Anyone Interested In Making RPGs?

[Kurasu]

Hi, I am currently in the process of compiling a team of develpoers to make a RPG and enter it into an indie game develpoment contest. If we win this, there is a one million dollar prize, and we get it published and 85% Royalties, if anyones interested in helping in the graphics fdor this game, I would appreciate it. I will accept anyone of any skill level. Oh, and if this all goes well, and we dont get first, I still may be able to get it published, and whoever helps will get alot of credit and fair pay. Thank you so much.

If anyone is interested, Email me at charliegilchrist@gmail.com, or contact me via AIM with the name popwar1415. Thank you all, and I hope you will consider joing my team of developers.

[Kurasu]

if anyone wants to know more about this project, I will happy to answer, just post.

[inspired]

your compiling a team now? so what kind of ppl are you still looking for right now?

[Kurasu]

well, acctually, I am looking for anyone who is interested in helping with graphics. I also need programmers, but I wasn't expecting to find that here though. I was just so impressed with the graphics here, that I was hoping to find some graphics artists.

[Kurasu]

ok you guys, I am being serious baout this, I would love for you guys to help me model, and if I can get you guys to help, we can with this, there is a one million dollar prize, and the game gets published, so, you could get a lot of money if you help us out. Plz, email charliegilchrist@gmail.com, or IM me at popwar1415 on AIM THANKS AGAIN!

[Jason-Lavoie]

You have tickled my fancy dude, could you tell me moe about this compitition. Like whats the deadline, how many per team, whats the story etc.

NEED MORE INFO, but you have got me interested, I have others that may be interested as well... (*cough POG cough*)

[inspired]

well, you ve got me interested from the start... too bad i lack the skills for modeling, scripting, programming, animating... actually i lack the skills for everything :p But i DO like RPG's and im very interested in the story :)

i played ALOT of rpgs, and wrote some scripts myself, even treid some 2d RPG (NES style) So i dont think i can be of any assistence since i lack the skills, but i AM interested in what you have in mind!

[Kurasu]

Well you guys, its the high and mighty Indie competition, they have one every year, and this year is about to end, soI am building a team for next year. If u want to join, just let me know, I dont think there is a team size limit. If we dont win this, I do know how I can get this game published so, I want to do this. So, does anyone want to join? if so, email me (charliegilchrsit@gmail.com) or IM me on AIM (popwar1415). Thanks you guys!

[Jason-Lavoie]

I tried to send you an e-mail, but for some reason, it is not working, so I guess this will be my e-mail.

My name is Jason Lavoie, and I am very interested in becoming par tof your team (Character Modeler) I think i can offer a nice style, I learn fast, and get along with people, usally making the enviroment more exciting.

I would really like to learn more about this, such as the indie Compitition (Website?) and about the RPG, what style is it, sotry line, when does it take place, etc.

So yeah, get bcak to me when you can, and really looking forward to some more news from you about the idea :)

Jason Lavoie
scooby_doo_jay@hotmail.com

[jdgill]

Sounds like fun.

Dang if I had photoshop and a scanner...I would definantely try to join as a character designer.

[Jason-Lavoie]

Kurasu, i got your e-mail, read the link, and sounds pretty cool. Star Ocean is a swet game, but I found that the battle system was a bit iffy, be cool to see what you had in mind.

Anyways, here is my temp website - http://portfolio-jay.blogspot.com/

I can't show you some of my recent models because it is for a mod, but I would suggest that you draw your attention to the "Subordinate" and "Gaurd" characters, is this the style you wer looking for?

Thanks

[jdgill]

Hey Kurasu, you definantely want Jason on your team...hes a great modeler;).

[Kurasu]

Jason, all I can say, is wow. I really like your models. I would be lucky to have you on our team. So what do you say? You want to join us?

[jdgill]

I told ya he was good:D

[Kurasu]

well jdgill, I can get you photoshop, if you really want to be a character designer

[inspired]

hey man, your email doesnt seem to work, could you mail me your email adress, so i could contact you... im quite intersested! my email is magwai@gmail.com.

Could you email me, so i could tell you what kind of things im into. Hope i can be of any assistence!

regards,

inspired

[jdgill]

The thing is I aint got a scanner;):P. Unless my friend let me use his for like the period of time I worked on this, but that won't happen...hehe. Maybe when my parents buy a scanner which will hopefuly be soon...I can help you on a future mod;).

I would gladly send sketches by mail so you can see what I can do:D. Latelly I've been working on my anatomy. If you are interested in me mailing you some of my stuff just PM me.

PS. I'm 13 so I have plenty of time to improve. Heres a link to a cartoony character I did because I was bored one day. http://forums.3dtotal.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=28228

[Jason-Lavoie]

Hey dude, thanks for the cool compliment, I would really like to join, but as stated before (2 posts i think) I need more info... please read the previous posts that tell my questions.

[Kurasu]

Well Jason, the main character's name is Kurasu (black angel in japanese). He is about 17 years old, and he lives by himself. His father was in the military. It takes place in the far future, but technology is forbidden, to an extent. You see, in about 2019 (im not sure the year yet, just a guess) the war was near apocolypse, and technology got out of control. People were fusing magic and technology together to make the ultimate weapons of mass destruction. Therefore, technology was banished. Everyone went back to how their ancestors lived, so that life could once again be peaceful. Although, there are some things that are still a little advanced. Like clothing, and there are groups of people who are still trying to bring technology back. These people, are the enemy. A war is started between Kurasu's country (Don't know names yet), and one of their rival countries. An expiriment goes wrong when they try to once again fuse magic and machine. That results in a rip in the balance of the universe, and heaven and hell merge, basically making an empire bent on destroying all existence. So, Kurasu is drafted into the army, and since he is a rebel, doesnt follow orders but ends up finding out alot about his past... thats all I know so far. Is that enough?

[Jason-Lavoie]

Thats sounds really good dude, so you haven't written the whole sotry yet?

Aslo, does this Indie compo have a site?

[Kurasu]

yeah, you can get to it from http://www.igf.com/ The most we can win is $40,000, and/or a chance to get published, we dont have to win, because all the manufactureres are there and they pick who they pblish, but we can get published. Does this mean you're in?

[Jason-Lavoie]

Defintaly interested dude, could i see some concept art (do you have any yet) like character skecthes to see what I would have to do to bring some of the characters "alive."

[Almighty_gir]

i want in... i can draw, model, and texture... just look around for some of my threads...

[Jason-Lavoie]

OH KUR... you lucky dude, you got Almighty interested!

If you can get POG to join, you will have 2 modeling kings, and noob :) (me) And we shall call us the "Modeling Trio" all for one and one for all...

[Kurasu]

Ok, wow, I am really excited about all this. I cant belive you guys are all so intersted. I am glad that my offer is appealing.
Almighty, you are in. I love your work. I can only request one thing. Would you all please email me at charliegilchrist@gmail.com with your email addresses, and (if you have one) AIM screennames. If you dont have aim, and you are interested, I would reccomend getting it, that we we can go into chat rooms and such...

[Jason-Lavoie]

Only problem si your e-mail doesn't work.... ha ha wnever i try and send stuff, says that the message wasn't delievered :(

[Kurasu]

when I gave you the email last time, it was wrong, plz try again

[Jason-Lavoie]

Oh ha ha, ok well I will give you a message tommrow k :) (10:34 pm here right now)

[Kurasu]

ok, here too, I live in georgia, redneckville

[Jason-Lavoie]

I live in Kinsgton, Ontario (Canada)

[jdgill]

Georgia...redneckville...it can't be that bad :P.....atleast it aint like my town with middleschoolers trying to act cool by being ghetto...(I'm not like that ;) ).

