Comp #11 (FALL DOWN, GET UP)

[BiG ToE-3DT]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g129/DJBiGToE/fallingdown.jpg


_Falling Down_


The idea,
Alrighty then, it’s time to bring life to a character. I want to see a character fall down. But not just any fall. Lets be as creative as we can with this one. Make this as original as you can. Use props if you need/want to. If you want, to add music. But don’t post anything that looks like a normal fall. Falling is easy, you always find the ground. So to spice it up, your character needs to get back up. Have fun with it. If you don’t have a character to animate, you can find one on the net(let us know you didn’t model it).
_Rules_

- The due date is August 5th, (two weeks from now) a Saturday 11pm(GMT). Voting will be on that Sunday. Post your final entry’s in the Final Entry Thread.

- Minimum animation: your animation needs to be at least 6 seconds.

- Recommended screen resolution in 320x240 (you can do 640x480 if you want, but why would you).

- You can post W.I.P.s but you are only allowed one complete entry. That link is also final. You can and should post your wip’s to get help.

- Websites where you post your finals is up to you.

- Remember, it's about animation, use your time for animation, not to get the best render possible, unless you can afford it.

- Use of plug-ins not allowed. Must be key framed (hand animated)

- Try to use Quicktime or Divx if possible.

- You must post a render of some sort with your final entry post; also include a screen grab with key frames. No CHEATING.

- Voting will be as follows -

Pick your favorite animation. You will get to pick your favorite. At the end of the polling, whoever gets the most votes wins. Add any crits of final entry’s in the final entry thread.



Good luck!


BiG ToE

[capitan_popo]

cool one! see what people can come up with:!!!:

[Diabolos]

LOL, where did you get that picture? I know it's not polite to laugh until you see that the person is ok, but that is funny. I'll see what I can do in the remaining days I get back from vacation.

Good Luck,

D,

[Mikademius]

Picture looks pretty staged to me :)
So falling down and getting up. Great challenge!

[hammering3D]

it will be really funny to see this competiton...

uuuuu ... I must put myself to study more :D...

Bye now...I'm goging to the ruff (to study :D) ... see U down ;P

[martimus]

bagsy the kip up!

[Diabolos]

bagsy the kip up!
:???: eh - please translate.....

it's not the falling, but the getting back up that is the hard part.

D,

[martimus]

http://breakdancecrew.com/move.php?move=38

btw im off to whitby tomorrow until saturday, so I wont be around for a week. Good luck everyone, see you next week!

[hammering3D]

hmmm I see more ppl are bussy an week ... maybe instead of take a brake one week and some ppl bored to dead :D .. let's do it 3 week chalnege...cause I not think some will actualy work 3 weeks non-stop and is not fair for that are free only 2 weeks...

So I gues is fair for evrybody ... for ppl that no want brake...and for ppl that want a brake....what do u say ?


it's just a trought...don't shoot the mesanger :D

[martimus]

3 weeks is too long

[BiG ToE-3DT]

3 weeks is too long.

[capitan_popo]

3 weeks is too long

[XYZ]

3 weeks is too short :D

nah,, just kidding, I think 2 weeks is enough,,

I am plannig to be the first one!,, no more procastination .. no more!..

[hammering3D]

ok ok :D ... sorry ;P

[Mikademius]

I'll present my idea as fast as I can so noone snaps them out of my hands :p
Then I have to borrow a camera to shoot reference and I also need to model/rig some props. Maybe I can get that done tonight... Hope so. No time to waste.

[KL-Maverick]

2 weeks is just right!!

[XYZ]

I'll present my idea as fast as I can so noone snaps them out of my hands :p
Then I have to borrow a camera to shoot reference and I also need to model/rig some props. Maybe I can get that done tonight... Hope so. No time to waste.


Be carefull if you are planning to shoot yourself falling as a reference :smug: at least try to fall on something soft.. haha.

[hammering3D]

OMG I'm such a loser :wall: ...hehe...if U get sick of my stupidies pls tell me and I stop post until I get better ... :ugh: ...I'll not be upsed honest...

