Speed Animation #14 (Fight Move)

[BiG ToE-3DT]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g129/DJBiGToE/1Mortal-Kombat-Deception-screen17.jpg

_Fight Move_


The idea,
The last little challenge earned its name. It was tough, but sound good stuff was the result. Now, on to the future. It has come to my attention that many of us play video games and in this revelation, the idea of a fight move was brought to my mind. This fight move can be either a basic move that you would see in a game like Mortal Kombat, Dungeons and Dragons, etc. It can even be a finishing move. A move so violent that the opponent receiving this brutal beating has no choice but to give away the life he tried so hard to keep. Or it can be both. Blood or no blood, nasty or cute, it’s all up to you. If you want, add music. Don’t make this harder than it sounds. If you have a question about anything, ask it. I don’t want people animating for a week and a half to find out what they are doing is wrong.

_Rules_

- The due date is September 30th, (three weeks from now) a Saturday 11pm(GMT). Voting will be on that Sunday. Post your final entry’s in the Final Entry Thread.

- Minimum animation: your animation needs to be at least 3 seconds.

- Recommended screen resolution in 320x240 (you can do 640x480 if you want, but why would you).

- You can post W.I.P.s but you are only allowed one complete entry. That link is also final. You can and should post your wip’s to get help.

- Websites where you post your finals is up to you.

- Remember, it's about animation, use your time for animation, not to get the best render possible, unless you can afford it.

- Use of plug-ins not allowed. Must be key framed (hand animated)

- Try to use Quicktime or Divx if possible.

- You must post a render of some sort with your final entry post; also include a screen grab with key frames. No CHEATING.

- Voting will be as follows -

First place (3) points
Second place (2) points
Third place (1) points


Good luck!
BiG ToE

[hammering3D]

Liu Kang win ... Finish him ... fatality, animality, babality ;P

[BiG ToE-3DT]

thats the idea. I'm thinking of a devastating PIMP SMACK. with a side order of BACK HAND, with RINGS.

[Diabolos]

Hey BiGToE - can you please explain the new voting points - I don't get it :wall:

Also, any idea how we could shanghai more animators (I could pass out those leather sack things filled with sand [what are they called again]), and we could smack some of the members on the back of the head and make them animate. This is a good topic and should generate more interest - lets hit the frontpage guy to get a plug for this little challenge - I know they don't want to, but maybe a light, but pursuasive smack on the back of the head....... :evil:

Oh and what is our rating G,PG, PG-13, R (I am thinking back in the day when SubZero was in the news)


D,

[BiG ToE-3DT]

The voting is this : you pick first place, give them a number, 0-10, lets say you give me first place with a score of 9. Ok, second place, whoever that is must have a score less than 9, and so on for third place.

Front page, I'll send that dude a link with a heads up.

For everyone else, lets hit the forum hard with links. But you need to do it with style. Go into the animation threads and say wow nice, come here and do that. Something like that.

[Diabolos]

and how gory/bloodie(y)/violent are we allowed to get?

Point system - couldn't we maybe just go with:

1st = 3pts
2nd = 2pts
3rd = 1pt

D,

[arneoog]

Yay, superb topic!
I will start my animating right after my move is planed :D

Good luck everyone!

[BiG ToE-3DT]

This move is rated R, childeren under the age of 16 must sneak in...

Points have been changed.

[Diabolos]

right on - thanks

[Terrarist]

Neji, Rock Lee, Naruto... the list goes on. The possibilities endless. My time has come at last. Do we get extra points if the thrashing is wince inducing?

[arneoog]

I'm Norwegian... how voilent is the R rate?
Could I crush someones head, and rip their back spine out? just an example...

(btw, I'm 16...)

[BiG ToE-3DT]

I'm Norwegian... how voilent is the R rate?
Could I crush someones head, and rip their back spine out? just an example...

(btw, I'm 16...)

no your 18, and the R rating means blood, guts, foul language. Maybe even a sexual reference.

[arneoog]

okay, didn't plan to do that anyway... ...to extreme, heh... :lame: :blah: :hurt: :roll:

Am I 18??? when did that happend? :dunno:

[hammering3D]

hey U all talented ppl, cood u pls help me with this questions ...

http://forums.3dtotal.com/showthread.php?p=498009#post498009

(yeah Ok, kill the spammer) :(

[Freespace-3DT]

Awesome subject. Count me in on this one. :D

[martimus]

Oooh this sounds like fun!