[Jason-Lavoie]

A friend of mine is VERY interested in joining, he is a VERY talented coder (i mean VERY talented) and I showed him your post, and he said he was interested.

His name is Togi (well his username) and he is a good guy to work with. VERY fast coder as well :) His site is - www.togison.net

[Kurasu]

That is great, I really need someone to code this thing. I am really interested, what languages does he know? Can you just give me his email, or maybe his AIM SN?

[Jason-Lavoie]

His e-mail is togi9@msn.com

I think he knows quite a bit of different comp language... i think c ++ is his thing... i think :)

I was wondering if you have any concept artists?

[Kurasu]

i have a few that are interested, but I am not sure if they are good enough, who do you have in mind?

[togi]

hi :) lemme help -_- i send email :eek:

[Jason-Lavoie]

So primative togi, god, use what the edumication system taught ya...

[jdgill]

WHat kind of RPG you aiming for? Fantasy?

[togi]

i sent a nice email jason :P forum chat != formal

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[Jason-Lavoie]

Don't you use.. java code.. or c++ or that kinda code with me (looks like java...)

Good then :)

[spindraft]

I can lend some help too if needed. Can model / texture pretty much whatever - at what level of efficiency i don't know (havn't had much to compare to)...........but my strong point would be any type of architectural elements you may need such as urban environment modelling / texturing etc. I do space planing, construction documents, arch. visualizations, etc. for a living for about 7 years.
What kind of schedule are you looking at for this thing?

[2019]

It takes place in the far future, but technology is forbidden, to an extent. You see, in about 2019.
Oh thats sweet, the same year as Blade Runner.
Well atleast you got my attention.
I'll keep an eye on the progress of this game. :dance:
Good luck.

[Kurasu]

Ok everyone, to start, yes, this will be fantasybut it will also FUTURE! Heh, and yes Togi, u can help.

[Almighty_gir]

sorry i didnt keep updated on this. anyway, email address is: mentalmanofthefuture@hotmail.com (that works for msn too)

aim name: rocknrollups (but im rarely on aim, cos i hate it so much i could kill myself)


will there be magic, or sort of... techno-magic? i like the sound of both, but ive always wanted to see some really awsome magic effects... maybe even a system where you can "charge" your weapon with magic.... *me dies after thinking of a lightning charged broadsword*

also, i have an unlimited FTP account at my disposal, thanks to a friend, although im gonna be careful how i abuse that ;) so if you have a website, or a forum where we can discuss this in more detail and in more privacy (ie. sharing concept ideas). let me know >;o

and jason, your not a n00b fool, your awsome, i love your work, and i would be proud to work with you... just remember your priorities... since this is something along the lines of semi-pro work, ud have to drop any mods your working on (i just dropped mine....).

[Jason-Lavoie]

Thanks dude, no chance though that I will be dropping EOL mod, no chance :)

I actually may not work on this anymore, I have been "hired" to work on a new game, had to sign a contract and everything, so this is probably my way of saying, i culd be out.

Sorry

[Almighty_gir]

hehe thats ok, i just wanted you to understand the seriousness of a competition like this, and it looks like you do :) youve got a good head on your shoulders mate.

anyways, im still up for this, so drop me a line sometime.

[JimboKez]

i would be really interested in joining them team as a char modeller of animation but i dont have a very high skill :( thats the only problem else i would be well up for it please get back to me.

[JimboKez]

and btw if i was to help you on this i can think of some great ideas already and i wouldn't want a cut on the prize if we were to win. please email me at jimbobkerrigan@hotmail.com i really hope ull get back to me i really want to go through with this.

[Kurasu]

well almighty_gir, I am lgad that ur intersted and I would be glad to have u join the team

[Almighty_gir]

i would be really interested in joining them team as a char modeller of animation but i dont have a very high skill :( thats the only problem else i would be well up for it please get back to me.


maybe you should try joining a mod team first? or start posting your work on the forums until you feel comfortable with people ripping your work to shreds so you'll get better... everyone has to go through it, as daunting as it is. but its the road to success :) its always good to aim high, but never use a bow thats too big ;)

[jwest04031]

hey just spotted this thread, havent had a chance to go through it yet, busy right now, but it sounds cool. i will read through later tho.

how many on your team so far? and what are they doing?

do you have any concept art?

and what is you dead line?

sorry if you've already answered these. i will read through tomorrow morning.
i'm up for modeling and texturing, if you need help there...

cheers

[Kurasu]

ok everyone, i would appreciate it if you guys should show me some of your work so that I can know everyone's skill level.My email is Charliegilchrist@gmail.com. Gir, I absolutely love your work, and I am already planning in having you join us, you are still interested, correct?

[Almighty_gir]

sure am, just get msn and we can talk, but make it quick, cos im about to go to bed >;o

[JimboKez]

i was wondering if i could be part of the team just to help give you ideas and tag along so that i can pick up tips from some of the better guys?

[Kurasu]

sure jimbo, everyone has to start somewhere...

[JimboKez]

thanks dude just add me on msn or whatever and ill be glad to hand my ideas as im very imaginitive :P

[Brodix]

Man I would love to see how this comes out. I'd ask to join but my skills are not as good as I would like to see this project be. So good luck all. I hope you post up dates

[tanmay_arun]

Hi

WELL AFTER READING ALL OF THIS !!! I THINK I MIGHT LIKE TO JOIN BUT BEFORE THAT I WANT EVERYTHING IN BLACK AND WHITE. I WOULD LIKE TO JOIN AS A MODELER OR LEVEL DESIGNER. FOR REST OF THE DETAILS MAIL ME AT tanmay.navghare@gmail.com

[Brodix]

If you guys need any help just give me a yell.

[jwest04031]

Kurasu, just wondering if you have any more info for those who would like to work on your team.
so far its a great concept, have you come up with more?
and do you have more info on a time line?
and are you planning use this thread to forward your info, or are you using msn or something?
and....
and.

sorry if i'm sounding pushy, just keen to get something started.

cheers

[JimboKez]

I think we could all do with meeting up on IRC or summat like that cause if we are really going to do this then it needs to be got off the ground I just thought this might be a good idea but its up to you and you got to bear in mind we cant really use msn with a big load of people in one conversation with a quick speed but Kurasu its up to you.

[Athey]

It sounds like you've got idea people, concept art people, and modelers, but do you have an engine, or even a plan for one?

The coders at my studio are in constant crunch time. They have to do SO much work, all the time, and we artists just lay back and make assets all day, and go home at 5pm. Most of the coders are here till late at night, and have to come in on the weekends when we're around milestone times (like we are right now - we've got a focus test next week, and all of the programmers and QA guys have been staying late, and coming in on the weekends for about a month now).

All the art people in the world can make a pretty collection of assets, but without an engine to put it all into, it doesn't do you any good.

Have you got any real plans laid out yet? Or is everything still floating up in the air?

I didn't go through the details and rules for that competition too thuroughly but I doubt that they accept games made with engines like unreal, or half-life 2 since those games are technically just 'mods'.
So if you're gonna get together some programmers to make their own engine for this game, then chances are that your texture and poly limits will be HARSH.

