I am god i can answer all your thoughts

[Downup]

Ask me and i will answer it.







Exemple Why is the sky blue?

[il_paulio]

Coz blue light is scattered more than other colors of light through oxygen and nitrogen molecules. That's why we see a blue sky. Now my question coz u r god. :D

Why do humans **** up mother Earth??

[Downup]

Originally posted by il_paulio

Why do humans **** up mother Earth??

Becouse ppl this days dont realy care about the mother earth. U can go to any school this day and u will see alot crap on the ground. If u would travel back in time. whould everything be clean.

[il_paulio]

What's the meaning of life?

[Ironbuket]

Q: Why during a high tide is there not only a high tide on the side of the earth facing the moon (as to be expected), but also a high tide on the opposite side of the earth to the moon as well?

[MonteCristo]

Q: One of my ancestors was a highwayman, what was his name? Where was he executed? And how? 0_o

[RickStefani]

How much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?

[invert]

Originally posted by RickStefani
How much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood? ROTFLOL...OMG.....thats a good one mate...lol

Q. which leg did I rip my acl in and when did it happen?

[Downup]

Originally posted by Ironbuket
Q: Why during a high tide is there not only a high tide on the side of the earth facing the moon (as to be expected), but also a high tide on the opposite side of the earth to the moon as well?

Moon is not only the source to that.

[Downup]

Originally posted by MonteCristo-3DT
Q: One of my ancestors was a highwayman, what was his name? Where was he executed? And how? 0_o

Did u know that god is old.. Bad memory :halo:

[Downup]

Originally posted by RickStefani
How much wood could a wood chuck chuck if a wood chuck could chuck wood?

It depend on what weather it is

[Downup]

Originally posted by il_paulio
What's the meaning of life?

U will find out that later in your life

[Downup]

Originally posted by invert
ROTFLOL...OMG.....thats a good one mate...lol

Q. which leg did I rip my acl in and when did it happen?

If u stand on the left side will it be right. If you stand on the right side will it be right. And if u stand on your head will it be right.

The accident happend for 2Years ago when u was outside with ur bike

[invert]

Originally posted by IDownupI
If u stand on the left side will it be right. If you stand on the right side will it be right. And if u stand on your head will it be right.

The accident happend for 2Years ago when u was outside with ur bike close but no cigar. it was around 2 years ago but it wasnt riding a bike and its the left leg...lol not the right....thank god I dont belive in god.......rotflol

[A*HOSNY]

Originally posted by IDownupI
___________________
- - - L I F E - -- - D E A T H - - - N E X T ?
everybody.. Lissen.. Everybody... lets get naked.. Everybody


Resurrection- - -The day of judgment - - - And punished for what you said and did
:grr:

[instinct]

how does a dog with no nose smell? :D






sorry

[lilCara]

why do men have nipples?

:D

[Ironbuket]

Originally posted by IDownupI
Moon is not only the source to that.

Yea whats the other source then? We only had 1 moon the last time I looked, or is there a 2nd invisible one?

PS: I actually know one explanation for it, but the physics is really weird. So I was looking for a better one. Care to try again?

[il_paulio]

Man downup ur a ****ty god ;) i do not like ur answers :P okay another one mmmm......

R there planets nearby with intelligent life??

[Downup]

Ahhh this is crazy.

All the answers is in my latest book


Bible v2.0

[novoAlias]

haha i think we out questioned god, downup will you answer our prayers?

[Ironbuket]

God didnt write the bible, people did

The bible is a book about god, not written by god...

Do you even know anything about religion? God cant come on here and offer to answer our questions, because it would be proof that he exists and part of religion is that you must have faith. If you just know, then theres no need for faith, and how is he supposed to pick who goes into heaven or not. It would be chaos or not ...hmm

Everyone in the world would all be super nice to each other in an attempt to suck up to God. Man, what a bad place that would be with no crime, no killing, no wars. God moves in mysterious ways my ass. All he would have to do is appear, say “Play nice and you will get in heaven” and the world would be a Utopia, but he doesn’t so he is either a sick twisted tyrant that enjoys watching people suffer or doesn’t exits.

Anyway God is a woman

[Downup]

lol. God owns a bookstore here in sweden

Is even god a person? is/was he even made of flesh?


In futurama is god a thing in space :P

[ronrn]

he said he would answer your thoughts & questions, he said nothing about getting them right.:)

[Chris-3DT]

Originally posted by Ironbuket
God didnt write the bible, people did

The bible is a book about god, not written by god...


That is true but it is not what the Christians say about the first part (the Pentateuch) of it. Christians believe that God is directly quoted.


However, I'm an atheist.

[Drizzt]

Originally posted by il_paulio
What's the meaning of life?

The meaning of life is to die.

[A*HOSNY]

ok guys
If your Christianity leads you to be atheist
so listen what god said about you before making fun from
him cause he is not an old fashion
who is god?
112: 1. In the name of ALLAH, the Gracious, the Merciful.
112: 2. Say `He is ALLAH, the One !
112: 3. ALLAH the Independent and Besought of all.
112: 4. `HE begets not, nor, is HE begotten,
112: 5. And there is none like unto HIM. (Koran:112)

