art :ugh:

but ya, if you've seen the matrix then you can say, bleeping/cencorship is a system of control because it holds you back from the truth and what really lies out there.

They don't even let us choose between the red and blue pill, what kind of world is this.

So here's another system of control.......photoshop filters :D

[Torlok2002]

There are systems of control in all governments today. Most worse than censorship.

Anyways, I think censorship is a horrible system too. All it does is give the so called "bad" actions or items the power to be "bad". Nothing is inherently evil , we only perceive them to be so.

[Torlok2002]

although I do beleive censorship in private communities (such as forums you ****ers!) is very good. Private clubs/organizations should be able to censor whatever they like, if you dont like it... you dont have to be here/there.

I dont every remember electing up to be an american...

[Chris-3DT]

I have been following this thread for a short while now, since it was opened by John Silver, to be precise.

The reason why he has opened this thread, I believe, was that a post by his was edited out and that he was forbidden to swear here on the forums.3dtotal.com.

He has recieved a warning from me, backed-up by all other moderators and administrators, and was asked not to continue the swearing. He replied rather childishly that I should give him one reason apart from banning him.
He has received such reasons, although these reasons (respect for each other, politness, ...) should unquestionably be present in anyone's mind at any given point in time.

Opening this thread must make him feel very smart, I hope he is smiling about it.

We will continue to stop swearing, harrassment, disrespectful behaviour, rudeness and general impoliteness whereever we can and see it fit. I agree this is a form of censorship, but no harm is done by it but a friendly, healthy tone is achieved by it. Remember, we are not running for presidency here, we just want to enjoy ourselves and have a good time.

:xyz:

[Emperor]

Censoring, within certain boundaries, is a good thing IMO. Some of it gets out of line but hey, every place has its own rules and those are to be followed when given to obtain certain order. So if swearing is forbidden...then its forbidden. Thousands of other people obey those rules, so why can't u? ( not pointing fingers at anyone, its a general thing )

Bleeping, as seen on MTV to pick an example, during daytime, is a good thing. I mean...would u like for your 3 year old son or daughter to listen to some lyrics as they were written originally? Its ok to release the censorship some as many now, and even MTV have done after certain hours in the evening.

Some censorship however I DO find almost stupid. I have viewed a copy of Matrix Reloaded wich I belive was from the states. There is a scene where Neo stops the blade of a sword with his hand and gets injured. The camera pans up at his hand as the blood drips but it never reaches the hand so that you see the bleeding injury. But they show when Trinity get shot in the chest and the squirt of blood is shown there. IMO the hand censor was a bit dumb since the movie is 11+ here in Sweden..I thing thats equal to a PG rating in the States. I think many kids have seen worse things then a small cut in a hand so imo that was totally unessecary. They didnt however censor the mutilated face of captain Mifone in Revolutions after he is attacked by the sentinels.. THAT I would have understood being censored or the rate going up instead.

But swearing at public forums, some allow and some dont. Its a public place. We have people from very youg to elder handing around here. So certain rules MUST be made and OBEYED for people to maintain harmony. Rules aren't ALL bad...would you rather have an anarcistic state???

[Ironbuket]

IMHO the thing about swearing is that for a young person it seems normal and may not even notice they are doing it. They probably swear in conversations with their friends all the time. I think its just a matter of maturity, as you grow older you realise that other people have different views on things and just because you think its ok its not right to offend people.

About the only times I swear is in conversations with very close friends (usually to accentuate some point) or said to myself when something really bad happens (like I cut myself accidentally).

This (I believe) is how “most” “adults” use swearing in their daily lives. In contrast younger people seem to think that the more swearwords they can fit into a sentence the “cooler” they are, much the same as doodspeak works.

Younger people also have an inbuilt drive to “rage against the system” and so this kind of situation is very common.

Another situation where you might see people swearing (apparently) too much is when English is someones second language. They have maybe learnt some swear words without really understanding their meaning or the degree to which they are offensive and use them in their speech without realising how they sound to native English listeners. I believe this is quite common amongst Koreans who will tag on English swearwords to the start and end of sentences for apparently no reason at all.

Anyway… I say YES to censorship

And, anyone that argues with a forum mod in this way obviously hasn’t done it before. Forum mods are the gods of this little world and although I am not one for kissing their ass all the time (as many do), I am aware that annoying and trying to turn the community against them is a very stupid thing to do if you want to carry on posting to the board.