On that site, they had a list of the featured student games, two of them were from the school I went to (DigiPen). The one called Scavenger Hunt was made by a group of guys I knew. The guy who did all of the character modeling was in one of my classes my last year there. That game was coded by a group of 8-12 seniors who had been going to school for 5 years to get to a point where they could code an engine that didn't totally suck a$$ and they were still really limited.

I'd recommend you do some heavy research into various engine options. Years ago, me and my friends got a cheap lisence to an engine called PowerRender. You still need some programers to write events and make everything come together, but the engine itself is already in place and there's exporters and importers and terrain generators, etc. etc. Very nice. It was cheap enough for use to buy it too (legitimatly -woo, and we were poor poor college students) so you could probably do a little investing and get a copy.

If I recall correctly, if you finished up your game and actually did find a publisher you could purchase the exporting lisences for the consoles for it. I believe it could be exported to PS2 and XBox (you just had to buy them, and THOSE were expensive) Otherwise it was just for PC.

Anyways, you really need to know what kind of engine you're putting the 3d assets into before you can start building things. You have to establish a scale and you need everyone to follow it. You have to establish poly limits and texture limits, and decide what 3D package you're gonna be using, for the sake of getting everything to work together. And you need to get an exporter for whatever package your using, that will export stuff into whatever engine you're using.

I'm rooting for you, but I have seen A LOT of projects like this just fall apart because of lack of organizing. Everyone is all hung-ho in the beginning, but slowly everyone just drifts away and the whole thing just dies.

Best of luck to you. Hope you manage to take it somewhere.

[2019]

You might try OGRE3d. Engine
http://www.ogre3d.org/
It's free and it is dx9.
It's a pretty flexible engine and it can render very nice.
Check out their demos.

We're using this engine for the project where i'm in to.
We need good water rendering, and it looks that ogre will give us that result.

[jdgill]

On teh site it says that Ogre3d is not a game engine.

this is the license on the site...take a look at it too. You must look at each engines disclaimers if you aren't gonna make one on your own...

Ogre is licensed under the GNU Lesser Public License (LGPL). This basically means that you can get the full source code for nothing, nada, zip. There is such a thing as a free lunch.

Under the LGPL you may use Ogre for any purpose you wish, as long as you:

Release any modifications to the OGRE source back to the community
Pass on the source to Ogre with all the copyrights intact
Make it clear where you have customised it.
The above is a precis, please read the full license agreement before downloading any source.

In addition, if you use Ogre it would be nice if you would display the Ogre logo somewhere in your application (start up or shutdown) for a minimum of 2 seconds. This splash-screen is displayed on the standard Ogre configuration dialog anyway, so if you use that you don't need to do anything extra. The logo is included in the download archive as Samples\Media\ogrelogo.png. You don't have to do this under the conditions of the LGPL, but it would be appreciated.


Using OGRE for commercial projects
Commercial products can be made using Ogre with no limitations other than the ones listed above.

Previously OGRE was licensed under the GPL which required you to release the source code to all of your project (not just the modifications you made to OGRE) which put some people off using it. We had intended to release OGRE under a commercial license in parallel with the GPL for closed-source projects (to give people an incentive to try to use the GPL) but the reality of dealing with all the contractual / legal issues, coupled with the fact that we're all doing this in our spare time eventually convinced us to just license under the LGPL instead.

[2019]

On teh site it says that Ogre3d is not a game engine.

this is the license on the site...take a look at it too. You must look at each engines disclaimers if you aren't gonna make one on your own...
Yeah, you see their licence is the same flexible as the engine.

Does the site really saythat?
here is a quote from the front page.

OGRE is packed with features to make your development life easier, whether you're making games, architectural visualisation, simulations, or anything else which requires a top-notch 3D rendering solution. Download your copy for free today!

[spindraft]

from the sound of that, i'd say that ogre's a shareware 3d / rendering program, not a game engine. I may be wrong, but isn't the engine for HL2 free, i thought i saw where you could download the source code on steam.

edit--> quote from athey " didn't go through the details and rules for that competition too thuroughly but I doubt that they accept games made with engines like unreal, or half-life 2 since those games are technically just 'mods'." <--Nevermind about HL2 then.

[spindraft]

Kurasu, emailed you an image w/ some of my work. let me know what you think.

[Kurasu]

ok everyone, I have done some thinking, and I have come to a conclusion to the problem with the engine, I am either gonna use directx, or the torque game engine, all I have to do is fork over $100, and its ours, its what is reccomended for this competition, and was made for our purpose, so I am guessing, this would be the way to go. Check it out at www.garagegames.com.

[2019]

for more information about game engines.
http://www.devmaster.net/engines/
Torque is the nr1 in their commercial engines list

[JimboKez]

I was just wondering when you were thinking of starting this project cause if we need to start thinking of ideas then it would be a good idea to think of a start point as in the type of game it will be......

[darkersun]

hey, this sounds cool. i would be able to help with character, weapons design and texturing but after mid june. when is this due? may i have some more details on the following:-
genre
type of character you need
what types of weapons are you looking for in these characters
if creature design needed?
projectile/ special powers ideas and effects needed
which program?

coz these are the things i could help with. i this these are basic needs for RPGs. i will be waiting for your reply over here.

P.S. i am in india so do we need to meet? i know it may sound stupid but i will do my best via my trusty scanner for designs and anything over the net for the give and take of sketches, maps and files.

[Kurasu]

everything you said, is needed. ill be glad if you can help, and the best part is, we don't have to meet, so, are you in?

[JimboKez]

Kurasu would you be able to answer the questions that he has posed but in a more specific way? As in mainly Genre? The best idea of this project would be to make it like something else no one has seen before so rather than say sticking to orcs elves and knights wander into new horizons and blow the minds away of the people thinking of playing it. :shy: :ufo:

[Kurasu]

Ok jimbo, I understand what you are saying, and yes, you have a point, and I am not intending on doing that, I am so tired of the orcs and nights situation. I just want to stab D&D fans in the head. Im am heading towards like, Archangels, satanic beasts, and a notebook full of the less known creatures, some completey new, at least that I know of.

[Kurasu]

Also, Im not sure what you would call this Genre, its going to be so unique, that it has no definition yet.

[darkersun]

i am in!

could you provide me with the details i asked for.
explain the basic story line so i will get a better idea for the characters and maybe if you have some characters in you mind. stuff like the wise peaceful old dude or the huge heafty courageous warrior and stuff.

waiting for your reply.

[darkersun]

glad to be accepted... hope to make this group proud....

[JimboKez]

Kurasa your idea sounds amazing and appeals to me hugely like you say make our own creatures up and get ones deep from the minds of other people and old books, if you want i could start thinking of some ideas for this project now and draw some really rough sketches or what ever for someone else to define and make look better then darkersun would know exactly what we mean........ I think we should also look into meeting up somewhere sometime as in msn or MIrc etc but its up to you........?

[JimboKez]

Had another idea......Rather than people saying WOAH! when they see and end of level boss make them say woah on all the creatures and make them come close to fainting when they see the terrifying boss characters.......I might start writing up a few storylines and post them on here for all to see so that you can pick and choose and change or just rip ideas out of them.

[JimboKez]

http://raph.com/3dartists/artgallery/6305.jpg

Thats a picture that really interests me and i just think its cool, thought i might tell you just good for ideas......

[darkersun]

hey i like what you are getting at...i will start working on the reference images of a few characters after the end of the IB.