Q:what is the meaning of this life?
A:Lets go back by time and listen to the story from the one who know it all
God(Allah)he say it all from koran
In past before God create the first human Adam from Dust
there was jinn's living and worship God he create them to
worship him,there was a Good one of the jinn's called
(Ebles)he was the best one of them who worship God so as a reward for
him God make him from the near to him and among the Angels
but he still a jinn,So when God decided to create Adam and
make him worship him,God command all the Angels to genuflect to Adam
But (Ebles) refuse to do so and he said when good ask him -and
he know without asking him-why you did not genuflect to Adam
he answer why shall i genuflect for what you create from clay
and i'm better that him cause you create me from Fire
so God command him to get out side and that he is curse from God
But (Ebles)in that moment hate Adam the most and he ask
God to give him the ability to control Adam and to give him the power over
Adam and all of his kind to proved to him(God) that he is better
that Adam ,So God tell him that he will give him the chance for a period of
time then God will Burn him in Fire for what he did and
what he will do to all of the human kind so its a deal until
the day of judgment come which No one know it even (Ebles)
No one Except God
So this how its start
After this event end god create Eve from Adam
and from here you will find the story close to what the christens said
with a deference that the christens say that the Snake
was the one responsible for what Adam did when he eat from the Tree
not (Ebles)and God say (Ebles) is the one who did it,so
choose witch one can do it a Small stupid reptile not even
an animal or a jinn !
so after Adam tricked by (Ebles)he ask God to forgive him
for what he did and God accept his apologize but
God tell him that he will send him down to Earth for a period
of time no one know it except God and he will send guidance
for the humanity to lighten them by prophets so any one follow
the prophets he will win to get back for his original place witch
is heaven and any one will follow (Ebles)that can control human thoughts
without you feel will be punished for being atheist and go
to hell but which one (Ebles)have musch power over him!?
of course the one that did not listen to the prophets
So that is the test for all the humanity
until the day is come
Prophet Mohammed (peace be upon him)come to confirm
what all the prophets come to say like Mosa and Jesus
and he is the last prophet,so God save his massage cause
he is the last prophet that God will send to the humanity to warn them
from (Ebles)prophet Mohammed (PBUH) lived and die from 1400 year
so all of this story that Christians's and the jew's refuse to
accept it are from God and prophet Mohammed (PBUH) have a lot of miracle
and have a book revealed to him from god which is the Koran
read it if you want to know more about God
Buy it it is cheap in price riche in meaning
the translated version of it here in english
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/1590080165/qid=1083197926/sr=1-9/ref=sr_1_9/002-2561839-6774432?v=glance&s=books
Finally this is what i read in koran and i'm telling you it in a harry
so please read it i'm not going to be wealthy from you i just want to deliver
you the massage i have read
read it you are not going to lose any thing,who knows may be Muslims
are right and in his case

In the name of ALLAH, the Gracious, the Merciful.
3: 86. And whoso seeks a religion other than Islam, it shall not be accepted of him, and in the Hereafter he shall be among the losers.
3: 87. How shall ALLAH guide a people who have disbelieved after believing and who had borne witness that the messenger was true and to whom clear proofs had come ? And ALLAH guides not the wrong doing people.
3: 88. As for such - their reward is that on them shall be the curse of ALLAH and of angels and of men, all together.

I Hope you all read that and understand me very good
Peace to you all
Bye

[Jason-Lavoie]

LOL - why is tge sky blue?
- cause the grass is green...

IT MAKES SENSE PEOPLE!

[Chris-3DT]

A*Hosny,

trying to preach the bible (the koran or any other religious text) to an atheist will not achieve anything but a smile from our side.

We know that all these works have been set up by men to rule over men. Religion is a form of governing over a people (or a group) by frightening them (satan, hell, etc. are concepts to scare ppl) very much like the state does it.
If you swear at a policeman you will have to pay a fine. If you swear at the priest (the policeman of church) you will be damned to go to hell.
Essentially this is just the same. There is no other reason for chruch or religion that for the ppl to be made controlable.

Now civilisation has lived under chruch so long that religion is seen as something normal and it is usually not questioned or doubted that the church is for the best.
I do agree that christian church offers a range of mostly free services that are very valuable to the society (kindergardens, counceling, etc.)

I predict that in 100 years (maybe less)) there will be little room for the church in Europe. The general interest in it has lessened because everyone is getting richer and more secure. The safer you fel the less you have to beg to an imagined god to save you. It is interesting that in the former European colonies religion is far more important. But it is easy to explain that: extreme poverty, diseases and criminality cause fear, which ppl try to cope with by praying to someone. The same is true for the near and middle east (ie the moslems).

[Ironbuket]

It is interesting that in the former European colonies religion is far more important. But it is easy to explain that: extreme poverty, diseases and criminality cause fear, which ppl try to cope with by praying to someone. The same is true for the near and middle east (ie the moslems).
Well the middle east is a such a different situation, that I dont even think you can compare it to Europe. If you dont go to church in Europe nobody cares, if you dont in some middle east countries your neighbours might kill you. Infact more likely your own family will kill you. Under such conditions its not surprising everyone is so religious :p

[Chris-3DT]

again we see how fear is the key to religion ;)

[novoAlias]

go the agnostics :)

[MDX]

I have no idea of how relevant this is, but anywayz, here goes...

I may or may not believe in god or some similiar "deity", but I most deffinately don't believe in the church. I know a christian who doesn't goto church, but is religious. But anyway, as for my beliefs, I don't know where my heart lies yet for those. I did goto church once my beliefs started to change after I fainted in church once... But anyway, I've read alot about different religions, and a lot of them appear to be VERY similar, yet different. I don't believe in one true religion, I believe that what is true in your heart is true for you. Nobody is the same.

And not all religions use fear. Budda, some pagan religions. Prolly some others I can't think of...

Here is a lil fact for you all. Did you know that the swastica(sp) (that symbol used on the Nazi flag), is also a Hindu symbol meaning Good Fortune. Another point... theres many similar symbols in religions. Another example, the pentragram. same shape as a five pointed star.