[BiG ToE-3DT]

you better believe it. I'm thinking of mixing Mortal Kombat with alittle...

[martimus]

...nintendogs?

[ItsaMystery]

Oh heckyeah! I'm totally down for this one!

Hmm...*plans out various moves*

Can the "finishing move" as a whole consist of a few shorter/combo moves? i.e. does it have to be a single punch, or could it be like a kick/knee to the groin, punch to the face, and then kiss on the forehead to make the guy fall over from defeat?

[BiG ToE-3DT]

combo's, sounds good to me.

[martimus]

I dont have to have 2 characters If I dont want to right?

Im gonna go for some sort of dragonballz type over the top fireball kind of thing i reckon!

[bryanttan85]

Hi there, i would like to ask if i need to create a character with the quality like above so that i can enter the challenge? or can i join with a simple rigged character with it's animation only?

[BiG ToE-3DT]

you only need one character to do a fight move

and that character can be whatever you want it to be.

[BiG ToE-3DT]

simple rigged character with it's animation only?

what do you mean by animation only.

[martimus]

i think he means do you have to have a finished model, textured etc.

if that is the question then the answer is no you dont, its not about the modelling or texturing skills, its about the animation,

A character made out of just boxes would do for this challenge

[bryanttan85]

Yeah..that's what i mean.. thanks martimus. Hope to see the animation soon~! XD

[SeamZ2B]

speaking of rigs ready for animation - does anyone know where i can get a good rig that i can animate in maya

(i have a good one already generi rig 1.5 but different ones would be good)

[DerekSc]

If you just want a character to animate, try the link below. Package Man and IK Joe v.3 are good (you can switch him from FK to IK if that suits you better). If you want a generic rig to assign to a character, can't help you there, but the tutorials will help if you want to create one yourself (which, if you want to be an animator, you should get in the practice of doing).

http://www.rigging101.com/

[ItsaMystery]

www.3dfiggins.com has a good array of free, pre-rigged models :) That's where I got the ninja I'm using for the comp :P Some of his work is pretty impressive, too :o

[Mikademius]

Shoooryuken!!!

[Diabolos]

www.3dfiggins.com has a good array of free, pre-rigged models :) That's where I got the ninja I'm using for the comp :P Some of his work is pretty impressive, too :o

Great resource tip.......

[ItsaMystery]

Great resource tip.......
:haha: Glad to help. :P

[BiG ToE-3DT]

if we still used rep points, I would hook you up with some.

But we don't, too bad.

[ItsaMystery]

Rep points? :lame:

Oh well, it's the thought that counts ;)

[SeamZ2B]

cheers for the resources - hopefully i can find the time to get an animation in - does anyone know a good website that gives away free time? Pfogh!

[BiG ToE-3DT]

ebay, they sell everything.

[DerekSc]

Rep points? :lame:

Oh well, it's the thought that counts ;)

Yeah, I used to be obviously worth listening to. Now I'm just a schmuck.
And BigToe used to have a reputation beyond repute. Now, there's reputing everywhere! It has to stop! For the love of God, he's beyond it! Beyond repute! Someone has to stop the reputing!

[Diabolos]

Mr. BiGToE, can you please make this a three week one as well - 3 is a good number :crazy: ?

if everyone else agrees as well of course

D,

[anem8or]

sounds good to me making it 3 weeks

[hammering3D]

1) I'm ok with 2 or with 3 weeks anyhow works for me...
2) so we never get our reputation back ?...it was first time when somebody write to me that i'm "smart and well worth chating with" ...

[ItsaMystery]

Works for me :haha:

[Freespace-3DT]

3 weeks is much better; I've got a lot of stuff to do, including going away again for a couple of days;

[Mikademius]

a 3 week speedanimation :p

[SeamZ2B]

yeh stuff ebay (all their free time came with high postage fees) - go the 3 weeks! woop!

[BiG ToE-3DT]

3 it is.

[Freespace-3DT]

Awesome. We humble ones bow to your great wisdom, all knowing BiG ToE.

[BiG ToE-3DT]

the Toe's shadow follows you all.

[ItsaMystery]

Oh my. o_o

*Gets to brainstorming ideas for my awesome combo-move* :haha:

[BiG ToE-3DT]

for all of you awsome enough to be apart of the idel movement comp, keep in mind that you can use that movement as a base(starting point) for this comp.


