LOW POLY CHALLENGE #2 - Assassin Challange [Archive] - Page 4

SamuraiJack

07-01-2006, 02:42 PM

Well, after reading the ideas being banded about I have a couple of ideas. :wave:

1. Mount and rider. fantasy setting. 7k and 3k poly limit. Medievil or scifi, the mount must be 'alive' ie horse or cyborg flea..... rider to suit. :haha:

2. Vehicle and pimp! why not combine some of the ideas and design a vehicle (pimped to the max) with a suitably dressed pimp driver? 7k and 3k limit? :smug:

Just my 2 cents. I am trying to keep poly count reasonable, 7k/3k split seemed the best chioce.

Peace. :dance:

TheWinterLord

07-01-2006, 02:48 PM

You can do both of those ideas in my idea, I just thought it would be nice to attract more people because there is almost no limit on how many ideas you can make with a combination of driver and vehicle/organic ride. It will get more people to enter I think if they can model something in their interest, because not everyone wants to make a pimp ride.

SamuraiJack

07-01-2006, 03:27 PM

not quite true there winterlord,

YOu specified a vehicle, as far as I recall, that means a un-natural means of transportation.

This would not include aminals per se, the only expection I can think of is a horse and cart.

definition of vehicle: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&lr=&rls=GGLD,GGLD:2003-50,GGLD:en&oi=defmore&defl=en&q=define:vehicle

Sorry to be a pedant, but we shouldn't confuse the compo requirements.

TheWinterLord

07-01-2006, 03:42 PM

:o Haha, yeh but if you would read other post like pedro's he also says we should add organic rides like horses and stuff to the alternative rides. An then I said that is a good idea, i believe that I wrote if I had thought about that earlier I would have added it in. lol the ideas are in progress right now arent they? ;P

Yeh just go back and read Pedros post after my idea, and also read my next post after my idea on page 50 of this thread, it should clarify everything. ;P

SamuraiJack

07-01-2006, 06:29 PM

fairy nuff m8y :haha:

I just wanted it to be clear, if we do eventually have a compo, that if it is a vehicle compo, animals are out with the exception of tabby cats riding a rickshaw, or two squirrels on a tandem. :evil:

If we have a rider/mount compo, they're in.

That was all I meant to convey in my semi-literate rambling. :haha:

I am just getting hyped, I bought Silo at Chrimbo and I want a challenge to hone my skills on. Need compo real bad................................can't stop shaking.....................more coffeee will help...................... :roll:

BiG ToE-3DT

07-01-2006, 08:16 PM

So it looks like everyone is leaning towards to rider/driver and vehicle/animal. Which is fine with me, infact that would be a great idea, the contest would be huge. Everyone can come up with something to fit that. The only problem I see comming up, the judging. I figure we will have a bunch of good stuff, and this time Pedro will have a run for his money.

Cyrenn

07-01-2006, 08:36 PM

: ) Well I suppose its a good time to start judging the assassin models: )
Im double checking has everyone that has finished placed there completed model in the final thread for judging?

I figured you can take your favorite 3 models and judge them by giving them a score from 1 to 10 in each catagory. 1 being the least, 10 being the best.

A perfect score would be 40 points. We'll add all the points together that each model recieves. So please take the time and list the name and the points under each catagory: )

Example.
Ninja Dude
Concept: 7
Model: 8
Texture: 7
Closeness to style: 10
Total= 32

Please list all voting and scores on the Final Assassin Models thread.
http://forums.3dtotal.com/showthread.php?t=38226

Good Luck all: )

TheWinterLord

07-01-2006, 09:20 PM

what is meant with Closeness to style? and should we post scores here or in the other thread?

Cyrenn

07-01-2006, 09:33 PM

Closness to style - Does the model look like it could be an assassin : ) In his or her world: )

And yes please post on the Finlas thread: )

Also Congrats WInterlord for being one of the artist to finish his model : )
Good Luck.