[darkersun]

hey what about sound, we neec some one for sound design. i could help with voices for some characters. i do mimics. tell me if you need me to do that, and if you need samples.

[darkersun]

by the way how many monster designs do we need approximately? and how many boss designs do we need? estimates.

[JimboKez]

Well we haven't even started thinking of a game idea of storyline or anything yet, but i am out at a friends today so i will try to think of some ideas and write them down when i get back.

[JimboKez]

I was just wondering if we were thinking of making it along the idea lines of something like WoW with different skills to learn? Or more on the lines of diablo 2 with a straight stroyline and off leading paths slaying monsters etc?

[darkersun]

hey i was send a message ut my stupid pop up blocker got to it. i am sorry could you send it again i have disabled it.

[darkersun]

i would prefer the skills idea and the weapons upgrade one. what if we can show somethin like if the person wants to upgrade his or her weapon they have to pay via expierience points lowering their level but increasing theirs, therefore giving them a choice between the character and the weapon. you cound have a strong weapon which will basically increase your attack and Sp attack stats. or have a strong character with high Def and Sp. Def stats. this will make the players make balanced choices ot spend more time playing to increase both offence and defence. there shouldbe upgrades and degrades such is thereshould be decoy item recepticles which have items which look friendly but could be harmful. its upto to the player to chose to use it or not. as for the stats the person can complete smaller missions and training to gain bonuses points for stats but if they fail the mission the stats should be taken off. this will make it more interesting.

i'll get back with more ideas soon.

i will be posting my weapon designs on the net within a weeks time.

[JimboKez]

sounds good and Kurasu i was wondering you said the storyline included one character? Don't you think it would be better to include mutiple characters ie. choose from five chars at the start of the game, therefore if we ever thought of taking it MultiPlayer then we would have a better basis for it?

[Kurasu]

no, what I meant was that I only have one character completely done, I know there will be more than one character, i just havent written the profiles about them yet. Although, the multiplayer does sound appealing. Has anyone here ever wanted to be able to play a storyline in an rpg multiplayer before? I have i am considering it.

[Kurasu]

Has no one seen the storyline so far? I wrote a short story for the opening vid. So, has anyone seen it ???

[JimboKez]

Yes I have hugely but thats exactly what Diablo 2 brings to you maybe you should look into that game for ideas btw if ur on msn i will try adding you now.

[JimboKez]

Your email address doesn't work........... is there anyway we can get in contact seeing as we are both online atm?

[Kurasu]

I have AIM

[Kurasu]

Im downloading MSN

[JimboKez]

ok add jimbobkerrigan@hotmail.com

[Kurasu]

I have msn messenger, but your not online

[darkersun]

hey guyz add me in: rahul_thackeray@rediffmail.com it works for msn

[Kurasu]

it wont work Darkersun

[jdgill]

Jim Bob...Gosh...I think your busy enough with the Demise of Terra MOD ;) :p.

[Kurasu]

nvm, darkersun, it works, oh, and jimbo, I had to get a new msn account, now its popwar1415

[JimboKez]

jdgill i dont know what your on about i have nothing to do with a demise of terra MOD i think you got the wrong person

[darkersun]

hey jimbo, kurasu!

i have email you some images and a couple of vids. please give me feed backs...

[jdgill]

jdgill i dont know what your on about i have nothing to do with a demise of terra MOD i think you got the wrong person

oh...sry. hehe...Thre is a guy on my MOD team with the name on our forum Jim Bob. I thought you were him...haha.I Don't know...I thought you name was Jimbobkez even though its jimbokez. Sry about that.

[rpglover]

i would like to help make ur game. i am experienced in making models, maps, i also know a little c++ scripting. but i am best at maps. and ofcours my favorite type of game are rpgs. btw great storyline

[rpglover]

email me at rosadojsrsd@aol.com

[rpglover]

i also have used torque game engine its good. and il send u some of my work later

[Kurasu]

nice, if u still have torque, that would be GREAT

[darkersun]

thats good... i need yo see your work throughly... so that makes two programmers?...

[darkersun]

why the slow reply?

[Kurasu]

Hey you guys, I am working on another character. Is telepathy too commonly used? I am thinking of making him telepathic, it would be a fun feature to use while playing the game (who doesn't want to use their mind to rip limbs off of a demon?) plus it would be a great twist if I add it in where I want to. So, what do u guys think I should do???

[JimboKez]

I want you to do it!

[JimboKez]

Mind if i write a character bio maybe? you just give me the idea and i write it?

[rpglover]

uhh kurasu u never emailed me back so i dont know if u accept me or not.

[rpglover]

i sent u some models i made im me wen u get the chance

[Kurasu]

jimbo, I have already wrote a character bio. U can write some of your own, show them to me, and I can take a look, I need some characters. try to keep them as Original as possible.

[darkersun]

hi... i came up with one more monster and chracter, the chracter could be some one we help and then he basically betrays you by snitching on you and stuff... i made the guy thin and meek to be sympathetic... and he can fly...he is also a humanoid but kinda creatury looking...

kurasu, i tried sending you my designs too but they rebounded... jimbo has them through... i need to send these to you but msn is gone bad and your emails are rebounding... please check you inbox... i have some ideas for the effects and jimbo saw those too... i rendered some images

[Almighty_gir]

still no ones contacted me over MSN/AIM or set up a forum for this... not being funny, but talking about it here is 1 thing, but we need somewhere that the agree'd members of the team can express idea's and start doing some real work for this, away from the public eye. and its the leaders job to provide that place.

[Kurasu]

ok, thanks Almighty, and I do agree with you. What is ur msn name?

[JimboKez]

look ill sort out a forum np it'll be done in 1 or 2 days from now ty

[JimboKez]

made the forum http://s10.invisionfree.com/Heaven_And_Hell/index.php
everyone check in there and we can discuss this in a more private atmosphere and Almight_gir if your thinking of being on the team then i am very proud to be part of it i can see that we are going to have some very talented people to work alongside.

[JimboKez]

****** annoying this forum thing is ill get it sorted asap sorry for the delay

[Kurasu]

It will be better if you get a server and install the forum to a server, I can do it if you want. It s not Hard at all!

[darkersun]

hey i will be dormant till the 18th of may... exams... i am working on a few things though.. will get back with loads of designs and ideas soon

[darkersun]

this is confusing

[darkersun]

how come you all have slowed in your posts?

[Brodix]

Well, I have been poking my head in here every now and then. And not much has changed. Unless you are meeting else where... which it looks like you are not. I would like to suggest some sort of structure or organization. I want to see this project go, but its not. So Good luck. Ill poke back in later.

[darkersun]

thanks fire fly. i hope there is another forum up... or we could se up stuff like yahoo groups and work through that...
kurasu, may i please have a list of the group members we have and what each one is going to do so i would be able to give reference images to them to start their work on it. i am also keen on seeing your designs for the telepath, maybe we could figure out a cool way about how we want to show these powers
jimbo, may i have a look at the character bios so i could have a basic idea about the playable characters. i also want to know about the new forum.
i need both of yours' feed back on the idea of the yahoo group.
from the programmers i need to know the details about your game engine and i need some basic samples...please reply fast becoz my exams are getting close and i will soon be out for 2 weeks... i want to see this project move since it is an amazing idea and we are getting the people to make it possible. dont slow down now!!!

we can do it!!! we just have one year and we must make the most of it!!!

all the best guyz, please reply.