[JHarford]

3dt has a business to run and a name to keep up , we cant have swearing and childish behavoir on these boards,. it brings their name down, if people want to act like that. do i elsewhere. noone forces them to come here. censorship is a good thing.

[Daniel]

I agree with cencorship, people who needs to swear all the time to me are lacking class and are overcompensating for something that's missing in there life, or maybe there pants? this board already has a bad word filter so that works fine.

[JHarford]

lol danilel
2pacs music should be censored.

[Gflargh!]

Well I do have to agree that we are in a situation where some censorship is necessary, for the time being. I understand why some consider it acceptable. But I just feel it shouldn't have to be required.

Moderators are good as guides but they shouldn't have to waste their time cleaning up people’s posts (I am sure they agree). This only teaches people that they can say and do whatever they want and won't have to worry about the consequences, because someone will always take care of their actions if they happen to cross a line of what's considered acceptable behaviour.

It should preferably be up to the forum members to let people know when their language is not appreciated. Then maybe those who need to will learn to be courteous towards others. There are probably very few people who come here and register just to be able to **** people off.

A good start would be to have individual curse-word filters so everyone is free to say whatever they want and every individual is free to choose whether it will be displayed or not. That way you would not be censored, but to be sure to reach as many as possible with your message you are best to use a more courteous approach.

Words have no inherent meaning; it is given to them by those who use them and those who hear them. Therefore words ability to cause emotional responses in fellow human beings is a construction of society, not language. It lies in the intent of the user, not in the word itself. Offending people by using language is a choice available to everyone and thus also a certain amount of responsibility. This choice exists whether there are special words for it or not. Bleeping on TV removes the word but can never cover up the intent of the person using it. Therefore it fills no valuable function and solves no problems.

Where I come from curse-words are not censored on TV. They appear every now and then but not nearly as much as on say MTV (which is censored). Few people really care and our curse-words have very little meaning in comparison to the English ones and they sound more stupid than offensive. I believe English curse-words have been given an over inflated meaning which serves little or no purpose; they are after all only words.

A little tolerance towards foul language should be expected from everyone as well as responsibility, no exceptions. It exists in this world and is, quite frankly, not as big a problem as most people make of it. So everyone must learn to accept and deal with it in their own way.

As for children hearing these things on TV. Most children are more intelligent than their parents (intelligence decreases by age) they know very well what words are being censored (I sure know I did). This will not hurt them but remember grown-ups are the ones who teach them to be offended.

Don’t hide the world from your children as they are the ones who can make it a better place.

[john silver]

"I can say what I want to even if I am not serious." Maynard


-"Most children are more intelligent than their parents" (intelligence decreases by age) quote GHDHHJF!! ???

People are stupid, especially young people. Thats why old people are smarter, they've seen it before. As far as not hiding the evils of world from kids, you are not going to make the world a better place by showing immature kids bad movies or songs. They too dumb to know that the world is lie.

to chris 3dt: you really don't like me do you. Did I catch a hint of sarcasm "Opening this thread must make him feel very smart, I hope he is smiling about it."? I opened this thread to get peoples thoughts on the issue. I have been getting a lot of flak for the kind language I use from everyone(in my everyday life too) and I wanted to see what peoples thoughts were on the issue. You see I want to know what people's opinions were, not what authoritys opinion is. I know what authoritys position is, I want to know what peers is.

[Fusion]

hmm......time for an consor update.

ok, obviously censors have destinct advantages. Advantages such as prevent ------->"underage" <----- children from being exposed to the truth. And I put that in quotes because who judges who is underage? And that is why I think its bs, garbage etc etc. I encourage consors to the young audience because right now we don't have control over it. If parents would look after their children proberly then we wouldn't need censors. I blame the parents 100% for childrens behavior. Why even have censors? well its there to prevent actions that the society is against. So if parents would spend time, talk, and discuss serious things with their daughter/son then we'd be free to get rid of censors.

And what about deciding who is "underage"? If I was 12 and wanted to get into an under 13 movie, I wouldnt be able. Does 1 year really make a difference? I understand they have to make a mark somewhere but thats a little unfair isn't it. heh, then again life is unfair.