TheWinterLord

07-01-2006, 10:16 PM

Thank you very much! :)

Ilkejav mk5

08-01-2006, 02:26 AM

euhm, we can't vote for our own model can we? lol, not like I was going to, but hey, just have to be sure.

Pedro Toledo

08-01-2006, 05:38 AM

I hope we can't... It's kind of weird to vote for ourselfs, isn't it?

Nappa

08-01-2006, 09:42 AM

your not allowed to vote for yourselfs u can only vote for other peoples work just like in the speed modeling comp threedy has ect

Ilkejav mk5

08-01-2006, 12:01 PM

well, I wasn't gonna vote for myself, it's just that I wanted to make sure that others woudn't so that the judging was fair... you know... don't get funny ideas... :crazy:

Pedro Toledo

08-01-2006, 09:19 PM

Cyrenn - I'm a bit concerned about this score system you proposed.

Lets just say I'm a picky guy, that kind of person that sees flaws everywhere... I have 3 favorite model, of course, but I can see lot's of things that could be better.
So, my first place entry could have a score just like this:

First Place - Artist A
Concept: 4
Model: 7
Texture: 5
Closeness to style: 8
Total= 24

Then, another person with a less careful eye could vote like this:

First Place - Artist B
Concept: 10
Model: 10
Texture: 10
Closeness to style: 10
Total= 40!!!!!!!!!!

This way both artist were on first place according to each voter, but the first vote will be less important than the second at the final score. I don't think it's fair...

We are not professional judges. I don't think we will come up with fair scores at the end.

I believe this is the reason people didn't start to vote yet.

Hope it helps!... And sorry for being so picky! :roll:

TheWinterLord

09-01-2006, 01:45 AM

Yeh I was actually thinking something like that also... I think you Cyrenn if you can can find someone professional who can make 1 vote for each. and the more people that you tell to do this the better (a number around 5-10 Im thinking of). It should probably be people with your trust otherwise I can create multiple accounts and vote for myself (I WONT DO THAT).

plz read carefully what i put in the brakets to avoid confusion that might arise ty :)

Ilkejav mk5

09-01-2006, 02:04 AM

yup, I totally agree with pedro, I mean, the voting probably shouldn't be up to the contestants, because obviously the majority of the viewers of this thread are contestants and they tend to have a different idea of each models, having seen them through the design process... IMO the voting should come up to impartial outsiders... maybe even Mods from threedy...

Pedro Toledo

09-01-2006, 02:29 AM

I wasn't thinking about outsiders, since it always take time and effort to judge art work... It's not so easy to find people willing to judge anything.

I don't see any problem about ourselfs judging everybody's work, as it happens on the speed modeling and speed paint challenges.

I just don't agree with the score idea. I believe if each of us just chose 1st, 2nd and 3rd place, even if it's not a professional choice, it's a democratic choice.

About creating multiple users, if I'm not wrong just users registered before the beggining of each contest are allowed to vote.

Cyrenn

09-01-2006, 02:49 AM

Well when it comes to voting, for example you know your favorite models out of the 3 will end up with the highest tototal, make sure you have all 3 listed with the proper scores that should be written down. For example say your favorite model has a score of 38. Model 2 will of course have a lower score of maybe 32 and Model 3 would be lower at a 29.

As for people trying to make multiple accounts. I suppose if you only have one post under it's name it would look suspicious.

But I will also make a post to the MODS to come join in and help with the voting process.: )

Everyone try to be fair & Honest: ) I believe the BOXX comp had a similar voting procedure: ) Plus they had there own judges as well.: )

Im sure things will pan out fairly: )

Pedro Toledo

09-01-2006, 03:28 AM

Cyren, I don't think people wouldn't try to be fair and honest. That's not the point.

For sure on my top 3 list the first model will have the highest score, followed by the second and third models.