First stupid WIP (http://clips2.vimeo.com/video_files/2006/07/24/vimeo.169117.896352.wmv)

1) Be ware if u are good and talented in animaiton this clip cood ofend and harm u'r inteligence :D ...
2) no talent or study have been harm in this Wip ;P

:evil:

[BiG ToE-3DT]

Hammer, great start. But, when the guy throws his/her/its punch, there should be some kind of weight behind it. Meaning, you don't just push straight out, you pull back first, then let him have it.

The fall looks good, but he needs more bounce when he lands, also you migh twant him to slide a bit from the force that knocked him down.

The get up, he just pops up like nothing is wrong. Unless you can stand up the way he did, then shouldn't either. Get down on the floor and sstand up, try to copy that.

[hammering3D]

tnx alot BiG ToE, I working now on u'r advice...

[Mikademius]

hammer: Ey, you starteed alreay :) That's great.
A few tips when it comes to punching. When you deliver a punch you use the upper body to drive the punch so: Upper body first, then arm. The power lies in your upper body.

Hold the anticipation longer so we expect a superpunch. If you want to knock someone over you ahve to charge up the punch first ;)

Here's my character for this comp:
-> The Chinese farmer that just minds his own business when he is shot in the chest. With what, how or if he'll make it; you'll have to stick around to see :)

http://www.final3.com/images/3dtotal/animationContests/fall/FAL1_00_presentationPose_MA.jpg

[de4dy]

hammering3D:Nice start not that bad :)

[mon_stdnt]

I'm totally in, but I have a couple of concerns about modifiers. Can I use a modifier to do wheel spinning? Cause my character is going to ride a scooter.

[BiG ToE-3DT]

wheel spin, thats fine, but the main character needs to be hand animated.

[Mikademius]

Be carefull if you are planning to shoot yourself falling as a reference :smug: at least try to fall on something soft.. haha.

Haha, Actually, that's exactly what I plan to do... ;)

[XenoAcid]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/Acid/fallComp001.jpg

Real early WIP. Just started last night.

[mon_stdnt]

XenoAcid thats going to be interesting to see. looking foward to it.

Here's a rough render for the competiton. don't mind the character in a complete still, didn't animate him until that point.

5seconds wait on the bottom of the screen.
http://www.4shared.com/file/2700644/c6fe6319/rough_render.html

[XYZ]

XenoAcid, cant wait to se your guy fall down the stairs,, that will be funny.

mon_stdnt , I think the impact of the bike against the rock should be stronger,, hope u fix that,, it looks ok already, good luck.

[Mikademius]

mon_stdnt: Good start. Bike already commented. It would be smart to rig that one with several pivots so you can get it to rotate correctly around that rock.

Here is my first round of blocking... I still have some trouble with the timing, but I have to go to bed now :) Probably back with more tomorrow. I will focus on the blocking of the fall till It feels right.

Here is a screenshot with a handsome hunk acting out the shot ( Me :) )

http://www.final3.com/images/3dtotal/animationContests/fall/FAL1_01_blocking_nrOne_MA.jpg

And here's the link to the animation:

>>LINK TO ANIMATION<< (http://www.final3.com/video/3dtotal/animationContests/fall/FAL1_00_blocking_nrOne_MA.mov)

So far you can see the chinese is getting shot and falls to the ground. First he gets the arrow in his chest, then sees it and falls down. Tough guy eh?

[mon_stdnt]

Very nice, you should make his right shoulder push back( a reaction from the force of he arrow) or fall back instead of getting shot and falling straight down. Just don't hurt your self if your going to re-create it. :hurt: ;)

Thank for the comment, I'm planning on hitting the rock. If I have time I'll make another one.

[XenoAcid]

Didn't get much done today. Still setting up the fall sequence...Oh joy -_-;

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v380/Acid/fallComp02.jpg

[Mikademius]

mon_stdnt:
Thx. Yeah, I was thinking that I need a small step backwards to counter the force from the arrow. I will try this:
- He gets shot and in the pose where he sees the arrow his right foot goes back
- Then his left foot goes behind the right foot regaining balance and then he tips and falls.
(This will also remove the look of the left foot beeing glued to the ground...)