[Glottis]

Kursau.. If you´re still interested in a concept artist, then I´m willing to join in...

Too bad, I lack the computer skill to upload .jpegs on the net, but I could send you some of my drawings onto your Gmail

[Kurasu]

Ok guys, heres the thing, I need, everyone, who I have said that may join to say so right now, i was gone for a few days, so i lost track. Plz, tell me who I have promised a spot too, and what job it was. and glottis, I will gladly accept sample art, plz, email it too me...

[darkersun]

i am willing to do:-

concept designs
creature designs
chracter designs
weapons designs
environment designs
special buildings and location design(to a certain extent)
basic modelling and texturing
special effect designs
maybe the voices for the characters
sound design

pleasure to help.

kurasu, keep it up, we need to work hard...

[darkersun]

i am working on a yahoo groups thing for us since it would be easier for us to co-ordinate our work....
ps. i need the modeler to post their specialities so we can have modeler sorted out for the ingame models and the cenematics modelers. the same goes for texturing crew.

[darkersun]

here it is:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/heavenorhell
this is the link to our very own yahoo group page

heavenorhell@yahoogroups.com
this is our group e mail

i am inviting you all who are finalized members or our team. please post your emails...

[Glottis]

Ok Kurasu.. I didn´t find anything at home that said "Wow" so, I just started concepting a bit based on your draft, will send it to you soon

But I´m willing to do:
concepts of carachters, vehicles (?), weapons, creatures, props and more.

I could model too, some of it.

[Kurasu]

ok, send me some samples

[JimboKez]

Kurasu you asked everyone to say if they are in and thats me im ideas and design along with you atm.

[darkersun]

hey guyz... sign up for the yahoo groups since it is easier to post and retrieve the Renders, references and concepts... i will be posting all my work on the albums... i created the albums according to the requirments... here are the groups:-
creatures
characters
practice renders
final renders
references
concepts
maps
scripts

hope this helps...

[Kurasu]

Hey, where is everyone? Did we all give up?

[Brodix]

Its kinda lookin that way to me

[Kurasu]

C'mon u guys. Dont give up

[2019]

Show me some of your concept art, i might give you a little bit help.
My time is too much limited, but for the moment, i could do some little things for you, just to get this started.
I feel that you're in lack of a organized plan.

Maybe you''l need to describe your project in details.
like about your strory, design, and it's technical aspect.
like the engine and what are our limitations and on what we should put more focus on.
Things like what the poly limits and textures.
well thats kinda important.

[darkersun]

ok, kurasu
here are my suggestions:-
we first finalize whos doing what
then we assign the modeler the concept references
we ask the texturing team to create basic textures for the characters and environments
we assign model concepts to the environmental modelers
we continue the hunt for programmers

i am sorry to sound pushy but i am as keen as you about this project...

[Kurasu]

Ok, I like Darker sun's plan. I will be a lil busy for a week or two, I have finals. So, I will be here as much as I can, but until then, if I am not here, please, keep this thing going. I am sry to put a lil damper for the moment, but I have to pass these things. I know u guys can do it though.

[2019]

So Mr.Kurasu, you're ignoring my offer to help you.
Well in that case i take my offer back, have a better one.

[Kurasu]

im very sry 2019, I would accept your offer. I neglected to look at it. If u have a better offer, by all means, have fun, but if u want to stay with us, just say so

[darkersun]

ok guyz please post a reply with things you are interested to do so we can get crackin... we have a lot of work for one year

jimbo where are you?

[Tank[NL]]

not to sure if i can be of any help, but i started a project of my own for a mod some time ago, but it kind of died, im sorry to say.

what i could do is make some concept art and maybe some models. the things im best at is story and character design.

if you want to know more, ill be happy to post some of the stuff i did for my mod project.

[darkersun]

thats cool... could you please post some of your stuff?

[Tank[NL]]

np. i got a sie i made a long time ago. has the basic story (older version, made some majoir change in the mean time) and lots of older renders/artwork.

the site (http://www.firstcelestialwar.com)

and a link to the last one of the last uploaded drawings.

dont expect to much though :P (http://www.firstcelestialwar.com/concept_art/Terran%20Trooper.bmp)

[nwfndh8red]

Need some modelling help? Particularly with weapons? Then please view my topic posted here:

http://forums.3dtotal.com/showthread.php?t=30733

[Kurasu]

I appreciate your offer, and I would jump at the opprotunity, but I cannot pay you, unless we win, and I am not in the postiion to promise anything of the sort. I regret to inform you that if you cannot work without pay, than cannot accept your offer. If you can rethink your offer, then we can accept you.

[darkersun]

come on guyz!!! whats up?

[Athey]

I get the impression that a lot of people are willing and interested in character modeling, but you've gotta realize that you'll probably need a lot more level/asset artists than character artists.

Where I work we've got a fairly large art department. More than 30 guys working on modeling, texturing, etc. In this large group of people, there are two of us that do characters, and right now we're so low on character work needed, that I've been assigned to help the polish team until after E3 when we'll start making a few more NPCs.

There is massive quantity of enviroment art needed for every game. Unless you're making a video game of the movie Cube, you're gonna need a lot more level artists than character artists.

Just my two cents.

[darkersun]

i am willing to help with level designs and art work... kurasu i need to talk to you on msn... when do your exam get over?

[Yoda]

ive finished my exams now so im back on 3d btw this is jimbokez i decided i needed a new username.... my other one sucked lol :) and im getting better at 3d now slightly

[Kurasu]

ok everyone, my exams are over in 2 weeks, I will TRY to keep up with everything, and I agree with Athey, here is the I am gonna stage a contest. Anyone who wants to be on this team, email me ur best work (charliegilchrist@gmail.com). in the subject, state your name, and your position, I will view ALL entries myself. I am taking everything from animations to writings, so plz do this.

[Kurasu]

Ok everyone, I am back for good now!

[Skurai]

Hi i'm really interested in this so if you need another concept artist email me at ani-legacy@hotmail.com I can only acces to a scanner every other week but i can draw with a mouse in photoshop, if you want to see some of my work then i'll email you.

[EDIT]
Heres a quick doodle:
http://img156.echo.cx/img156/8969/untitled15nm.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
I can draw both anime and real.

[Kurasu]

Wow, I like the doodle. Ok Skurai, email me at (charliegilchrist@gmail.com) Send a few samples, and if they are as good or better than the one you showed me, then we most definately need u.

[darkersun]

hey kurasu welcome back... hey yoda may the force be with you... k... since you are free please check out the yahoo groups thing i have posted some concepts for the game... i am also working on a few ideas like the one yoda suggested some one lokking like wolves but much better... i am also working on some effects i have a few tests posted on the yahoo thing... i also figured out a few ideas for the structure of the game and ideas for bosses and chracter powers and stuff... i have discussed a few with yoda a long time back but i am well organized in my thoughts now... hope to hear from you soon... i am also workin on a few more creature designs... please check out the yahoo thing... andgive me a reply is any changes are needed... so i could revise those... i am starting to work o a few ideas on buildings.... could you please inform me with ideas for any specific buildings such as shrines/temples/ruins/towers/huts and viilage settlements/burrows?

[darkersun]

p.s. i am also workin out ideas for music and sound effects... i came up with whispers in a raw format which we could use when the character approaches the boss...