*shuts up*

[Ironbuket]

Agnostics are just too chicken to go the whole way incase they find out they are wrong. I say this from personal experience, as although I went to a church school until my teens, I spent most of the time trying to get up the courage to go completely atheist. When you are ickle, potentially getting on the bad side of some higher being doesn’t seem such a good idea.

If I was God I would be just as pissed at the agnostics as the atheists, so grow some balls and pick one side or the other :D

My 2¢

[A*HOSNY]

Originally posted by Chris-3DT

The general interest in it has lessened because everyone is getting richer and more secure. The safer you fel the less you have to beg to an imagined god to save you. It is interesting that in the former European colonies religion is far more important. But it is easy to explain that: extreme poverty, diseases and criminality cause fear, which ppl try to cope with by praying to someone. The same is true for the near and middle east (ie the moslems).

Man you touch the wound it's the point thats what i was going to say but in the other way round
yes the more you feel that you are so smart the more you forgot what was you from 20 or 30 year you was nothing not in this world
so whats happend if you think that you are smart than the religion people i tell you no you are wrong
because ther was people like you from 1000 of years who think like you and said the same like you millions of humman said like what you said but the question is where are thouse poeple know?
are the alive or dead?
its the test that i told you about your day of jugement come when you die
listen man if you think that you are smarter than Jesus and Mohamed and you think that you they where a liars
so lets find out who lose and who win
What Jesus gain when he die?Money,Fame,preety woman,childern
what no thing so its not like what you said that they write the book to conrol men no
and ask a bout them all all the prophets did they was good or bad,unfair or fair
look how they affect the world after they die and look what you will do after you die
a faulse prophet could not affect the world after he die a man speak from himself can not affect the world look how much muslims around the world and see how prophet Mohamad (PBUH) affect them for more than 1400 year until now
think about it again man be honest with yourself it's not any easy thing to leave it its the eternity life whether heven or hell
do not you think that there must be some thing wrong with you
you may smile but i can asure you that you are not satisfied about your idea of a world without God!

and about Agnostics do not belong to moslims
i for myself a moslem go to mosqe to pray 5 time in the day without any one ask me to do so no one hit me no one punesh me no thing and my familey no one of them go to mosqe with me
so what are you saying about that Agnostics ok:roll:

anther thing Agnostics have no conection bettwen it and being relegion cause Christianity and Islam make once a great civilization read the history and with that they was praying and worshiping God
and on the other hand there was a atheist suffering but do not ask God so its not what you are saying

Tell me please guys where are you going after you die?
And please tell me why we all born in tha same way and leave the same life?and why every thing in this world looks neat and
identical why?why every day the sun rise from the east and got to the west i'm not talking about the system it self i'm talking about it dose it have mind to think like human?No
so one control it otherwise you can find it this year here and that year there?guys look take a look around think and think and think
theremust be some kind of syestem control us but we can not see it what is that system ?
GOD the Great

[Ironbuket]

God is a way to explain the unexplainable. The more we “learn” as a race the less we need him.

You think all that scientific book burning stuff by the church was because they were stupid? Nope, they knew exactly what they were doing. The smarter people got, the less power the church would have over them. Sure there were people who both pursued religion and science at the same time. That’s what the Inquisition was for :p

[Chris-3DT]

i was born by my mother, how that works is taught in the first grades at school, I should imagine that everyone here knows how it works. When I have died, I am gone. Simle as that.
The energy, of course, that makes my muscles move and works my brain will not be lost, since energy is eternal (as far as we know), it just changes it's form of appearance. My body will be turned to wormfood (provided my corpse will be buried, which i don't really worry about now, since it is something that either my family or the state will take care off).

I won't go to hell nor will I go to anywhere else.

Jesus was, without a slightest doubt - a great philosopher, but he was not sent by god or any allmighty entity of whatever likeness.

[john silver]

you can't be a good teacher or great philosopher and say " I am God. I am the only way to God. Trust in me and only me." That's bull****, he's insane or he's God. There is no other way. Also as far as Atheism goes, you may be a monkey Chris but I am certainly not.

[Chris-3DT]

Isn't that very arrogant of you, John Silver, to think that all scientists researching evolution were wrong?

On a sidenote, I find church impressive. While religon (spirituality you name it) in general was essential for the survival of mankind, the churches managed to hold control of a certain part of man for more than 2000 years! Gotta admit that I have not heard of any other dictator who managed to rule that long...

[john silver]

Yes, pretty much, the big bang, Evolution and all that is bull**** as far as am concerned. Lies.

The big bang doesn't even make sense. You need something that does not have a beginning or end, like God.

[Chris-3DT]

Why do you need that? Because otherwise you feel that life is without a goal? Welcome to life, boy, there is no sense in life other than one that you give yourself.

Should I mention how obvious it is that you prefer Holden over Rodion - you should stop the swearing, grow up and learn to argue/discuss properly.

[john silver]

That which I need, I assume you are refering to God.
Yes I need God, can't do anything without him. Without God there would be nothing. Okay here's the sense which I have given myself: Jesus is the way.

Why would you say I like Holden over Rask?

[MDX]

Did you know that Christmas originated in Ancient Egypt about 4 thousand years ago. It started as a celebration of the rebirth of Horus (the Sun god). Because the Egyptions honoured Horus with a twelve month calender, the festivale lasted 12 days with each day symbolising one month. Then the Babylonians got in on the act.

Unlike Pagan religions, Christainity was based upon the workings of their man-god, Jesus and his death & ressurrection. They had never had much concern for his birth.