What I meant is that if voter_1 evaluation criteria is more precise and picky, his list could score, I don't know... first place Artist_A-30, the second place Artist_B-27 and the third Artist_C-22.

And someone else, voter_2, with other criteria, may vote like this:
first place Artist_D-40, second Artist_E-39, third Artist_F-38.

If something like this comes to happen, on the final score even the third place from the second voter will be in a better place than the first place from the first voter.

That's what I'm talking about.

Both have voted for first, second and third places, but because on the end what really matters is the score, voter_1 choice will be less important than voter_2 choice.

Did I make myself clear?! :hmm: Sometimes is hard to explain myself in english :)

Cya.

Cyrenn

09-01-2006, 03:43 AM

Yea I understand what you mean Pedro: ) I am also contacting all the MODS, If possibale we might create a small judging team that will come up a majority of the vote: )

So maybe that the publics vote counts for a proportion of the final vote.
But go ahead and continue with this process. As soon as I hear from the other mods, I'm sure we will iron this all out to make the voting process go smoothly: )

TheWinterLord

09-01-2006, 04:05 AM

ok that sounds great Cyrenn

Cyrenn

09-01-2006, 04:16 AM

Ok I unlocked the voting thread it should be ready : )

TheWinterLord

09-01-2006, 04:19 AM

ok, edited after Cyrenn edited the post above...

question :???: Btw Cyrenn ur My space Profile link is blocked by the internet provider here in the UAE, Etisalat blocks inapropiate sites usually, I dont ge why yours is blocked... to bad for me i guess,:wall: i can view it when i go to sweden.. :lame:

Ilkejav mk5

09-01-2006, 06:48 AM

Nibby

11-01-2006, 11:41 AM

hi guys, congrats to all those who finnished. i as you may notice have nothing final to show. i'm gonna keep working on it tho and i'll post a pic when its done (pity i didnt make the deadline).

I'm looking forward to the next comp and deffinatly like the sound of the vehicle/mount and rider/pilot idea some of you have been tossing around. so that gets my vote if anyone is tallying up.

i'll be sure to visit the voting thread when i've had some time to really think abount my choices. there are a few close ties in there.

Anyway, well done to everyone who tried ;0)

MonteCristo

11-01-2006, 05:08 PM

Ok, I may be asking for too much here, but another thing I thought about is that the score only represents the three winners therefore, the winners will have like 300 something cummulative points while the runners up will have zero... I mean, this probably happens in every competition but it's kinda unfair for that noob who worked on his model for hours, but just doesn't have the experience the other pros have, and ends up with a score of zero, with no appreciation of the work... I think after the final scores have been counted and all the judging been done, cyrenn should post and approximation of every model's "would-be" score so that everyone can have a general judging of their work, instead of having a bunch of model getting awesome reviews, and the others being candidly ignored...

[edit] Awesome! reviews have started, i'll go check them out right now! :haha:
That's a fair point that you make there Ilkejav mk5, but we have to draw the line somewhere. This used to be the old style of voting for the competitions because we felt it was fairer. It also made it less possible for people with kick a$$ skills to stamp on the rest of the crowd, even if their actual concept and approach to the project weren't well thought out. Hopefully this method allows participants of a lesser skill to stand out once in a while, simply because they thought hard about their model. It does require some honesty on behalf of the voters though.

We'll see how it works out this time, and if it's too much of a grind we'll try something else. Remember, these competitions are only in the baby stages.

BiG ToE-3DT

11-01-2006, 05:27 PM

Since no-one is voting, we have nothing to worry about.

MonteCristo

12-01-2006, 01:14 AM

Yup, Thanks for punctuating your point by not voting either :grr:

BiG ToE-3DT

12-01-2006, 02:28 AM

No problem Monte, on another note, for the next contest, I see you did the Mega Man bad guy, so maybe its time for a super hero.