[Kurasu]

Wow Darkersun, You have done alot. I am glad to see that I am glad to see that someone is trying as much as I am. I have been doing alot. One of the people working on this (not in the forums yet) has done some interesting mosters, and I liked the last two you did. I like the staffs also, I am not sure who did that. the character drawing were a lil awkward though. The main character will be handled by me, for I ma have things in mind for him. I am trying to keep him as far fromcliche, and as close to innovational as possible. I better go, I am in school and the bell is about to ring. Ill talk to you guys later.

[Skurai]

Ok thanks, i'll send you some later today since i don't have much on my computer.

[Yoda]

right looks like darkersun has gone ahead of me so i am going to have to do something soon but what i dont know hmmmm clouded the future is :D right ill check yahoo and ill speak to you soon. :dance:

[darkersun]

thanks for your feed back guyz! i had a query for yoda and kurasu... do you guyz have an external hardrive or something... coz we need one place to have all our stuff... i have one of 250 GBs and i could dedicate 30-40 gb to our work...

[Skurai]

okay sorry that i havent sent it to you yet but i have been sick the last few days but now i'm back, i'll send it to you in two-three hours from now or atleast at the end of the day.(the portfolio that is.)

[Kurasu]

Ok, I am awaiting your email

[darkersun]

hey kurasu... i thought of having different gods who help us but they have opposing demons like the the god of light V/S the god of darkness (the demons were also gods before they fell...) out characters could derive their powers from the gods for special powers but for simple attacks have gods of the elementals not only will there be just earth, water, wind and fire but spirit and lightning too... there will be a Warp to the hall of shrines at each savew point so the character could upgrade the powers according the levels, AP and deeds (special smaller tasks)... well its a start...
my exams get over tomorrow and then i will be full on into this...

another question... you had said that you could get the game published on your own even if we didnt come first place... i wish to hear more about that if possible...

[Kurasu]

I have always liked the gods idea, but one problem, thats been done a thousand times, and so has the shrines thing, I have seen many examples of this, I am trying to be as original as I can.

About publishing, a know a guy who works with bethesda (morrowind) but that isnt a promise. There are many ways other ways to get published, and if we get to the contest, nad we dont win, if any of the 300 different publishers, from people for playstation, to unknown, less credited people, like it, they will publish it, its that simple.

[darkersun]

k thanks... so what do you suggest to use to actually show the conflict between heaven and hell... we could use the devil but it is also used... i am trying to think p a few ideas... do you have any suggestions about this?... i also wanted to know your feed back on the envirinmental need as in what type of environments are you looking for... what types of houses do you want as in caves/burrows/huts/domes... do you have any specific suggestions for creatures, additional chracters etc... should we use the ideas about the different elements for attacks since it has also been used... should we use the AP system?... i was thinking thet instead of the AP system we could use the help of the spirit world, as in the more we fight for good the more amount of transparent neutral spirits turn white so they are willing to assist us during the use of greater powers which requires spiritual assistance. after helping us once they become get exhausted but of you over use them they might also change side which could to be a big risk since it is harder to convert black evil spirits to good white ones compared to the transpatent neutral ones... i think it should be slightly different compared to the basic AP system...waiting for your feed back...

[Kurasu]

Ok, here is what I have going so far. The story starts with him remembering waking up, and his g/f being dead beside him, and he doesnt know why, later he finds out that he is half demon, half angel. He goes on evil rampages sometimes, with no control, and he is the one that killed is g/f, with no memory of it. So not only are u battling evil forces, but also urself.

[darkersun]

cool but the half deamon thing seems a bit like inu yasha - if you dont know of it ( a half deamon who had this powerful sword he uses to protect humans... when he gets angry he goes on rampages and kill/destroys everything in his sight) but i do like the idea... so he just discovers new powers as he goes on or does he have another way to develope his powers

[achromatic]

Kurasu
I can help you as an art director and by doing illustration work. My interest is doing surrealism work . If there is work for me I can help you . But I need detail information about this project . If you can send me some visualization work like thumbnails send me .

[darkersun]

cool... could we see some posts of yours such as some designs?


P.S. where in nepal are you?

[achromatic]

o k guys i will soon send u my work .and i will also try to make your hero half devil and half god.
I m in Kathmand learning fine art and now days I an doing 3d by myself

[limion]

if you still want another helping hand, count me in. i'm not the best one on this forum, but i'm a hard worker and i fast learner 3+))

oops forget to give my e-mail: soulfire84@gmail.com

[achromatic]

Well guys I like your character half god and half devil.How about the Egyptian character In Egyptian Mythology There r two brothers named Osiris and Setkh. Setekh was a agent of hot air and storm hurrican and desert he was also known as villain god, But Osiris was most famous and helpful god . He was a respected god in Egypt.He introduced plough for the farmer which was very helpful for them.
Like you concept how will be this if the setkh and Osiris will be mix together. The power of evil Setekh will be hurrican storm and hot air opposite of Setekh Osiris will have water and cold air power which will be used for protecting the people. Beside this there is Isis who she was the sister and wife of Osiris .She was the god of Nile rive which she gives fortile soil for the Egyptian .When the Osiris was 28 he was murdered by his brother Setekh. When his wife Isis heared that she was horrified. She went to Byblos and bring back the death body to the Egypt and made him alive again. Setekh killed him and torn his part in to the piceses and threw to the different places.

This is the Egyptian Mithology. To work with your concept we have to change the story We shoud make the murder of the Isis from the Osiris which really he will be not a muderor. but actual muderor will be the Setekh he will know it later when he killed Isis he will find himself half demond and god (half Osiris and half Setekh)


ok friends we can take little ideas from the Egyptian mythology.

[darkersun]

here are some ideas for weapons..

[Kurasu]

I like your weapons Darkersun, and they are very original, but here is one thing, their shapes are so awkward, that its hard to believe that they would be effective, some are great, and others, could use a few touchups, but overall, good work, keep it coming. I am throwing around a million different ideas.

[Skurai]

sorry it took so long but my photoshop stoped working for some reason but know it's fixed so i have only done one work, i'm new to digital painting, if you don't like this then i'll understand you, but if you like it and i can join i hope this will make my experience grow:
http://img32.echo.cx/img32/9880/untitled32wa.jpg

[Kurasu]

Well, I am impressed in different levels. Well, the overall SHAPE of the head is original, yet not so great. But ur colors amaze me. If u did that in phototshop, its something I cant do. What do u guys think???

[Skurai]

hmm thanks, maybe i can give different examples when i get home.

[darkersun]

thanks for your feed back kurasu, here are some more designs...

[darkersun]

PS Copyrights of designs to Darkersun unless used for this game ;)

[Kurasu]

I like the arm blade, thats awesome, one character actually uses those, so thats a god concept.

[Skurai]

Okay heres two other ones i did:
http://img71.echo.cx/img71/3194/untitled13fz.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
http://img60.echo.cx/img60/8686/jagockmainchar9ss.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
like I said i'm new to digital painting and I (if I get this) will see it as a chance
to gain experience, but something that i'm good at is drawing, after the weekend
i am going to borrow a scanner so then i can scan in some drawings and color them in
painter.

[Kurasu]

send JUST skethes also, I want to see some work, and yes, u can join, I see some potentional

[Skurai]

weehee, i'll sketch under the weekend and post them, just random sketches or a specific topic.

EDIT:
I just followed a tutorial on painting faces and it worked miracles:
http://img159.echo.cx/img159/8393/face5pw.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)
So what do you think? For my first try i think It's quite good.