Ever hear that story on how these kids went on a shooting spree in a school? and they blamed it on GTA:3. They blamed it on the game because......well......they're morons........but what im trying to say is if they're parents talked to them about right and wrong at a young age then none of this would happen. I guarentee their parents neglected them and they took matters and thoughts into their own hands.

Anyway, im glad we have responsable moderators that think about the younger audience to show them whats wrong. At least someone is acting like a responsible parent. Its a funny thing though, forums.3dtotal.com is a huge community of many MANY cultures. So saying a "bad" word would exactly considered wrong in some parts of the world.....guess threedy is drawing a line in within the culture of........wait were is this site located?

eh, I better save my words because Im going to have to write an essay on this soon cause part of what we're learning in school is dealing with censorship. Ill post another one of my 3 min sketches to show my feeling towords rats like the ones who blamed their actions on gta3.

[john silver]

U.K.

[Ironbuket]

The domain is registered in the US and is physically hosted in the US, although I cant tell you exactly where.

http://www.digitalpoint.com/tools/website-country/?ip=forums.3dtotal.com

[john silver]

really? I thought the top dogs of threedy were from U.K.

[-En-]

John Silver:
People are stupid, especially young people.

You're young too silver. Maybe you should be nice to the people that host forums like this so people like us can use them at no personal cost. And I agree with Chris, I know you and I'm sure you felt very satisfied when you posted this thread. But I think that the bigger issue is not that you cuss, but that the cussing is meanspirited and directed at other people. And you're lucky, most forums would have banned you long ago, these guys are being NICE.

As for the general idea of censorship, I seem to agree with most you guys. I think the Govt. should have little or no part in it. However, a private institution (i.e. Television, Music, Film, Threedy) sould be able to censor whatever it wants to.

[Daniel]

as for people giving you flak for cursing, maybe it's a hint that you should act with more class. Always cursing shows true ignorance and that you weren't well brought up. You want to insult someone? Use intellect.

And as for you saying Chris doesn't like you, I can't speak for him. But me personally I've seen you give mean comments on people's work repeteadly and I find that pretty shallow. I don't believe in putting people down.

[Fizzy]

Well I came across this thread when it first opened and I thought it would have more meat to it. Instead it's just do you think censorship is bad tick one of the following yes/no. Censorship is a huge huge multifacited issue that you can never simply label good or bad. Should curse words be banned from television, well not in all cases. Words are words and contain the power we construct in them.

I just read that one of my personal favourite television shows (Trailer Park Boys) is now being shipped to the US but they had to bleep out all the curse words. Let me tell you, if you aren't from Canada, that there will be a heck of a lot of bleeps. The reasoning behind this is that there is a huge political movement underway south of the border and by not bleeping they risk the show not being aired. The show needs to treat the audience like a sensitive child through no fault of the audience.

Also, The Daily Show did a great bit about this. They made a bunch of funny decals and would say "I can't call someone a 'donkey plus a hole' or I can't say "f+duck-d." And the reasons behind this were because U2 said fookin' during a Golden Globe award ceremony in 2001.

As for this forum if you treat others with respect you'll have nothing to worry about. You have to realize that this is a public space where you aren't joking around with your best friends so you can't call people f-ing a-holes even if it's meant light heartedly.

Yes censorship gets caught up in freedom of speech issues, but you can't go saying whatever you want because society as a whole won't allow it. There are certain unwritten rules that exist and will always exist - the specifics may change but unwritten rules will remain. Is stopping white supremicists from demonstrating a form of censorship? - sure, but it's also socially responsible. They have the right to say what they want, but we as a whole don't need to allow them to have the space.

I think by tying up the debate in silly little social debates is what's hurting us more than censoring curse words. By constantly bombarding us with stories about censoring video games and curse words we are blinded from the larger debate that isn't being recognized.

[Ironbuket]

You are going to be disapointed in a thread which is really just an excuse to have a dig at Chris-3DT. I think a lot of people realise this and so arent really bothering to give john any more fuel for his fire.

[john silver]

No one stops white supremicists from demonstrating. They demonstrate all the time. No one listens, but they still speak out. If you don't let people speak thier mind then nothing would change. Perhaps even racism will eventualy lead to reason or understanding someday. Even if what someone is saying now is stupid and absurd, ten years from now it might be seen as genius. Now, I'm not saying that racism is genius, or that cursing is genius but what I am saying is that sqaushing the messages of socially unacceptable is wrong, and immoral.