My chest hurts after shooting reference :p

XenoAcid: Look forward to seeing some actual animation here :)

[mon_stdnt]

No problem Mikademius

Here's an update for the challenge. I feel that is to fast or maybe that the clip is to short. C&C are welcome.
http://www.4shared.com/file/2716037/c30aeba/rough_render2.html
It will be the last update until the final posting, don't want to spoil the ending. :smug:

[BiG ToE-3DT]

Mon_stdnt: did you notice your character is falling off before he/scooter hits the rock?

Also, try leaving his feet on the scooter until impact. Or have his feet waving in the wind behind him for the hole thing. It will make the scooter look out of control, instead of a dumb kid running into a rock, on purpose.

[Mikademius]

I'd also work with the camera... Takes away the focus from the animation and makes me dizzy to :p

Here is my second round of blocking. I still struggle with the timing even though I want him to try and stay up at times, it feels unnatural. Here's the link:

CLICK ME (http://www.final3.com/video/3dtotal/animationContests/fall/FAL1_01_blocking_nrTwo_MA.mov)

Big toe ... Where is your anim ?:)

[mon_stdnt]

BiG ToeI've notice, i will probably add something to cover it up :smug:
maybe text like in the old batman show. ex: POW, SLAP

I'd also work with the camera... Takes away the focus from the animation and makes me dizzy to

Mikademius I don't know if that was directed to me, but is true my clip does look pretty fast,although it looks good at 60 fps. I may have to stretch the keyframes to balance the speed, cause I have like 2 1/2 seconds left to fill.

BTW your animation is much better

[BiG ToE-3DT]

2 1/2 seconds. How long does it take you to fall down and get up.

[BiG ToE-3DT]

You will need more than the min, to finish.

[Mikademius]

Mikademius I don't know if that was directed to me, but is true my clip does look pretty fast,although it looks good at 60 fps. I may have to stretch the keyframes to balance the speed, cause I have like 2 1/2 seconds left to fill.


Yeah, it was directed to you :) Don't go crazy with the camera. For a shot like this you could go with a total. It looks good in 60 fps? Why aren't you shooting in pal or ntsc?

BTW your animation is much better

Thanks :) Hopefully I can get the fall nailed soon so I can move over to the "getting up" part

[Mikademius]

Am I the only one still animating?...

Here's todays work. Figured that he has to struggle because he does not want to fall... The end of this clip is just a few frames before he passes out, then it's.. BOOM into the ground. He gets dizzy from the loss of blood and the shock before falling, hence the jiggling...

ROUGH #1 (1.12MB) (http://www.final3.com/video/3dtotal/animationContests/fall/FAL1_02_rough_MA.mov)

Here's what I have to fix:
-> His hip needs to get forward when he regains balance the first time...
-> I need to stage the hit faster so the reaction is more like. THUD!!! and not thuuud like it's now...

Other than that I'm pretty happy with the output. Do not look forward to doing the arms.. Head should be fun, but arms are hard...

Later people, now come on... I feel like I'm talking to myself here :ugh:

[XenoAcid]

Haha. I'm still animating too, no worries. Don't have anything uploaded though, might do that when I get back from work. Love the stumble backwards by the way. Keep it up =)

[BiG ToE-3DT]

I would animate but I'm in the middle of a low poly comp that ends Friday the 28th.

Which Reminds me, could all of you fine artist stop by the low poly final entry thread sometime saturday and vote for me.

Or someone else, whatever.

[XenoAcid]

Hm, let's see if this works. Just a heads up, it's not stepped, and is far from done.

http://www.4shared.com/file/2752035/98dcfe01/fallcomp018.html

[BiG ToE-3DT]

XenoAcid: there are two things I need to say

1: he has a real cartoony walk, which I like, but to keep the toon feel threw the whole animation, I would try to drag out the fall more, meaning, at the top of the stairs right when he is about to fall, I w ould have him on the edge looking down wit harms waving feet trying to move back, but can't get any grip. Then he falls.

