Mig-29

[nwfndh8red]

Hey there guys. I've tried to model a few jets/planes but I usually either got bored and forgot what I was doing, or I was so very displeased at the project that I ended it.

After a while of not modeling much I decided I wanted to model a Mig-29. This plane is GIGANTIC in person, but I thought it looked really cool too.

Here's the jet at about 3 hours total combined work so far. I want to get the basis done so that I can go over it with some nice details, a few different bump maps maybe, and POSSIBLY a uv map and texture (depending on public reaction). I hate texturing but sometimes I get bored enough, heh.

[SNap]

Looks great. The way u will skin this will be the most important part.

[Sky_Eagle]

This looks awesome.
The mig-29 is one of the most beautifull fighters. (my opinion )
Everything looks good so far.

[mr_demon]

i think the su-27, su-33 and su-37 'berkut' r nicer, they look so much like hawks! my dad knows the guy who tested the 'berkut' (for the not russian fighter fans of u it is so far the only fighter to have forward spanning wings which looks just SO amazing) an said that they made the wings forward spanning because it helps increase the maximum angle of attack. i also started a jet fighter once but never got past the middle of the fuselage. btw the model seems nice an accurate so far, good work

[nwfndh8red]

Thanks guys, I'll be back in a little bit with an update for you.

[nwfndh8red]

Update.

[nwfndh8red]

Here's a better angle at what I've updated. Back fins, engine setup, minor details.

[nwfndh8red]

I took a wireframe shot of this because with the lighting it was very hard to see, plus it gives you a peek at the meshsmoothed wire anyways.

[lorddarthvik]

Hey, looks great! Also, this plane with the su-27 and su33 have the best airshow capabilities. I'v seen a video of these doing things like harriers (nose pointed up in almost vertical, and the plane is still flying in a horizontal line very slowly, for about 20-30 seconds! )! Give it some nice camou texture, but the orginal grey-only color scheme looks good too!

[Sky_Eagle]

Its called a Cobra lorddarthvik.

[Yustas]

I think the cockpit is just a bit off.

[lorddarthvik]

Nope SkyEagle, Cobra is a waaaay else. Doing a Cobra includes lotttsa excessive manuvering, doing a harrier is just hangin in the air at a walking mans pace :D our army got these good-ol-planes, and I'v seen em doing cobras all day at airshows :D

heres some pictures and such, hope it helps. Seems like theres a minimum of two different cockpits.

http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/russia/airdef/mig-29.htm

[nwfndh8red]

Heh thanks for your comments guys. I love fighter planes/jets in general. After I make a few adjustments and additions I will be completed with this model (I'll also be adding bombs and rockets, no plane is a fighter plane without those). So in order to make this look better, I am looking for help with the skinning. I can UV map, but I am not much of a 2d artist. If someone would like to help me make this look great I'd be very pleased.

Thanks, I'll be back later with an update.

[nwfndh8red]

Updated the bottom of the aircraft since there was nothing there. Still very bare because I've just started detailing the bottom. I did manage to fit some rockets and two fuel tanks on there.

[nwfndh8red]

I also updated the engine component at the rear, it's much more accurate and good looking now. Take a look at the previous pictures to distinguish the difference.

[nwfndh8red]

One last better look at the new engine component in the rear. Don't mind the crappy lighting on the side, heh.

Let me know what you guys think!

P.S. Still looking for possible texture help

[nwfndh8red]

Completed the front landing gear, pain in the ass. My computer is running so slow now with the polies mounting up.

Does anyone know how to display a meshsmooth ONLY on a render-out? That'd help a lot.

Anyway here's the langing gear for the front

[voolkan]

if you are using 3dsmax in the meshsmooth settings you can choose what will be the render iterations and thats what will show in the render.

[Sky_Eagle]

Looking very good.
But i think there's something wrong with the nose.

[nwfndh8red]

Sky_Eagle: lol, that's pretty vague, but I'll look more closely ay some refs and maybe I can find what you mean.

[vectorealms]

wow great job

[Henry_B]

Sky_Eagle: lol, that's pretty vague, but I'll look more closely ay some refs and maybe I can find what you mean.

i think this is what voolkan was trying to say. see the pic.

one value of itinerations (low) for the viewport to work faster, and one value (high) for the render.

[Henry_B]

ohh and Gr8 model BTW heheh

[nwfndh8red]

Thanks much m8's. Extra thanks to Henry_B for the help. Been busy will work on the other landing gear shortly and post an update.

[nwfndh8red]

Hey, I've finished the landing gear for the rear, but no meshsmooth/clay render for now. Instead, I decided to make a collage with some wire renders together in a poorly compiled picture here:

Heh, let me know what you think. I've added/fixed quite a few things that I'll mention later when I render out the full model (got a splitting headache right now :xx: )

[Sky_Eagle]

this is what i mean.
The nose should be more pointy.

http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~junap95/fighters/images/mig29-6.jpg

http://www.jpsmodell.de/dc/shemes/n90j_m29_1.jpg

this is a screenshot of a game called Lock-on : Modern aircombat.
And am pretty sure those guys modeld the mig-29 perfect so here's a close up from the nose.