Theres some other things I could quote, but I'm not going to bother right now. I'm not going to continue with this as I don't want to start an argument, I just want to point out that "we not only have common ground that draws us together as a people".

Religions share common ideals, yet are different aswell... Well, most, except satanism. I believe than any religion which does not harm another or oneself, is a good religion.


Ever watched Babylon 5?? I kind of like the Minbari belief system... prolly got a similar religion on this planet somewhere tho...

[Ironbuket]

Did you know that Christmas originated in Ancient Egypt about 4 thousand years ago. It started as a celebration of the rebirth of Horus (the Sun god). Because the Egyptions honoured Horus with a twelve month calender, the festivale lasted 12 days with each day symbolising one month. Then the Babylonians got in on the act.
You got any links to evidence about that, as it seems so absurd to me I am not even willing to use my own time checking it.

Theres an abstraction which needs to be made between the date of Christmas and the event of Christmas. Everyone knows that the modern Christmas was invented by Sears :D

BTW, I honestly believe in the theory that Jesus was just a terrosist. The only people keeping accurate records around the time of Jesus was the Roman army. If you do some research you can clue together things and you get a very different view to whats said in the bible. Im sorry, but I hold more trust in the Romans keeping good records than some guy writing down an account of what happened that he saw in visions after Jesus was already dead.

[Zergling]

Man, you all got it wrong. But oh well, i'm not going to try to make you see it the correct way...

Let's get back to Downup's claim of being a deity...

Downup, if you're god, turn my computer into a woman :D

[Downup]

Originally posted by Zergling
Man, you all got it wrong. But oh well, i'm not going to try to make you see it the correct way...

Let's get back to Downup's claim of being a deity...

Downup, if you're god, turn my computer into a woman :D

Okey but first.. i want to warn u

http://www.joe-ks.com/archives_jun2001/CompuGirl.jpg

[il_paulio]

Why does everybody have to go into a religion discussion all of the sudden :S go start a thread about it dont bother in here. Or flame eachother on msn or irc. I think downup meant this thread as one of his many jokes ( u go downup ;)). So ask him questions dont go into religion. That's called offtopic!

now to get ontopic again!

God, why r all my channels offline on my telly? is it that i didn't pay my bill? or did our dutch astronaut hit a satellite with his sojoez (<- do u spell it like that :D). Prolly the last but gimme an answer god :) please

[invert]

Originally posted by john silver
Yes, pretty much, the big bang, Evolution and all that is bull**** as far as am concerned. Lies.

The big bang doesn't even make sense. You need something that does not have a beginning or end, like God. Well I say belive what you wanna belive, just dont go pushing your views on me. Ill stick to my belifs that Jesus was nothing more then a normal person. How can people say the christia bible is the one true spoken word of god when its a copy of other religions before christianity happened. There were alot more religions before christianity so I wouldnt be worshipping it.

How can you say the big bang and evolution is a lie? You have no proof to say that it isnt true. and dont try twisting the story saying well dont say "God" is a lie because you dont have any proof of that either...well let me tell you something boy. there is more proof of the big bang and evolution then there is of "God".

Im gonna stop right here because I dont want people to stress their beliefs on me and I dont want to either.

[A*HOSNY]

Originally posted by Chris-3DT

My body will be turned to wormfood (provided my corpse will be buried, which i don't really worry about now, since it is something that either my family or the state will take care off).
I won't go to hell nor will I go to anywhere else.


ok this is your body
But tell me a littel about your soul or you do not bleive that you have one!

where did it go when you sleep whats happend to you and how you wake up -not by alarm- i mean without any thing ?
where it go when you die???
vanished also like your body ?impressive:roll:

By the way i agree with you that jesuse is not God
he was a prophet God send him to Earth like alot of other prophets that God send them Mosa,Mohamed,juna,david,etc.....
but when the jew try to kill him with the help of the roman soliders god save him in a mirical way so his flower did not understand that and start to write books -the Bible- be cause they love him to the limit that some of them said he was God
and after his disappearance by mirical they differ and some say he was god and some say he was the son of god etc....
So God send Prophet Mohamed (BPUH) by the truth to solve the problem
he did not say worship me nor jesus not any one of the true prophets:)

[Ironbuket]

Whats the difference between you saying there are souls and me saying theres an invisible monkey that sits on your shoulder your whole life?
You cant see it you cant touch it, theres no way to detect its there, but Im telling you there really is an invisible monkey on your shoulder and when you die he goes to heaven!

Maybe thousands of years from now people will be reading Harry Potter and think he was some profit sent from god.

[MDX]

Every religion has their own version of the winter holidays, jews have hanukkah. Christmas is a celebration of light and warmth. And the Romans also celebrated it, but they called it "Saturnalia". Like most things, the winter holidays evolved over time.

And I always thought that jesus was the son of god, not god himself... ohwell, I never really payed attention in any lessons at school...

And theres also the point that some ppl think Jesus might not of been born during the winter months, as the nights there are harsh, the sheppards would be tucked up in bed. At least, thats what I've heard.