[Sessy]

John, people like you are going to start the next war.

[Zergling]

I'm about to speak my mind. Brace yourselves...

Really, it won't be that bad.

Let's consider the words. To me, exposing a 10-15 year old to the F word is worse than exposing a 1-9 year old to the word. By the time a person has reached age 10, he understands the signifigance of the word, and uses it expertly to insult folks (well, I did at least). When a child is exposed to the word, it's just another word. Just another word that doesn't really mean anything. Thus when the child uses the word, he/she is corrected, and gains respect for the word.

Now, there are boards (I visit some of them) that wouldn't dream of censoring the F word and all, because some people can only put emphasis on a statement with dirty words. For example, the sentence: "That really hurt" sounds more emphatic as "F*** that hurt." However, an intelligent person with enough time to think would say: "That feels as though my entire finger were being crushed by a large elephant who has just been molested by fire ants." This does not take the meaning of the F word away. The very reason the second sentence is powerful is because the word has a dirty meaning.

However, the sentence "F*** that hurt" is not insulting anyone. Some people only have a problem with the F word (or any other dirty word) if it's insulting. Well, I have a problem with the F word in any context, because if a youngin is exposed to the word, eventually he's gonna ask his folks: "Mommy, what does F*** mean?" And that's no fun for anyone is it? The kid gets punished for using the word, and probably doesn't even get told the meaning of the word, thus he's still curious... Plus he has a sore butt.

I think consorship as a whole is good, as long as it is desired. If I want to watch a gore flick, I don't want all the gore cut out. If I want to watch "Snatch," I want all the dirty words in there, cuz that's what makes it funny.

The F word and other words are primitive ways of abusing the English language to insult someone or make a point without extensive knowledge of mastery of the English language, i.e., a small vocabulary...

Anyhoo, that's my peice ... whoo, that's a long post. sorry. heh. :roll:

[Sessy]

I also much enjoyed From Dusk Till Dawn, and occasionally, I use harsh words as well, but there is no reason that we should turn these forums into such a place. Not to mention a lot of the people on these forums are religious, or otherwise offended by such words. Keep this place clean from trash.

[Zergling]

Not to mention all the 13 year olds running around here :p

I don't mind visiting forums without censoring. I enjoy throwing a string of cusswords cleverly arranged out now and then ... but it's always refreshing to come here and hang out in a place where nobody uses bad words or tries to put anyone down (usually).

[Andy_k-3DT]

I agree with many of the points made so far, in an ideal world censorship would not be neccessary as everyone would consider how other people would react when they read their words.

There are enough words in the English language to express your emotions and anyone with a reasonable vocabulary can manage to communicate without the use of swear words. This is certainly true of the written word where you normally take longer to express your thoughts rather than in conversation where everything is spur of the moment.

Is censorship wrong? Yes, morally I think it is but without it we would have to trust every individual to be their own moral guardian and censor. Sadly, many people aren't capable of performing this task adequately and rely on others to do the job for them.

Swearing isn't big or clever and the filters on the forums will pick up most of the bad language, well, if it is written in English anyway. Swearing in a foreign language to deliverately beat the filters isn't smart and it's not the kind of responsible behaviour everyone is advocating, in fact it's childish and whilst we have to deal with children, then sadly we will be forced to continue censoring their "contributions" and dealing with the ensuing tantrums.

Andy

[Zergling]

Originally posted by Andy_k-3DT
Sadly, many people aren't capable of performing this task adequately and rely on others to do the job for them.

Exactly.

[Halo Crusader]

you know... I am not a firm believer in censorship. Like the Janet Jackson thing at the Super Bowl was cool. Whats the big deal. I didn't mind. "-En-" how dare you imply that "John Silver" is stupid.
You must not be a follower of Halo to have said that. Master Chief himself would have slapped you for your comment. They should have "Threedy" on X-Box Live. Am I right or am I right?

[Chris-3DT]

After having seen the insides of a man's behind on an photo that was probably ripped from rotten.com or a website with simolar fruitless content, I have to think that those who register here to post nothing but this should better stick their head in the very same behind than bothering us with petty nonsense like that.

you are not funny you are just making a behind out of yourselves.

Thread closed until you have grown up.

[Jenn]

reply edited by Jenn-3DT