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3958/screenshot0000ra.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/2485/screenshot0011ud.jpg

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/5560/screenshot0020ut.jpg

I hope this can help u.

[lsz7722]

good very good

[nwfndh8red]

Hahah, Sky_Eagle thanks for the crit. If you look at the latest wire renders I posted, be sure to check out the nose. I realized that it needed to be more pointy, and I did so. Compare the new wire to the old render and you'll see the difference. You'll especially see it wit the new clay I'll post up soon.

Isz7722, thanks much mate

[nwfndh8red]

Ok here's an update. Made the front of the wings a bit more realistic/aerodynamic

But here's a good look at the MISSLES AND ROCKETS! Heh

[nwfndh8red]

Here is a nice overall look over the top of the aircraft

That's all for right now mates. Starting to look into the 2d design part now, any help with it would be appreciated and credited.

[mr_demon]

dude, ur rear chassis' r both wrong, u have to only one wheel on the outer side of each chassis plus the rear wheels r larger than the front ones

[nwfndh8red]

mm..I thought so, was just too lazy to find a close enough picture. The back wheels are larger though.

I'll fix 'er up next render, thanks

[nwfndh8red]

I've fixed the wheel error but I wanted to get in a nice top view picture before a render of those.

Let me know what you guys think, I'll upload the wheels sometime soon.

[Sky_Eagle]

I think it looks very good!

[Der Meister]

good looking fulcrum. the wings look odd to me but i dotn know.. is this thing low poly kinda?

[lorddarthvik]

the wings are tooo flat! They look like a piece of thick cardboard. Add a profile :D
Otherwise, it looks nice!

[waylandcool]

Nice model but being a aviation buff with all kinds of research material, I do have a few areas of improvement.

The LERX's need to be smooth. That sharp corner needs to be rounded off.

The angle of the intake nacelles doesn't look sharp enough. The line arts I've seen shows them to be nearly 45 degrees.

The area between the afterburner nozzles needs a complete redesign.

The fuselage spine doesn't go all the way back. It stops near the tail section.

I'm not sure but the wings look small. I think the front to back distance (I think it's the chord) needs to be somewhat increased.

I saw a view with eight weapons pylons. The Fulcrum has seven, three under each wing and a centerline station.

Other than that, it's a very nice model. I'm saying this in the spirit of constructive advice. I really don't bash people's hard work because I've had mine massacred by others. I don't care for it so I try not to do it to others. If you need reference material, Squadron Signal has a nice inexpensive book in their In Action series on the MiG 29. You can find on Ebay for about 8 bucks shipped. That series really gives you nice detail for a 40 page book.

EDIT: One more thing, the chaff/flare dispensers are built into the vertical fins. Just extend the back of the dispensers in the tail fillets and you're all set.

[lorddarthvik]

I'v checked a couple of pics and one of my own vids, and you'r a bit wrong there Waylandcool :D
The spine Does come back till the end of the plane, but it has a turn in it,where the angle of it flattens. That section starts where the wings end.
The chaff and flare dispensers look absolutely ok to me, looking at this picture might help:

[Tjakalen]

I agree with Sky_Eagle. the Mig 29 has a more softly blended canopy that sort of melts together with the airframe in one smooth curve. Your front looks more like a F-15 then a Mig 29. Also i think the top ventils above the jet intakes is placed to far to the back. Also the airframe wings blends in smooth with the nose section on this airplane. Look at some frontal in air shots of it. It has a crosssection like it's shapes are diving slightly forward. It's actully alot like on the flanker but not as noticable.

edit: Sorry diden't see the second page, again, it seems like it's still applies though.

[lorddarthvik]

yep. here's a pic, that has all on it. It seems likemyou'r doing the single seater version. When looking for reference, be sure that U look at that one, cause the two seater version is waaay different in some aspects!

[nwfndh8red]

Thanks much for the debating guys, heh. I appreciate the help. I will probably be starting an A-10 shortly (most think it's ugly but I think it's a great looking fighter-jet) so I've pretty much left this project regardless of imperfections. Thanks anyways and be look out for the next!

[waylandcool]

I'v checked a couple of pics and one of my own vids, and you'r a bit wrong there Waylandcool :D
The spine Does come back till the end of the plane, but it has a turn in it,where the angle of it flattens. That section starts where the wings end.
The chaff and flare dispensers look absolutely ok to me, looking at this picture might help:

You're right about the spine. The line arts I saw didn't show the spine as it went between the engines.

About the chaff/flare dispensers, look at the picture then look at the MiG render at the top of the page. He has a gap between them and the tail that clearly isn't there in your pic.

[waylandcool]

About the tail, I just noticed your pic ldv. When I has talking about c/f dispensers I was looking at the little disconnected fins next to the tails and thinking of the MiG 23/27's c/f dispensers, thought that that was what he was modeling.

[Tjakalen]

The A10 looks cool in a sort of roburst and man eating way. But i woulden't call it a fighter as it's built for close air support o_O

[nwfndh8red]

The A10 looks cool in a sort of roburst and man eating way

Hahah, yes.