[darkersun]

thnk kurasu... may i know if there are any specific needs for this game... environment wise... and weapon wise...

[Kurasu]

Well darkersun, the beginning of the game, takes place in a sort of wooded type of area, with a small hut. I am not talking one of those perfect sunny places, I am talking, trashy shack, in the middle of the woods. And for weapons, Katanas, staffs, gauntlets, and other creative weapons, are needed.

[Skurai]

is thre goign to be a quite high tech big city in the game? if so then
I might be able to try and do a concept of it.

[Kurasu]

sure is

[Skurai]

then i'll start making some concepts when i get home, from shool, or wait doh!, i don't have painter at my moms, whell i can atleast give you some handrawn sketches since i have
a scanner there.

[darkersun]

cool i start work on it right away...

[madmenno]

Hey folks,

Are there already programmers in da house? Shouldn't you open up a forum somewhere, so things get more organized then a bunch of concept art in 1 thread?
Is there a (as good as) complete story line for the game?

You said in somewhere in May i beleve that it should be finished in the end of the year.... Well... i think if you going for something decent it takes atleast a couple of years with about 50 people... and thats 50 people nicely devided over all different jobs.

I bet the coding is the hard part (did you find some programmers already?).

I would say the first thing to do now is make a REAL plan. caus from what i can read from this post are 2 or 3 realy enthousiastic people and your not gonna make it with 3 people.

I'm also willing to help with some easy environmental things but first i want to see where this is going.

but i do wish you luck with your project. I will drop by in 1 or 2 weeks to see what happend.

[Skurai]

hmm....madmenno has a pont, you should really go to other forums, like programming forums and other 3d forms and search for help there.
btw, it would be nice if you could send me a character bigraphy and i'll try to design a character out off that.
oh, and what platfrom are you aming for, pc, ps2, xbox???

[Kurasu]

yes, I have tried other forums, and noone seems to take me seriously. I am aiming for PS2. And I also agree, I doubt this will be done in a year either, but just so u know, all we REALLY need is a prototpe, but it still wont be done.

[madmenno]

Well i think you should write a proper story line. Get some people to make some concept art. A website with plannings, news and link to your games forum.

Get something to work with. People don't take you seriously because they don't want to waste 1 year of work for nothing. Give them something to know your serious.

You already have some stuff to work with...
A doodle (Thats actually realy nice) and some CG's from Skurai
Some original weapons from darkersun.

So why not start out? If you can't make a decent website just openup a forum for fan's and crew. Keep stuff updated there and let people all over the internet know whats done and what your up to.

PS.
Somewhere in this thread you said you would do the main character. The character thats seen the most. So i assume your a good low poly modeler? Show us some of your work.... Could make a difference 1 or 2 good modelers :D

[Kurasu]

well, I am gonna DRAW him. I am not the best modeler. I am learning, but not quite there yet. I need to find someone to do cutscenes too. and I have a storyline going, and I have a site going too, I know what going on.

[Brodix]

well, I am gonna DRAW him. I am not the best modeler. I am learning, but not quite there yet. I need to find someone to do cutscenes too. and I have a storyline going, and I have a site going too, I know what going on.

Well I'm gonna have to agree with madmenno I have been following this from day 1 and the reason I never joined is because it is very unorganized. And, I think you team agrees, They are asking, "is there going to be a high tech big city in the game." "thnk kurasu... may i know if there are any specific needs for this game... environment wise... and weapon wise..." Everyone else is lost soon they will be asking should I make a box?!?!?!? Lets ask Kurasu, because he keeps all knowlege in his noggin. Im not trying to tear you down, but I dont think this project will make it very far. I am giving it another 2 months max. UNLESS you change the way things are going. I would like to see this suceed, but soon everyone is going to lose interest, because they dont know what is going on. I have been waiting for a story, Concept, cheetos... something. I hope you havent taken this negitavely, but as crit to be better. Good Luck with the game.

[darkersun]

hey kurasu, i had given you a rough plan for this project... maybe you could try it our for a while, i dont know how far it will go maybe you want to use it as a temporary plan but it might get the wheels turning. may i make a list of the crew member and their responsibilities? so you would be able to assign them the ideas for working...

all you guyz there, WE WANT SOME PROGRAMMERS. could you please reply once again with your names and qualifications so i could add you to the list, the same goes to interested concept artists, low poly animators, mapping crew, sound techs etc.... ALL!

i am sorry to be so aggressive but the situation calls for it... i would just like to help Kurasu out coz he has a wonderful thing goin but we just need to teke him seriously, i am also an animator/artist, i am not giving up on this.

interested concept artists - please post some references so they can be assigned to the interested modellers, even maps are welcomed.

modellers - please accept these references and make the low poly models and turn them in on the yahoo account (refer previous pages for link) so we could have the mapping team pick it up form there

mapping team - please accdept these models and create the textures according to the concepts

sound team - please try creating some cool music, and build up a resource library of sound effects

programmers - please volunteer, and discuss with us the other requrments for the game this will be a great help since we all could adapt to the programming requirements of the game as in terms of polycounts, lights, maps (opac, self illum, bump etc...), also what are the sepecial requirements for PC games and PS2, PSP, PS3 games...

i would be able to help with the following:-

concepts
mapping - both in game and cinematics
sounds
some modeling - inorganic would be preferable

thank you for your understanding... i would reassure you that if each participant helps with their share we will be able to create this game wonderfully...

P.S. kurasu i am only trying to help you with the game, i am as keen for this thing as you are... my full support for this project...

[Skurai]

yes i agree with darkersun and firefly, i think we should take our time on this game since you said you could get it publsihed anyways right? then let's take or time and make a great game. here's how i think you should do.

karasu you make a complete and interesting story, and some character bigoraphys.
then the concept artist are brought to work on concepts and story boards, that is then sent to 3d modelers.
then the sound team and coding team etc are put to work.

all i say is make an interesting story with some twists, since it's more fun to play games that throw you off the seat and can't stop playin than games that makes you fall asleep in the chair.

so let's enjoy this time and take or time to make a great game.

[Kurasu]

thank u Darkersun for ur everlasting support. An I realize that this thing is very unorganized, and I am trying to find a system that works well for me, in the mean time, plz hang in there guys, and this thing will end up great. Skurai, I know what you mean, and since I am writing this, I have been adding many twists. I have many influences from MANY games, and I am trying to be as original as possible, for example, I am not doing the simple, young, innocent hero, in a town of peace, then he grows up, into a hero, type thing. Thats old, actually the character is more along the lines of a warped.... Vincent from FFVII if you will. I have one question for you guys, I have various Ideas written up, and I was wondering, should I write it in script form, or short story, I am thinking of rewriting what I have and finishing it in script form, tells us everything we need to know, and it is straight to the point.

[Skurai]

i think you should write it in script form.

[Brodix]

Script

[Yoda]

right guys ill do concepts for everything and ehm maybe some modelling in the future and i can try myself at making some original music and i have a friend who might be interested on the music bit too - Yoda aka Jimmer

[Josiah]

hey i just saw this and i am really interested!! i would LOVE to do some concept art. if someone could show me some disciptions of what you want, i would get started right away!!

[Skurai]

nice yoda, and hi josiah, karasu, hows it going with the story?

[Kurasu]

i am doing pretty good on the script. and josiah, plz show us some samples.