---

And I do have a question. Is there anything original in this world anymore?? :)

[Chris-3DT]

couple of thoughts:

a) on christmas and the foundation of christianity

many, many years ago the romans adopted a religious cult from persia (today's iran). The persians were worshipping Mithra, a sun-god.
the romans re-named the god to Mithras and implemented them into their own religion. Mithras high holiday was the 24th (later the 25th) of december (the calender changed to some extent, shifting by one day). I assume they worshiped him most in the dark, praying for his return.
They built a high temple for this new god, Mithras, on the hill that is now called the Vatican. Their high priest was named pater, nowadays known as the pope. Do note that the hat this pope is wearing is refered to as the mitra.

the christians later adopted this roman/persian cult. why? because it would be impossible for them to chage everything and build up a religion from scratch - the people just wouldn't have it.

when you know this, you suddenly become aware of how much of a constructed piece of artificial social institution religionis.

b) concerning the soul

It is true, I don't have a soul. I have a character/personality, which founds on general human character traits in a combination with social infulences from early youth/childhood, education, social background and so on.

typical question: why would nature/evolutio ncome up with something as individual and complex as individual capability of thinking (and some even think freely, others follow religions of course)?
why? because it works! man has conquered the world, like it or not. a very succesfuly concept, don't you think?

c) on social background
have you ever wondered what you were like, were you born somewhere else? oh yes, were you born in tibet, you would believe in the one and only dallailama, were you born in japan you would believe in the respectful treating of nature (which i adivise to do anyway!), were you born in salt lake city you might beleive in mormon. Notice a pattern?
religion is a social concept introduced to individual members of a social group by its community.

why?
- because it works! when man was still afraid to die every day it was important to have something to hold on to. religion served very well.

- because a group of ppl was smart enough to come upwith something that would secure them a pleasent life.

- because in times behind us criminals could move 50 miles and nobody would know who they are, allowing them to continue their harmful lives in other places. not being afraid of the king or the people at least eternal damnation was some sort of a thread.

so much from me, i won't go into this topic any furhter. neither here nor in later posts. thanks for your time :)

[MDX]

That was another thing I read about x-mas, mirthas. But I didn't know that bit about the persians tho, but didn't want to get to indepth either.

Thanx for that Chris:).

[Ironbuket]

Hmm.. Im not so happy about that explanation. I mean its called Christ-Mas! Are you saying that these Persians were calling it that too? I doubt it...

If I start a new religion based on the profit Bob, and decide to have a celebration once a year on his birthday which happens to be Easter. I don’t think you can then come to me and tell me that the festival of Bob began 2k years ago with the resurection of Christ. Just because they are the same day doesn’t make it the origin of the celebration.

IMHO :D

[Chris-3DT]

guess i have to reply again anyway...

If you call a Porsche a Mercedes it remains a Porsche no matter how often you change the name, right?

Names are arbitrary and change throughout time.

[A*HOSNY]

Poetry
Both the Doctor and the astrologer said the dead will not be resurrected so i said wait
If you are right so i'm not gonna lose any thing and if i'm right so you are the losers:)

[Chris-3DT]

if this is your reason for worshiping god, he might not love you very much.

the idea is that you devote yourself to him, no matter what.

[Ironbuket]

If you call a Porsche a Mercedes it remains a Porsche no matter how often you change the name, right?

Names are arbitrary and change throughout time.
So the name changes, the meaning behind it changes, even the date changes, and its still the same celebration?

Urm, yea right :roll:

[john silver]

in christianity christmas is not even an important holiday. Easter is far more important then christmas. I have always understood that the Christmas is based on some German Saint putting stuff in people's shoes as presents or something. Also Chrisitanity is based on Judaism, so Chrsitianity is really neo-judaism.

quoted from invert guy:
dont go pushing your views on me

I'm not pushing my views on you, I am just telling you what I believe.

I see that Chris is trying to tie Christianity into various cults and make jesus seem like he was just man. Trying to make Christianity into a very average religion. Well here's what make's Christianity different, it's by grace that you're saved. It's all about you can't save yourself by your own works, only God can save you. It's really the easiest Religion ever. All you must do to be saved is recognize Jesus as God, and ask for forgiveness of your sins. That's it. Jesus doesn't say go to church evryweek and give 10% or you're gonna burn.

[GoatSE]

AND THIS IS WHY GOD DOES NOT EXIST:


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[Ironbuket]

I see that Chris is trying to tie Christianity into various cults and make jesus seem like he was just man. Trying to make Christianity into a very average religion. Well here's what make's Christianity different, it's by grace that you're saved. It's all about you can't save yourself by your own works, only God can save you. It's really the easiest Religion ever. All you must do to be saved is recognize Jesus as God, and ask for forgiveness of your sins. That's it. Jesus doesn't say go to church evryweek and give 10% or you're gonna burn.

Yea that’s all you have to do, unless you lived around the time of the Crusades, and you thought Bin Laden and his gang were bad?

[A*HOSNY]

No i'm not thinking that way like what the Poetry said
I think that there must be a God or this life have no meaning at all
:)

Edit
And by the way i think that any one who do not bleive by god
are not bleving by him because he is like what he is doing and enjoy it and do not want religion to to bind him
like for example to have sex or drink wine Etc...
;)

[john silver]

Dear God Goatse Strikes again!

[Chris-3DT]

Hosny, have you ever considered that it is not a choice to believe but - not unlike love - just occurs without further intention?

should i say i believe and be a liar? i think not.

now, i am not saying that christianity is average, quite the opposite, it is a quite successful religion as we all know. but we should also acknowledge where many of its assumingly unique traditions came from.

silver, the German bishop you are thinking of is calles St Nikolaus (bishop of myrrha some aeons ago), this has not much to do with x-mas. the needle tree btw is a pagan tradition, and we all know how much christians like pagans, hum?

[RickStefani]

One thing that is interesting about religon is that Jewish, Christianity and Muslim religons really came from the same area and train of thought. They just spilt off. They all really morphed over time also. Under early muslim you were not allowed to build that 3D model of a person were you? If religon works for you then I am glad. It has been a way to pull people together for a long time. It has also been a restraint toward progress as well as an excuse to kill.