I promise, I might.

[gordon13]

Souns fun. Would be a good start to animating. Iv done a 1 second animation of a scribble person doing a high kick (literally flat, scribled as if hes made of paper and just drawn on :) ). If I can make it last over 3 seconds, would it be suitable for this comp or is this supposed to be more serious?

[Freespace-3DT]

If you hope of winning something, make it more serious. :haha:

[gordon13]

Heh ok :) .

[BiG ToE-3DT]

incase I didn't say it before, 2D animation is still animation. So feel free to draw your butts off.

[Diabolos]

Look for a huge update coming from me on Monday - I am doing nothing today but 3D - finally a day for me, myself, and Diabolos...............

D,

[SeamZ2B]

thought i might as well post what ive done so far - its not much and its more of what he does before the fight move but its getting there

Click Me (144kb) (http://www.vimeo.com/clip:104398)

[hammering3D]

hehe, it look funny ...

[Diabolos]

No movement yet, but at least here is the environment - I am still trying to pin the final movement I want to do........

D,

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m34/diabolosgermany/dojo01.jpg

[BiG ToE-3DT]

SeamZ2B: the end move of the clip, is he doing the "cut your neck" meaning your a dead man move. If so, you might want to bring the hand down, to his neck. Right now his hand is in his face and it looks like he is biting his thumb then dragging his blood across his face.

[arneoog]

Here is what I've managed to do so far :)
Click to view the animation (http://www.elqx.com/sm/fightmove_sac/FightMove1100.avi)
(size: aproxx. 380 kb, filetype: AVI)

Not quite done, but almost :D

[SeamZ2B]

heh heh - nah big toe - hes pulling the pin out of a grenade - movements not finished yet and the grenade isnt there yet so i can see how it might be a bit confusing :D then that guy is about to bo 'kained' by another dude :hurt:

[Thrillhouse900]

wow, knife to the belly, and a kick in the back...thats a cold finishin move, cold

[Diabolos]

the lower torso is a nightmare - i've got the upper torso down, but man.....

ItsaMystery - have you tried the ninja yet? He seems to have an animation set for the first second or so - do you have the same problem?

D,

[martimus]

yo guys, Ive got a free lance job on that I need to complete in my spare time so I won't have anything for this comp untill its finished.

Ill be along to vote though hopefully, keep up the good work!

[hammering3D]

Lol, BiG ToE, reading what U said to make 2d aniamtion, I was thinking to try one 2D :D, I never really make a gif or any 2D anim in my life ... except my avatar :D, so today in morning I read the think about knife in belly and I come up with this :D...

So if I have time, and my back let me alone ... I'll make an 2D and an 3D anim, and U guys chose wich will be the final entry...(ohh so much to do, I have the angel in low poly to :shy: , )

So here is my concept WIP: 2min one mouse and the photosop ... :shy:

http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/1323/2dfz6.gif

[ItsaMystery]

D - I think I remember having the same problem when I first downloaded it. I think there's a spare keyframe somewhere on this wrist/hand and/or waist around frame 20 or so...it's odd, but once you find where it is it's not too difficult to clean up. I think I have a perfectly clean version of the file if you'd like it, though :)

[Diabolos]

Hey guys, this may be old or already in your favorites, but it's new for me so I wanted to share. It is a forum all about animation for all 3D packages with free rigs and tools............

animationlounge (http://www.animationlounge.com)

D,

[ItsaMystery]

Sweet! Thanks D! :haha:

[victus_maestro]

Arg, missing a good one this time! Life always ends up stealing all of my time to work on 3D stuff when all the good stuff comes along. Nonetheless, maybe I will work on brewing something up even if I won't be able to get it all done by deadline.

Tell me, the challenge is more about the motion than the models, right? So would I be allowed to render just a bone system performing a fight move rather than a rigged character? (Because I've been working on a character to rig, but the process is going just about as well as a viral infection at the moment). However, the rig may be usable.

[DerekSc]

Yep, stick figures and generic rigs are fine. It's all about the animation and not about the models. If you want to do a nice render with nice models and all that, it's always appreciated and can make something people will keep on their desktops and watch over and over again (I'm looking at you Freespace). In the last competition my model and render were complete garbage, but people voted for it anyways (2nd place - thanks again everyone!).
If you're short on time, take a look at some of the links people have posted for free rigs and take one of those instead of struggling to build a rig in time.