[Skurai]

Cool, just check his thread:D

[Kurasu]

ok, Josiah, I looked through ur thread, and I like ur work, the only problem is, I noticed that realistic things, aren't what u like to do. This game is going for a dark, demonic, threatening vibe, if u are willing to try it, I will give u some stuff to try, and we will see from there, sound good?

Now, about the script, I am having to rewrite alot, so I dont have much at all, but u wanna see so far?

[Yoda]

ye show us

[Yoda]

oh forgot to say weapon sketch coming up soon will soon add to the yahoo groups

[Skurai]

cool that is, wait to see it i can not.
lol.
Sorry, i will stop spamming and get some work done, well i am actually waiting until friday when i get my wacom:D

[Kurasu]

ok, I am REALLY gonna sound like an idiot, but how can I put a text document on here so u guys can download it?

[Kurasu]

ok, nevermind, I figured it out. I feel like an idiot but oh well. Download the script, thats all I have rewritten so far.

[Yoda]

sounds cool if i do any drawings should i add them to here or on the yahoo groups thing?

[Yoda]

1 more thing would you mind if i drew kasarus katana which i guessed he inherieted it off of his dad? so would you mind if i drew the katana he will use at first?

[Skurai]

cool, i'm going to download and read the script now.

[Skurai]

Okay I read It, didn't take that long:D
can't wait see more.

[Kurasu]

ok, go ahead and try drawing the katana, I wanna see this, and I am working on it skurai.

[Yoda]

i will first finish my weapon sketches that i am doing then i will draw the katana so shall i add my concepts onto this forum or yahoo groups?

[Josiah]

ok, Josiah, I looked through ur thread, and I like ur work, the only problem is, I noticed that realistic things, aren't what u like to do. This game is going for a dark, demonic, threatening vibe, if u are willing to try it, I will give u some stuff to try, and we will see from there, sound good?

Now, about the script, I am having to rewrite alot, so I dont have much at all, but u wanna see so far?
ok yeah! i know i do alot of stylized stuff, but i am definetly willing to try at realism!! i have been trying my hand at a few drawing like that already.
so yeah, if you can use me......I'm in!! :evil:

[Yoda]

k some ideas for weapons you didnt say where to post them so i did it here they look bad when they are scanned and they all need tweaking tell me what you think http://img273.echo.cx/img273/6826/cci000051sf.jpg (http://www.imageshack.us)

[Josiah]

what sort of time period is this?? i dont quite get it. i will draw some weapons if you can tell me what you want. swords guns?? i really like making swords and knight stuff, but whatever you want.....

ps-sry bout the double post;P

[Kurasu]

thats whats great, its SOOOO far in the future, that its both weapons. Techonlogy go so dangerous, taht it was outlawed to the common people.

[Skurai]

cool, i'll start doing some designs to on friday.

[Josiah]

nice idea!!!! i will post some stuff soon.......

[darkersun]

hey glad to see things have gotten rolling...
i am working on a few environmentals and weapons, since kurasu liked the idea of the blades tied at the back of the palm, i am working on a few ideas...
kurasu, does the lead character have the same set of kitanas or can he change them... or how about having the set inhereted by his dad (?) and have them GROW along with him by gaining experience and soon the Kitana evolves stronger than the strongest form his father had accomplished... this can easily be potrayed by the use of glows and orbs...
as for the hut you wanted, show i show a simple day to day hut in the forest or show an infrastructure made up of wood and broken electronic marerials such as body parts of machinary he might have built it from scrap material... its just a thought...

[Skurai]

wow that's a really cool idea darker, atleast i like it, we'll just have to wait and see what karasu says.

[Kurasu]

Ok, for the hut, I beleive is should be more like the second one, scrapped, rubbage, all sorts of random things. And as for the Katanas, instead of buying weapons, I am gonna have a sort of level up system, a mix of FFVII and Dark Cloud.U can euip it with various orbs, to add attributes, extra strength boosts, and so on. Then, ur weapon also gains experience, which u can use to level up different areas that need improvement, it could be to raise attack, or for swift movements, but here is the best part, every three levels or so, it changes appearance, depending on what u level up, and when. say, u level up nothing but attack for three levels, the appearance of it, will change to a more claymore like weapon, and if u raise nothing but speed, or accuracy, u get a thin, rapier-like swrod. Another thing, the sword is not his father's that is WAY overdone.

[Skurai]

wow awesome idea kurasu i love it!
It finally feels like things are getting somewhere!

[loxy]

Hi, this is the friend that yoda was talking about, ive been working on some short background music, at the moment its based around the theme of eerie for a sort of forest,crypt or any scary or eerie place. What format would you like the final render to be in? and are there any sort of themees that would be really important? Also i would be interested in making a soundtrack for the game, well if theres something you want me to do ill do it.......

[Kurasu]

Well, just so u know. I am gonna be using very heavy music for scenes. Maybe some Slayer (HEAVY thrash metal)

[Skurai]

yeah use something in the rock style.
that's just my opinion.

[Josiah]

ok, here are a bunch of weapons. just give me some feed back. i will be waiting for your opinions before i continue...........:halo:

ps-if nothing else, check out the guns.............

[Josiah]

here is a concept of a charator w/ my shotgun idea.........

[Josiah]

...

[loxy]

I have been usig fruity loops, and has a slayer plugin, so ill try and come up with some heavy metal, to see what you think.

[loxy]

What were your plans for the music aspect of things originally?

[darkersun]

hmm... hey loxy I am working on a few sound fx myself. i am working on whispers which could basically used as voiceovers when we approach evil... i am also working on a frew peices of music since we will need music for different levels... i will be posting some things soon enough, after i do my final renders in mp3s.

Kurasu, would you like to have an introduction to the game being narrated by a dark mysterious voice, or have Kurasu wake up from his dream with whispers whirling around in his head like soft background music giving it a more evil undertone...

[darkersun]

hey josiah boy, love the weapons hope we use the guns in this games, they will turn out quite well!

Kurasu, do we have cinematics in this game, of so we need to figure out the quality of them

does any one have a 1gb or a 2 gb ram computer with a recent g force video card?

[darkersun]

check out the whispers at:

<http://groups.yahoo.com/group/heavenorhell/files/Audio%20files/>

and if you are working on the game and have not signed up for the groups i would suggest you do since it will be helpful to swap specific file formats such as .max and audio files...

[loxy]

Hey darkersun, idea sounds great, ive just been mucking about with a few slayer riffs to see what i came up with, will post when ive finished a few, to see what you guys think.

[Kurasu]

hmmm... Good ideas darkersun, ill think about it. I know the beginning being narrated by someone, is done a lil, but it still works great, and we can make it our own.

[Josiah]

thanks darkersun:D anybody else: anything 'bout the weapons???

i am really looking forward to hearng your sound effects and music!!!!!!!

[Skurai]

Yeah nice Idea darker, and same here can't wait to hear the sound effects and the music.

[Josiah]

guyz! i need C&C about my weapons..............

[Kurasu]

Well, josiah, I like the concepts, and I believe they will be used by one of my faithfull characters that still ive in my head. I have a surprise! Attention all concept artists! I finally have a Bio for the main character, Kurasu. Here it is!

[jdgill]

hm..I think I might give it a try...

[Josiah]

hey cool. ummmmi hate to be a pest, but could you copy and paste the bio onto a quik relpy???. my computer has some wierd downloading settings, and it wont let me dowload this.....