I think if anything art is the religon that is pulling us all together. The passion for beautty we all share. I like this unity that we all share. It is funny how religon is supposed to unity people and bring us to be ritous under the supreme set of laws but instead it will turn friends into enemies, if you believe something deferent.

I am an athiest.

[Ironbuket]

I think all the atheists should rise up and demand their own homeland where we can pursue our beliefs without persecution :D

[john silver]

What are you talking about Ironbucket? The Crusades are far different from Bin Laden's war on the world. Bin Laden want's to set a new world order and he want's Al Qaeda to be the foundation for that new world order. The Crusades were meant to take back the holy land from the invaders and stop the muslims from getting a foothold in europe. Also i think that the catholic church is abusive and should be dissolved. It should never have become.

Nobody persecutes atheists, when have the atheists been persucuted for thier beliefs?

[Zergling]

Originally posted by Ironbuket
I think all the atheists should rise up and demand their own homeland where we can pursue our beliefs without persecution :D

Come to America. Here it's the Christians who get persecuted, but somehow even the adulterous murdering cheating wife-beating whiskey-slugging chain-smoking badarses go to Easter Sunday services... I never understood that...

And let me tell you something. Atheists trying to explain God are very funny... in moderation. This thread is turning into a display of stupidity that is quickly tiring me. I know the truth, but i'm not going to sit here and throw it in. I'm going to watch you all fight it out, get my amusement, then leave. Thing about knowing the truth, you can throw all sorts of scientific proofs that souls don't exist and that evolution is true at me and it won't disturb me..

Anyway, carry on...

[novoAlias]

ah religion, like most arguments is a case of ignoring what the other person has to say and beligerently trying to get them to see it from your view, see the problem? mostly i think we all 'know the truth' or at least our truth and seeing as its a fundamental part of us were not gonna change it coz of what some guy on the internet said...

so yea any arguments here are just proving your ideas to yourself not anyone else so if you feel inclined to abuse other peoples beliefs feel free to argue with a brick wall

[RickStefani]

Originally posted by BlackWolf
ah religion, like most arguments is a case of ignoring what the other person has to say and beligerently trying to get them to see it from your view, see the problem? mostly i think we all 'know the truth' or at least our truth and seeing as its a fundamental part of us were not gonna change it coz of what some guy on the internet said...

so yea any arguments here are just proving your ideas to yourself not anyone else so if you feel inclined to abuse other peoples beliefs feel free to argue with a brick wall

Very well said.

[Zergling]

Originally posted by BlackWolf
ah religion, like most arguments is a case of ignoring what the other person has to say and beligerently trying to get them to see it from your view, see the problem? mostly i think we all 'know the truth' or at least our truth and seeing as its a fundamental part of us were not gonna change it coz of what some guy on the internet said...

so yea any arguments here are just proving your ideas to yourself not anyone else so if you feel inclined to abuse other peoples beliefs feel free to argue with a brick wall

Agreed. Well put.

[Downup]

Ust

http://www.english.uiuc.edu/maps/poets/a_f/brown/stfu.gif

:halo:

[MDX]

Originally posted by BlackWolf
ah religion, like most arguments is a case of ignoring what the other person has to say and beligerently trying to get them to see it from your view, see the problem? mostly i think we all 'know the truth' or at least our truth and seeing as its a fundamental part of us were not gonna change it coz of what some guy on the internet said...

so yea any arguments here are just proving your ideas to yourself not anyone else so if you feel inclined to abuse other peoples beliefs feel free to argue with a brick wall

The truth is in ur heart. Or what Blackwolf just said:).

---

And IronBucket, its a celebration of light and warmth, thats the similarity between all winter holidays, but what brings the holidays about is different, for Christians, its the birth of christ. For another culture or religion, its something else.

And pagans believe in the birth-death-ressurection, Early Christians didn't really take into account the birth factor. And a fair amount of pagan religions have female deities aswell.

[Ironbuket]

One of the main differences between “believers” and atheists to me is that atheists will say why they think this way and give evidence and don’t really care about all the (in their opinion) stupid people that dedicate their life to worshiping something that doesn’t even exist. Most atheists (at least I do) know that most priests don’t even believe in the God they are preaching to you about. Priests are usually highly educated and always have been. Not so much now, but in the past being a priest got you a free good education, a job for life and time to pursue literature, science or whatever intellectual thing you were interested in. People can put up with living a lie, to get that nice standard of living in return. Still happens today: TV evangelists anyone?

Where as the “religious” types (even when they are trying to hide it) have a compulsion to try and “correct” the atheists and “save their souls” so to speak. They also have these stupid “set pieces” of “I don’t want to waste my time explaining” (when the truth is they have no explaination) or the undefeatable “it’s a matter of faith”. Believers quoting stuff out of the bible as evidence has the same effect on an atheist, as us reading you the cat in the hat to explain god would. We don’t want to be saved. Please leave us alone.

My plea for a homeland for the atheists was meant to be ironic. The only real point would be to have a country where we don’t have to keep having these stupid discussions, where as its already been mention neither side listens to the other. Infact thats wrong: The atheist do listen to the “believers”, but think they are talking total crap, and the same is true going the other way. The difference being one side is basing their belief on something with no evidence at all, and the other basing their whole opinion on evidence. Which the other side then says is incorrect evidence, often using their unsubstantiated “stories” as if its science. Thus the atheists get infuriated because of lack of scientific evidence and the “believers” get infuriated because they believe science is wrong…

In our new country, anyone that believed in god or started on about souls and “what God says” would immediately be arrested and deported. It would be paradise, and subsequently probably the country with the highest average IQ in the world :p

[Chris-3DT]

Irobuket,
I agree with all you've said apart from the deportation and arresting of ppl, which, i hope, was also meant ironic.