[hammering3D]

Well, I continue embarasing myself with stupid things 4years old kid work :drool:...but hope at least make u smile...this is my wish to make something funny...

so here is 2D Update... :hurt: :evil:
http://img115.imageshack.us/img115/1369/2dv1us3.gif

[Freespace-3DT]

Hey guys, I'm doing very bad with free time, but I've managed to put a couple of hours aside for this challenge. I have around 7 seconds of animation for now, nothing too fancy this time. Here are some test renders:

http://www.freespacefilms.com/rt1.jpg

http://www.freespacefilms.com/rt2.jpg

The character is the TITAN from my TITAN Genesis animation. The fight move will be that he activates his wristblade, focuses Genesis energy into it and unleashes a deadly shockwave. Still working on the coreography.

[Freespace-3DT]

Allright, I've increased the lights and changed their colors a bit. Also added some more stuff to the environment. I don't have the patience to render everything yet, but I've made a Preview Animation of what I have so far. Here it is in DivX 6:
www.adenreality.com/~freespace/spprev1.avi

Crits welcome. :)

[SeamZ2B]

wow thats one crazy camera move

[hammering3D]

Freespace I think U like to torture us dont U ? :D...Big Toe, pls BAN him ... :crazy:

[BiG ToE-3DT]

hmmmm. No need he will be going away soon.

[Freespace-3DT]

I'm sorry I can't wait until the FINAL ENTRIES thread is made. Please understand, I'm going away until the 30th and I will not have internet access until then.

So here it is, my FINAL ENTRY, for Fight Move. It's not what I hoped to create, but I ran out of time. Comments are welcome, I'll read them all when I get back, in 10 days.

www.adenreality.com/~freespace/fmove.avi - 3.4 MB DivX 6.3


Screenshot:
http://www.adenreality.com/~freespace/rt3.jpg

Keys for the Biped and certain limbs of the TITAN:
http://www.adenreality.com/~freespace/rtkeys.jpg



BiG ToE-3DT: How did you know I'm going away? I have a train to catch in about 5 hours from now. :D

--- :wave:

[BlackPix]

Damn nice dude o_O

[hammering3D]

Freespace - well I think he know U will leave because we plan togheder to kidnap U, :D...

well leaving the joke behind...man u'r amazing...some day our children will watch Freespace Cartoon's, when Disney come to U plsss not selll cheap :D ... maybe we will be colegues at Pixar, U'll be chief of animation departament and i'll be janitor chief :D

[BiG ToE-3DT]

BiG ToE-3DT: How did you know I'm going away?


It's what I do.

[ItsaMystery]

Insane rendering and lighting you have there, Freespace o_o

The animation was a bit short; I would have liked to see him do another kick or punch or something, but I realize you were short on time.

Awesome job, nonetheless.

Have a fun trip! :wave:

[SeamZ2B]

I think i went overboard with the whole set up of the fight move

heres my update of my WIP - still have to finish of the final fight move and smooth the rest of it out and make it 'fluid'

Click Me (400KB) fight move BD (http://www.vimeo.com/clip:105104)

http://i23.photobucket.com/albums/b373/ProbableCause/fight.jpg

[BiG ToE-3DT]

SeamZ2B: overall motions look good. But when the grenade goes off, the power behind it should toss the little guy farther way. If the blast kills him, then there should be as much movement in his "lifeless" body when he is stabbed.

[jimbojones133]

well, looks like i'm in... good topic this time :) i'm using the ninja rigs that were free for download..

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c9/jimbojones133/ninjas.jpg

[ItsaMystery]

Mmm...ninjas.

[ItsaMystery]

SeamZ2B, the only real comment I have so far is it seems a bit slow paced. Of course, you want to allow us enough time to view each individual animation, but perhaps try speeding things up just a little so that it's one move after another, and will look more like an action-fight scene. Nothing major though, so no big deal if you don't feel like messing with the timing :haha:

[rvg]

Hey everyone...

this is my first entry on a speed animation challenge here at Threedy.com hope y'all enjoy it

Format: mpg
Size: 450kb
Res: 320X240
Characters: 1
Link: http://www.freewebtown.com/rvg_thebest/clips/onimusha.mpg

http://galeon.com/rvg/onimusha.jpg
http://galeon.com/rvg/wip.jpg

[BiG ToE-3DT]

RVG: good job, but make sure when the Final Thread is up that you repost everything in there. If you want, you can still work on it till then.