2:It would be funny to see him fall down the stairs, pop up out of the roll and keep on walking like he meant to do that.

[mon_stdnt]

The clip is very good. And I think, just guesting here, but the robot actually meant to do that because he actually went for it the body language).

It would be nice, like ToE mention, to have him wave his limbs to catch balance, but can't. LIKE THIS ANIMATION (http://www.4shared.com/file/2757218/e001c462/The_jump.html)

[XenoAcid]

Alright cool. Thanks for the input. I havn't really consentrated on the arm movement yet, so adding that wouldn't be an issue. =)

[Mikademius]

BiG ToE-3DT: I'll stop by to vote... But right now my vote is in the hand of that "thumbmonster" :)

XenoAcid: I didn't feel he intended to fall like some suggested. However I feel that you started the fall too obvious. He doesn't even trip...

[BiG ToE-3DT]

BiG ToE-3DT: I'll stop by to vote... But right now my vote is in the hand of that "thumbmonster" :)



You might want to talk to the guy that did it, cause, he's not done yet. Although he has a few hours left.

[BiG ToE-3DT]

here is the link to the final entry thread for the low poly comp. http://forums.3dtotal.com/showthread.php?t=44044

incase some of you can't find it on your own. Voting over there is different compared to here, but everything will be spelled out for you ounce the deadline is reached.

[capitan_popo]

here is a wip of my naimation for this challange tell me what u guys think, relly like some of the works that have benn putup for this challgage, ehre is the link http://www.vimeo.com/clip:91956

[mon_stdnt]

Good start and very similar to mine.
Couple of tweaks to make:
your animation is 11s long, it should be 6s.
I can't really notice if, when the character turns to wave and turns his head, does he turn it back? I would assume that he didn't cause he crashes :smug: .
Also when he is about to hit the log the bike feels like it slowed down pretty drastically to fly out like it did.
good job though

BTW Big ToE: that's a awesome good low-poly character. You can't really tell that it is.

[BiG ToE-3DT]

capitan_popo: first let me say it doesn't need to be 6 seconds long, it has to be at least 6 seconds long. After saying that, yours seems too long. You need to get to the point faster. He drives the hell out of the bike, then has time to say hi. He should be saying hi when the clip starts. Other than that, good job.

Mon-Stdnt: at least 6 seconds, not 6 seconds total. Also, thanks for the comment about the model.

[BiG ToE-3DT]

I'm going to use the model I just finished for the low poly comp. Show everyone what those little feet can do.
http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g129/DJBiGToE/layout002small.jpg

[XenoAcid]

God how I hate modeling. Heh, but this should definately be interresting. :dance:

[Mikademius]

Big Toe: Looks pretty cool man! Maybe I have to vote for you :D
Damn it, didn't get to animate all weekend. Just the hips during the fall...

[BiG ToE-3DT]

you should vote, even if its not for me.

[martimus]

hey guys im back! Had a lovely time in staiths, in case anyones interested you can see our exploits in a photo blog we have set up of the trip, you can see it here (http://moblog.co.uk/blogs.php?show=9727)

cant wait to get started on this one, tho i dont have much time left!

stop spamming big toe you fiend!

[BiG ToE-3DT]

haha. you got a week Martimus. I changed the deadline to Saturday. For all you slackers out there.

[BiG ToE-3DT]

here is a little taste of what I'm working on. Though I may not finish. Got alot going on over here.
http://www.mysharefile.com/v/8566126/1_test_fall.avi.html

[XenoAcid]

Wow, he bounces alot when he hits the floor.

[BiG ToE-3DT]

yeah, I'm working on that.

He is a goofy looking monster so I'm trying to make this funny.

[capitan_popo]

hahahahaha big toe funny man ,he looks dumb how he walks hahahaha

[martimus]

damn it, looks like ill only have friday and saturday to complete this!

but then if it wasnt a struggle it wouldnt be a speed animation would it!