It is indeed quite pointless to discuss religion, I only take part in it for amusement myself. The funniest thing is that I often know the bible and the Chrstian beliefs better than those who go to church every sunday and say their prayers (which they only do when sombody else is listening because they are usually living on their wallets, not their beliefs).
This is why I can explain to them the idea of god the (catholic) christians have.

[Ironbuket]

I just realised a problem with my new country. We need to think up a way of doing weddings and funerals, hmm...

[Zergling]

Weddings: Send 'em home with a Karma Sutra (sp?) book and the numbers of a few "alternate partners"

Funerals: Grind up the body and use it for some sort of fuel.

Problem solved.

Ironbuket, I agree. Arguing for religion is pointless because there is no "scientific" fact for Christian beliefs. However, there is no scientific proof for whatever atheists believe in. There's all sorts of proofs for how evolution could have happened, but there is no proof that it did happen.

well... i'd typed out a huge argument, but it would be hypocritical to post it after what I said above, so i'll just leave it at that.

[Ironbuket]

There is proof, but you wont accept any of it, but lets not get into that again. We already had that "conversation" in a previous thread...

What I meant was that some atheists still want church weddings and want to be buried in coffins in a grave yard (after they die). If there was no church I guess there would still need to be graveyards, as its tradition. So I guess its not really breaking our own rules to have this ceremony in our country.

For the churches, I guess we will have crosses and religious symbols inside as its expected and needed to create the "traditional" atmosphere, but we will probably keep the place locked unless theres a wedding going on. You will be able to use confetti if you like, but we will make you pay to clear up the mess afterwards. You can also play whatever music you want in our church :D

[A*HOSNY]

Before you you read any thing if you do not like what i will say escape it
here is the koran i download it from islamic site i'm not quit sure about its trancletion but i check part of it i find it ok
Please read : Sura 45 AL-JATHIYAH
it talk about the Bleviers and the athiest
I'm will stop here too if there is nothing more to say;)

[A*HOSNY]

Here

[Ironbuket]

Ah but again we see the difference between the atheist and the believer. The believer reads religious texts, and so do most atheists (out of curiosity), but then their two paths divide. The atheist goes on to look at other evidence and discovers that there is other evidence that casts doubt on the accuracy of the religious text. Where as the believer refuses to, or pretends to have read the same things the atheist has, but insists that everything that contradicts his personal view of the world is wrong giving no rational reasons why

Are there lessons to learn from reading the bible? Sure. Can you become a better person by reading the bible and following its guidance? Sure. Is it almost entirely fictitious? Sure :D

You can learn things from going to sermons. The things priests preach to their flock are on the whole insightful and if you follow them, you may well improve your life. But, you can do all these things without at any point needing to actually believe in God…

[A*HOSNY]

I'm going to ask you a question Ironbuket
If there is a real God in Your opinion what would you like him do to prove for you that he is exist?

[Ironbuket]

LOL, thats a trick question

You wont find many atheists that will fall for that one :D

[A*HOSNY]

LOL
No really in not tricked you:D

[Ironbuket]

Maybe an agnostic could answer that question for you, since they believe in the possibility of a God and so can give an example of what might make them sway towards believing in him. An atheist has already decided there is no god and so its pointless for them to set some kind of test.

Besides which God will not prove he exists and so could never fulfil my test. Another reason why for me to think up such a test is futile

If God were willing to pass tests we set for him to prove to us he exists, he would be very busy and we would all have seen and spoken to him already

Next :D

[Downup]

Originally posted by A*HOSNY
I'm going to ask you a question Ironbuket
If there is a real God in Your opinion what would you like him do to prove for you that he is exist?

Walk on water..


Do you know why jesus walked on the water?.. Becouse he fooled the, .. He walked on Stones..

[Chris-3DT]

Why he walked on water? I suppose he wasn't able to swim...

[Ironbuket]

Sorting the possible from the obviously fictitious (as regards to Jesus) is surprisingly easy in the Bible. All you have to do is go through the apostles and compare them to each other. If you find the same thing in many of the accounts its likely true, or at last has some truth in there somewhere. Anything that appears in only one apostles account can pretty safely be discounted as fiction, or you should at least be very sceptical about it.

Im not going to go check, but from what I can recall the walking on water thing is one of the latter examples.

You can even find parts where apostles contradict each other over the accounts of certain events. You would think people would be a tad worried about following the doctrine of a religion based on a book that’s this inaccurate, but apparently they are not

[Zergling]

Originally posted by Ironbuket
You can even find parts where apostles contradict each other over the accounts of certain events. You would think people would be a tad worried about following the doctrine of a religion based on a book that’s this inaccurate, but apparently they are not

I would love to see one of those contradictions. I mean, i've heard about them all over the place, but no matter how hard I look, I can't find any contradictions. take a look-see and point 'em out to me, okay?

Also, I think it is essential to note the Koran (or whatever) and the Bible are two very different things. They have very little in common, and the religions that follow them are very different. Okay, that's settled.

Oh yeah. And for "AtheistCountry" (you should come up with a name... :D ) what could you use for churches...

ooo! ooo! use an arcade! That way the kids will want to go to weddings and such! weddings will be a fun-filled break-dancing occasion. That would actually be pretty cool...