Nibby

12-01-2006, 03:01 AM

hi guys heres my entry (HAHAHA), i laugh as its about 2 weeks too late.
well its as done as its gonna get. i'm not gonna rig it as i made some bad choices along the way and am not too happy with the way the model turned out...time to admit defeat and move onto the next.

even tho its not in the contest i would appriciate some crits.

MonteCristo

12-01-2006, 07:34 PM

:roll: We have something waaay cool for the next contest. But erm... :roll: unless people can be bothered to vote in these competitions, I'm not sure whether we'll bother to run another. That would be a shame, the next one is gonna be really fun! :D

And by the way, even though the new voting process is longer, I have at least noticed that people are being rewarded for their concept, as well as their skills. Seems farier to me.

Come on guys, I've even written the voting layout to copy and paste into a new message, it's not that hard y'know.

Nibby - Shame you didn't get to enter this one, the topology is pretty tight. The render is too dark though, which makes it hard to see the texture properly, but it looks like you did a good job. The eyes are staring a bit, I'm not sure whether the bright whiteness of them is too bright. In some ways, that kinda works, it reminds me of the eyes in all the Hieroglyphiccs.

Nibby

12-01-2006, 10:06 PM

yeah the eyes are a little bright i think i'll adjust them when i do a render for my portfolio. those above are just screen grabs probly why they ended up so dark.

i'm itching for the next contest........when, when, when.....heheh....its like x-mass all over again.

Cyrenn

13-01-2006, 02:25 AM

We need people to vote: ) Otherwise as Monte said it might not be worth to do the next comp. I mean the last one did really great. Imagine how this up-coming contest will turn out: )

I mean just take the time to vote on our artist work. If you think about it they shard alot of there knowledge with everyone: ) In return we should at leastreturn the favor and vote & crit on there hard work: )

Ilkejav mk5

13-01-2006, 03:22 AM

I talked with a few threedy members about voting and most of them said the voting process was too long... that's not MY opinion of course... cuz I took the time to vote as well as I could...

Nappa

13-01-2006, 03:25 AM

I talked with a few threedy members about voting and most of them said the voting process was too long... *cough*Nappa*cough*... that's not MY opinion of course... cuz I took the time to vote as well as I could...

I like the fact i can Simply point and click on a Voting bar or something like that Its quick i dont have to hunt thought the Thread for the concepts ect then go back to the voting thread to post

Plus All the Finsih Renders Dont have the Finshes Shot plus the Wire and the Concept Like i was stated in the rules so i though......Cyrenn "Final Pictures:
You must show your original concept.

You must provide a screen grab of your wire frame with your poly count.: )
With the actual model and all its parts selected.: ) Please don’t Photoshop your Poly counter with a bogus count LOL! I swear I seen some pics with a
Photoshoped Poly count : (
Also provide at least 2 rendered pictures of your model with weapon in Hand.
Even better try to composite a nice art piece similar to the ones in the MEGA MAN CONTEST : )"

Thats just me nic picking thats all i'll vote just to insure that the comps Stay running Before the last comp the low poly fourm Died really Died

Khorne

13-01-2006, 04:59 AM

Hi!

I'm sorry for being such a slow voter. But better late than never. :)

I think the reason for waiting, or hesitating, was that Cyrenns 1st post is not sparkling clear about who is invited to vote. Just the competitors or any random visitor? Both it looks like, but the easy sollution for anyone who wonders about this is not to vote. Or at least wait and see what others do.

Its also a bit hard to accurately judge the entries in the four cathegories unless you really know what you are talking about. You sort of risk to make a fool out of your self.

Im sorry if this sound harsh critisism. I loved the whole competition, but I think the voting process could need some improvement. For the next competition I suggest that a number of hand picked pros from the forum are inviteted to vote such as in this competition. And in addition that any visting member for the forum can judge by a simpler point and click system. The pros votes can count 50% of the total and the rest also 50%. This sounds about fair to me. :)

And one more thing. For how long will the voting last?

BiG ToE-3DT

13-01-2006, 07:20 AM

Screw the voting.