[rvg]

Thanks Big Toe, could you tell me when is the final thread gonna be up please? I unfortunately haven't got time to work on it more :P Thanks a bunch

[BiG ToE-3DT]

I'll make it now.

[Diabolos]

i'll post mine tomorrow - then I am finally working on my angel OO

D,

you ever know the feeling when you have so much to do that you do not know where to begin-------------

[BiG ToE-3DT]

yep, so just sit back and say to yourself, "Self, what is due first?" Then do it.

[ItsaMystery]

Good advice...

[BiG ToE-3DT]

it's the only advice I know how to give. hehe

[DerekSc]

Jimbo: The animation looks good, the only problem I have is the weight in the kick itself, he seems to be just touching him with it. It would have more weight if you showed it hit, slow (as it pushes against the other guy), and follow through (full extension) before starting to pull back. Even without the follow through, it should stop on impact for a few frames before starting to come back.
Nice use of the hips to put power into it, well done, now we just need to see that power on impact.
If you've got a few minutes, think about looking at that. IMHO, that would make it look fantastic. Good work overall!

[DerekSc]

rvg: Looks nice, but with the camera movement, it's hard to see what he's doing. Perhaps think about putting him in a simple environment (so we have some sort of visual reference), or not moving the camera around so we know all the movement is coming from the character itself. I like the attacks, nice entry for your first time here.

[BiG ToE-3DT]

http://i55.photobucket.com/albums/g129/DJBiGToE/010.jpg

[Diabolos]

oh man, I have been working for like 36 straight hours and I have a full day ahead of me still - what are you doing up BiGToE????

Look nice BTW, your render......but on water? I guess we will have to see the final ani....

D,

[ItsaMystery]

Sweet render...looking forward to seeing your anim :P

[BiG ToE-3DT]

it's all show, no go.

The idea is like they are ninja, able to walk on water and fight on water. One guy is tired from hours of battle, while the other is just getting started.

[DerekSc]

Just so you know I'm in this for real, my work in progress:

http://www.schafferworld.com/movies/ds_fight_temp.avi

Yeah, IK Joe isn't pretty, but damn that rig works well.

[jimbojones133]

thanks for the advice DerekSc... yeah you are completely right, there should be at least 2 or 3 frames with impact.. im too busy to make the changes before tomorrow, but i'll prolly fix it later...

your progress is going really well, the only thing i saw was at the end when he kicks.. his head jerks to the left side very fast. when you kick, the head rotates on the y, like the chin comes to the chest and then back up... doesn't seem like it should move that fast and abrupt to any side..

but lookin good, it is very smooth, can't wait to see what you and the others come up with tomorrow..

[BiG ToE-3DT]

ok, so here is my problem, I went for the nice render, instead of the nice animation. About 240 frames, but the longest render time for one of those frames is 44 minutes, I may be pushing the deadline.

Think I might even add some FX to draw your eye away from the motion.

[martimus]

I went for the nice render, instead of the nice animation

:eek: :grr:

[DerekSc]

ok, so here is my problem, I went for the nice render, instead of the nice animation. About 240 frames, but the longest render time for one of those frames is 44 minutes, I may be pushing the deadline.

Think I might even add some FX to draw your eye away from the motion.

Are you officially asking for an extension? Cause if you are, I'm officially saying I'm fine with that if everyone else is. I mean, it's for my benefit anyways since I'm going to be watching your movie (and I'd rather see a nicely rendered one than a Playblast... or whatever you Max people call it).

Speaking of Max people... where are you guys? The final entries are mostly (all?) Maya!

[BiG ToE-3DT]

no, I don't need any more time. I'll just sit here and render all night long if I have to. I got to represent the Max users.

But let this be a lesson to everyone, just because you have 3 weeks, doesn't mean wait till Wednesday to start, when it takes 3 days to render.

[Diabolos]

Ok, here is the deal - I made a new animation, but i forgot my screen shot (I came to the office, as I still have no internet at home after my move) - may I remove my last animation and replace it with my new one and add my screenshot tomorrow? Please........ :halo:

D;

[BiG ToE-3DT]

yes. The animation you want us to vote on is up to you.

[ItsaMystery]

D - You stole my groin kick idea! >:O

Just kidding...I love the eye twitches though :P

[Diabolos]

thanks man....