Then again, it wouldn't be too great for a funeral. You'd have to use a separate building for funerals. And it would have to be cold. But there could be a refreshment bar! no, too fun for a funeral...

(please understand i'm not making fun of your idea. I haven't been to church in months because of the money-grabbing tendency of Baptists... Like you were discussing earlier... I just wanna have a little fun with this concept)

So yeah. Arcade-like place for weddings (with a ... ah ... consecration chamber in the back :D :roll: )

And a cold, dark, spooky, solemn, velvet-draped coffin-like place for funerals. That way people could film Stephen King movies in funeral homes :D

[Chris-3DT]

Wedding: You go to a state official and fill out a form - it allready works like that anyway, why something new?

Funeral: The point of the funeral is a social one. The remaining relatives need a way to get over tehir loss. It has been found that the relatives of individuals who decided to be burried anonymusly (to save their children the effort and costs) were very unhappy with this decision because they had no place to go to to "be close" to the dead.

[Ironbuket]

Wedding: You go to a state official and fill out a form - it allready works like that anyway, why something new?
Because, people who are not religious still want traditional white weddings in a real church. If you don’t believe me, just look around you. Im sure you all can find friends (or parents) who were married in a church and never went to church before or since.

In my new country we wont have any “real” priests, unless they want to do nothing but perform weddings that is. Preaching is going to be wasted on us. So we need a way to keep the “spirit” of the “traditional white wedding” without all the religious stuff. I know you can go to city hall or Vegas for that matter. But, people still want (well women do actually) to drive up to a big church in a white car and walk down the aisle with all their friends and family watching.

As for a name, ill have to think on that

[Chris-3DT]

Atheism with christian rites


that's like Christainity with Mithras-cult rites, don't you think?

[Zergling]

here's some possible suffixes to the name:

-tron
-ible
-schwartz
-BLUURG!

and so on...

You'll notice it's mostly girls who have set their hearts on a "white wedding" and will stop at nothing to spend all the money within thier grasp on one day of sitting in a hot boring church waiting for some slow-arse preacher to finished saying all this stuff about "for ever and ever" and "to have and to hold" and you can't even laugh...

You might have guessed that I had to go to a wedding not too long ago. Incredibly boring.

But girls like it somehow... So yeah. Ya gotta have a church organ, hymnals, and "Sticky Spray"* to make the pews feel the way they always do.

Of course, you can always have the Las Vegas approach as an option. Just have a neon-filled booth in the back of the "Church" ... in fact, that can double as the consecration chamber! weee!

*WANT A REALISTIC CHURCHY FEEL TO YOUR PEWS? GET STICKY SPRAY BRAND SPRAY-ON STICKINESS! THE ONLY WAY TO GET AUTHENTIC SICKLY NASTY OLD-VARNISH AND CANDY-HANDS STICKINESS!!! THE BEST, MOST PROVEN WAY TO CONVERT SILKY-SMOOTH WOOD TO THE STICKIEST MATERIAL SHORT OF SUPERGLUE!!!

[Downup]

WIll this threed go to 100?.. this most be a new record

[Chris-3DT]

didn't you say you know everything? ;)

[Downup]

Yes but i dont want to show it..

Ahh.. i can see.. i can see..about 2 3 days

will u get suprised of something




Hey dont blame me i am ust a lazy old . okey not old but lazy cow

does this even make sense?

[Chris-3DT]

i have almost godly powers - i can delete the thread befoer it reaches 100 ;)

[Downup]

Congrats.. u ust passed 1000post ;)

[novoAlias]

you post alot compared to everyone here Downup lol

[Ironbuket]

I think I have an idea for a name for my new country

Its going to be a place where people can go about their lives without having to worry about whats going to happen when they die. They can live their lives knowing this is it, this is the end, theres nothing after this. They concentrate on enjoying themselves and getting on with living and not on what may or may not happen in their next life

I think theres already a name for a place like this

Heaven :)

[novoAlias]

lol buket you can be quiet now

better yet submit your idea to the british airways complaints dept ;)

lol@ur sig, douglas adams always was good

[Chokin Hazard™]

How come theres a sequel to Final Fantasy 10??

[A*HOSNY]

It's not only 100 but 102 NoW
wich means that you know nothing at all:D

[Jake The Snake]

i liked this thread when it was just for fun now it sux!

[Chris-3DT]

Jake, it is fun :)

[A*HOSNY]

yeah i agree with Chris-3DT
i find it fun
what is your problem;)

[Jake The Snake]

ok ill rephrase they original intent of the thread changed and now it seems to have gone away from the joking manner that it started as.

[Chris-3DT]

we took a little discourse into religion, (what else did you expect to happen?) but we have now returned to that part of the thread that is purely fun, while the discourse was partially fun, partially serious.

[Downup]

WHY ALWAYS when i look at topics and forum????

[Ironbuket]

666 again...

This forum has been possessed by the devil!

[novoAlias]

wrong
its been posessed by Downup :o :)

[Chokin Hazard™]

If you are God then Answer My question.
"Why Theres A Sequel To Final Fantasy 10??!!"and "How Come They Made FF10-2 Girly??"

[Ironbuket]

Dear God, can you tell me why chokin_hazard hasnt read the part of the thread where you gave up answering the questions? :D

[Zergling]

Downup, you're on! :D

[Chan]

I am an atheist and happy about it.. I can't go to Hell after I die for being an atheist because Hell only exists to people who believe in it.. I don't so I'm home free :]

[Ironbuket]

Hell does exist, its called Detroit :D

[Zergling]

Heh. Try downtown Dallas in the middle of a summer day. Close as you can get to hell on earth.