It doesn’t matter who wins or loses. If you modeled a character you are proud of, learned something new, and most importantly, had fun. Then that’s what you did the competition for. All your hard work wasn’t to see if you were better than someone, it was to get better than you were. And if you need a score when its all said and done, then you have forgotten what art is all about.

But then that’s my opinion. Next week, I’ll be starting a new model, if it’s for a new competition with all of you, or by my self. I’m done waiting.

SamuraiJack

13-01-2006, 07:54 PM

Dear mods and associated god like beings, smite the big toe on the granite doorstep of worship! :smug:

We have to vote its the rules of the compo. If you want more numbers, then................................

Put a link to the posts on the frontpage if you want votes!

and maybe a gallery page?

Off to vote! (Oi! stop looking at my ballot slip!) :haha:

Peace.

MonteCristo

14-01-2006, 08:19 PM

LOL! Hey, Big Toe has a fair point, it's really the taking part the counts. But I think we may look at expanding this contest over the coming year, so we need to figure a few things out. Our main rationale here is that we want all users to feel like their efforts may be recognised if they take part, that way we will attract more participation form front page plugs. We'll probably advertise the next comp, because it's sure to draw an interested crowd. I can't waaaait... Ooh the suspense. Wazzitgonnabe? Wazzitgonnabe?

TheWinterLord

14-01-2006, 11:26 PM

:cry: ... Ahh two weeks and the next competition isnt started yet, my stumek hurts and there is nothing I can do about it. :smug:

hehe, how many votes do you guys want anyways? :)

MonteCristo

15-01-2006, 01:52 AM

I think there's enough now. Look, if Cyrenn ain't done the business by tomorrow, I will. He's really busy with some work right now, so I may need to help him out. Anyways, I will be writing the new brief tomorrow.

I'll give you a hint...

Wolf, Raven, Mantis, Ocelot, Pain, Fury, Fatman, Vamp, End, Sorrow....

What do all these words have in common?

I can almost taste how fun this one's gonna be...

BiG ToE-3DT

15-01-2006, 04:13 AM

Those words have nothing in common with a rider/driver and his or her vehicle/animal. But then they could, just matter if you word it right.

You will word it right, RIGHT Monte?

Nappa

15-01-2006, 04:26 AM

METAL GEAR WOOOT i thought u would bring that idea back seeing you bride us with a tutorail that already was in the tutorial section on 3dtotal just to get that topic :P

TheWinterLord

15-01-2006, 06:24 AM

Hehe this does sound intresting, however i dont know what it can be.. metal gear? lol the re is some random words there hehe :)

Nappa

15-01-2006, 07:45 AM

Metal gear is the short way to say the title of a most popular game called Metal gear solid. If you dont know what that is google it

TheWinterLord

15-01-2006, 01:44 PM

Yes i know the game, (I have a pc dvd version of it) but i cant see the connection with the hint from MonteCristo-3DT with that game. But ofcourse I have a feeling I will be wrong just because. :)

Im sure it would appeeal to many to model something metal gear solid like, but it would not "draw an interested crowd."as MonteCristo-3DT was talking about.

Jedianakinsolo

15-01-2006, 06:03 PM

I haven't voted yet because I'm not sure which one I like the best.... I need to make up my mind.

Pedro Toledo

15-01-2006, 06:29 PM

I agree with winterlord, I'm not so attracted to the metal gear solid idea. But that's just me, I know there are millions of fans.

Anyway, I may not be here for the beggining of the new challenge. I'm going to spend two weeks at my mother's, she lives quite far from my house and it's been a long time since the last time I visited her. We are not going to stay at her house actually, we are going to the beach where there are no computers... Therefore, no internet!

I'm going today (15th) and will be back friday 27th. So, I will probably be there when the results of the assassin challenge get defined.

So, I wish many more voters take part of it, best luck to everybody, and I'll see you in a couple of weeks! :)

Bye!