[Mikademius]

I have to animate like a monkey on speed on saturday to manage this... I have arms and head in the "fall" part left and EVERYTHING on the "get up" part....

Big Toe:... Hips...

[Diabolos]

I'mmmm baaacckkkkkkkk - lol - will try to get something done.......

D,

[Mikademius]

How was Norway ? :)

[Diabolos]

How was Norway ? :)

Thanks, very cool! Cool scenery, great weather, cool chicks, but the speed limit was killing me - as soon as I crossed the German border, I floored my car to 240khm until the next speed limit sign. Next time I will fly to Andelsnas and rent a car from there - it took 32 straight hours from my apartment to my house in vistdal - thank god for iPod and iTrip............. we stopped in Oslo for a beer, but I didn't see any crazy norwegian (or ani monkeys for that matter) guy with a laptop making SAC's.

Also, the norwegians have one main thing in common with me - hotrods|American Muscle............. I saw so many cool cars - it made me homesick.

D,

[XenoAcid]

Seems like I won't get done since I'm leaving later today to go to Virginia. I'll submit what I have later on. =/ Now off to packing.

[Ian8811946]

this seems like a really cool topic. BiG ToE-3DT I like your monster movements so far. I wish I could animate, ill have to look into a few tutorials on rigging and I need to find out how to link different animations together, that 100 frames just never seems to be enough. then I gotta make some sort of model to animate. oh, are we aloud to use bipeds? (im using 3ds max 8), also can we reuse models/rigs for different topics?

[Mikademius]

Thanks, very cool! Cool scenery, great weather, cool chicks, but the speed limit was killing me - as soon as I crossed the German border, I floored my car to 240khm until the next speed limit sign. Next time I will fly to Andelsnas and rent a car from there - it took 32 straight hours from my apartment to my house in vistdal - thank god for iPod and iTrip............. we stopped in Oslo for a beer, but I didn't see any crazy norwegian (or ani monkeys for that matter) guy with a laptop making SAC's.

Also, the norwegians have one main thing in common with me - hotrods|American Muscle............. I saw so many cool cars - it made me homesick.

D,


Yeah, we like to keep our people alive on the road :p
Åndalsnes and up has the most amazing nature.... I went from Åndalsnes to Ålesund once and I was just shocked... It is so beautiful!

The crazy anim-monkeys are inside :p

The reason you saw so many cool cars was because Norway's biggest street cars event took place while you were here :)

[martimus]

that 100 frames just never seems to be enough.

LMAO

dude, thats just the standard length max sets the timeline to when you open it up, if you want your animtions to be longer, just click the little time icon in the bottom right corner of the window and you can set the animation length to whatever your heart desires.

:D

In terms of biped, sure you can use it. and other rigs? yep, so long as you dont claim credit for the rig itself.

these challenges are about animation, not rigging

[BiG ToE-3DT]

this is true.

I'm starting my renders people. For everyone leaving me, I'll make a finbal thread so you can post what you got.

[martimus]

holy moley!

best get started soon then...!

[hammering3D]

...so I wish in here to an Happy Birthday Diabolos

[Ian8811946]

haha thanks martimus cant belive I didnt see that. I thought I had to do something with the curve editor witch just boggles my mind when I look at it. I havnt really looked into animation too much at all really, just posed a few bipeds and stuff. think ill have a go now! very doubtful that ill have an entry for this topic tho :dunno:

[BiG ToE-3DT]

you better have something I already put your name in the poll for voting.


Well, I really didn't, but I am.

[Diabolos]

...so I wish in here to an Happy Birthday Diabolos

Thanks Hammering3D :D

D,

[Diabolos]

you better have something I already put your name in the poll for voting.


Well, I really didn't, but I am.

add me I will definitely try to have something------- can you say "definitely try" or is that an oximoron...........


D,

[martimus]

Hey happy birthday diablos!

Well you should enter something even if its not finished. I havn't started mine yet, but ill enter anyway!

[hammering3D]

Hello ppl,

So I have 2 days to rig and animate :)... :dance: ...I can do it ... nice that U put the deadline to saturday cause alot of ppl are more free saturday to work ...

so finaly I made a model that is ok to rig it ...I model the body looong time ago but did't have a head for her :))...I realy can't model head's specialy woman head's...and finaly now I made an head ... so i have an character to rig...

I know is looking bad but I did't want the best looking model...and I think is OK for animation...and I'm glad I have my own model to rig...

So here is my weapon for this chalenge...I don't know if I stick to what I start with the puch cause I not like to girls to punch echoter...but well...for aniamtion sake maybe they will puch :D...

:wave:

[ItsaMystery]

Happy Birthday, D! :haha:

[Mikademius]

Ok, this is what I have so far. I realized that if I'm going to make the deadline I can't tweak tweak tweak... I have to let certain things pass through the qualityfilter :) I am working with the arms while falling now, but tomorrow I have to go fast forward on the get up part :)

ANIMATION : ROUGH 3 (http://www.final3.com/video/3dtotal/animationContests/fall/FAL1_03_rough_MA.mov)

[mon_stdnt]

That was great, I like the "end" were he puts his hand on his forehead, all dramatic and struff. Looking good, just the "hat", cause is going through the floor.

[Diabolos]

Martimus | ItsaMystery -thank you for the bday greet.........

About the this weeks challenge - I didn't get very far, my work saw to that - I guess that's why I have this big iron chain around my leg, and this barcode tatoo on the back of my neck...

I am looking forward to mondays challenge - or whenever the new one starts.

D,

[Mikademius]

That was great, I like the "end" were he puts his hand on his forehead, all dramatic and struff. Looking good, just the "hat", cause is going through the floor.

Thanks. The hat and shovel aren't animated yet. That's just a constraint switch. I have to focus on the big parts to get it done. :)

The dramahand was something I came up with at work when we talked about the fall. It suddenly struck me that he HAD to do that. hehe

[de4dy]

Wow nice work ppl

request: could some one PM a tutorial on how to full rig thx

[Mikademius]

I still don't get why people spend their time rigging and modeling during an animation contest...

[martimus]

yeah i know what you mean.

tho i think for the next one ill make my own rig, the weird alien character rig that comes with max is beginning to annoy me, the damn thing has 3 seperate rotation helpers for the neck! no need!

man im rushing this one, i hope i get it done on time i only started this afternoon!

heres what ive got so far

test number one (www.mw-3.com/speed/test1.avi)

[hammering3D]

we still have 4 hours right Big Toe ?

I still don't get why people spend their time rigging and modeling during an animation contest...

Is the same reason why ppl texture and lighting the models in a speed MODELING competiton ...even if are alowed CLAY renders ... just to learn all they can...

1) they learn from modeling chalege not only modeling but texture and lighting to...
2) they learn form aniamtion chalenge ... not only to aniamte but to rig to...
3) if ppl liek me not done in they life an full organic character...maybe we take that chance to have our own coleciton of litle guys full riged and play with them ...that girl from above is my first compleat organic model I have made...so if I rig her I have a rig model in my colection for future use...in speed aniamtion and other projects ...

If i was having couples of modes and I have done in past some god riging...now U cood cont of me using them or using free rigs and models ... but I just want to learn ... and U said to learn rig and modeling in other time not for speed chalenge ? ...well now evry day it will be a speed chalenge...exept sunday (when maybe special in summer ppl not stay at PC)... so I must split my time and make a schedule in the 2 weeks that a contest is ON...for working...eting ... sleaping ... modeling...learn riging...and for speed aniamtion...etc...so for U to be relax and not worry abut ppl waste their time...I model and rig in other time not in time alocate for speed aniamtion ;P ;P ;P...so or THIS or just work in sunday only for riging or I shood wait couple of years till maybe the speed animation stop and after that I start learning riging ? ;P...so relax I not waste any second of time for speed aniamtion...:D

[Mikademius]

And this time, try to get the "vote for animations" on frontpage so we get more votes than 11... :) The guy in charge can't be on vacation still, can he?

[BiG ToE-3DT]

4 or so more hours, and they don't do voting for the front page.