DWIII - 3D - Askguden - Rahab

[Askguden]

So.. time to make a frontpage, when the thread is getting longer...

Name: Rahab
Race: Evil squid demon from the pits of watery hell! :D
Class: Warlord
Artifact weapon: Evil squid-fishie of the depths! Don't know if it's darkness or water yet... :)

So..here is a concept-pic, and the latest render :)

[L3XICON]

woah, very weird but very cool :D

[Askguden]

Minor update on the concept. :)

[Robbelibobban]

shibby!

[Askguden]

low five!

[JimmyMarshall]

Haha thats incredibly bizarre. I'm stoked to see how it turns out.

[Askguden]

Started fiddling around with the mesh... the face is just a placeholder-thingy I threw together. Still blocking out the basic shapes of the torso... :)

[omnicypher]

looking good, kinda reminds me of quake, what software are you using?

[Askguden]

I'm using Modo for the sub-D and will be using Zbrush 3 for sculpting. :)

[Askguden]

Random update. Just blocking out the body (which you can't see here) while adding random details whenever I feel like giving him some love. He probably needs alot. Doesn't look like he got alot when he was a.. mini-squid demon warlord of darkness... or whatever. ^^

[Robbelibobban]

aahhhhchooo!
mr sneezyman no:1.

woopwoopwoopwooop

[Askguden]

It's Zoidberg on steroids and in a foul mood!

[Askguden]

Tamdamdam... Some more work on the model. I am redesigning some parts, and while I'm doing that I'm trying to find in what kind of direction I want to take the detailing, so I'm basically just playing around with the head-area and see what I get. :) I need to feel the love ^^

[kaizokuace]

I like the suit, looks totally sweet! hopefully you will make the 9k limit with those kinds of details.

[omnicypher]

acctually he has a pretty solid shape, normal mapping should get all those little details on the metal under 9000 with no problem. the difficult parts will be the tentacles, legs and any protruding parts that affect the silohette.

[Puckducker]

Very different looking concept. Looks kinda like a giant boot.

It'll be interesting to see how this turns out. What sort of things do you plan on doing to incorporate your elemental power?

[Askguden]

Yeah, the bootshape has been dealt with ^^ Its because his spine was to straight in the concept, I made a bit more... curvy. A bit bent forward, and the arms change the silloutte quite much. I'm not quite sure how to design the elemental power. First I thought that the fourth arm was gonna be the weapon, some kind of wierd darkness..claw-thingy. But now I'm gonna redesign part of the armor and toss some wild ideas around, so I just might end up incorporating it into the armor. Still have no idea what to call him either...

I like the suit, looks totally sweet! hopefully you will make the 9k limit with those kinds of details.

Thanks... yeah, the limit wont be a problem... It just boils down to what kind of detail I'll have in my silloutte, all the legs and tentacles are gonna swallow quite alot, sadly..

[Conejo Blanco]

This is lookin great, and obviously you're ridiculously talented. I would say, though, that the judges may not take too kindly to his armor, which doesn't look hand-made, but looks extremely hi-tech. Is it technology per se? Maybe not, but they may be biased against you because of this. Just a thought.

[Askguden]

hehe, thanks ^^

Yeah, the rules states that you may not use any kind of electricity, etc. But his armor is just that, a big piece of metal harvested from some ancient robot or machine, and then bolted together with leatherstraps and rivets. I think that the organic and low-tech parts of the model will be more obvious once the armor starts to come together with the different pieces. :) ...I hope ^^

[Askguden]

YEah, I figured out what his weapon is gonna be. It's gonna be some kind of monster octopus/fish that is strapped to his shoulder, and then he's gonna use his fourth arm to open its mouth via a chain attached to a piercing in its lower lip, and when it opens it's mouth it pukes dark slime over people... uhm... that sounds so wierd. Will probably make more sense when I draw it ^^

[Robbelibobban]

sounds neat!
make a quick sketch of it so we can see the awesomeness in action!

[BiG ToE-3DT]

have you been thinking of a name for your character, you will need one, if you want to make it tothe end of this war.

[Askguden]

hehe, yeah... I've been thinking...but haven't come up with anything yet... But I'll come up with something tonight ^^

[DiogoM]

hmm very cool concept!

[Askguden]

Uhm...yeah. So. This is what his body looks like :D Just working my way downwards now, trying to test out some different designs I came up with. That happy thing on his shoulder is an evil octopus/fish-thing, just so you know. ^^ It's gonna be evil, trust me! All the dummy-parts look really silly right now, but I hope you can see past that ;)

[omnicypher]

its comming along nicely, although so far it seems more custom built rather than crudely strapped together, but a few lether belts might fix it up. thats a good looking low poly human, is it just for scale reference or will it be used on the concept?

[Askguden]

The human is just arshs basemesh for size reference. Also.. I came up with a name for him, "Rahab"
Quoted from wikipedia: (the source of all accurate knowledge...)
"Rahab is mentioned in the Talmud and the Old Testament, and its etymology is given as "noise", "tumult" and "arrogance".
This name originally designated the primordial abyss, the water-dragon of darkness and chaos, and so comparable to Leviathan and Tiamat. Rahab later became a particular demon, inhabitant of the sea, especially associated with the Red Sea, in this case sometimes associated with Leviathan"

[Robbelibobban]

cool name!
im sure his fish companion will kick some serious butts! :P

listen to mr scruff - fish for inspiration :)
fish fish fish fish fish...

keep it up matey!

[Puckducker]

Details are looking pretty good...though, some of the high res bits of a bit of a "poly smooth" look to them, where you're not getting nice crisp edges where two pieces should be intersecting. Perhaps you should do these pieces with separate geometry, rather than extruded pieces or cut in edges.

[stalsby]

Looks cool but i think the octopus thing has been done a lot before, with pirates of the caribbean and all. just a suggestion. keep up the good work!

[Askguden]

Looks cool but i think the octopus thing has been done a lot before, with pirates of the caribbean and all. just a suggestion. keep up the good work!

Hmm..yeah, I know, I'm a bit unsure about that part aswell... we'll see if I come up with something better or if I keep it that way...

Details are looking pretty good...though, some of the high res bits of a bit of a "poly smooth" look to them, where you're not getting nice crisp edges where two pieces should be intersecting. Perhaps you should do these pieces with separate geometry, rather than extruded pieces or cut in edges.

Hmm, okay, any specific parts you are thinking of? Cheers an thanks for the feedback!

[Askguden]

update time ^^ uhh...added more...stuff. :)

[Tank[NL]]

looking good, but it almost looks like he is wearing power-armor

i love those, well, globs of snot hanging of the back of his head :) looks great. the overal design looks really cool. keep at it man.

[Askguden]

Update time...

Yeah, it kinda looks like he is wearing power armor. But that is because it's scavenged parts of the armor of his ancestors, and their metal gods ;) But its not functional, but their metalworking skills were far better ^^

[Mr.T]

Love the details you modeled there.

YEah, I figured out what his weapon is gonna be. It's gonna be some kind of monster octopus/fish that is strapped to his shoulder, and then he's gonna use his fourth arm to open its mouth via a chain attached to a piercing in its lower lip, and when it opens it's mouth it pukes dark slime over people... uhm... that sounds so wierd. Will probably make more sense when I draw it ^^

LOL! I was wondering what the little fellah would do in the battle, now I know.

Will you go the a stylish look? Or for a more realistic one?

[Askguden]

Love the details you modeled there.



LOL! I was wondering what the little fellah would do in the battle, now I know.

Will you go the a stylish look? Or for a more realistic one?


For the fish I think I will go for a bit over the top crazy look, but I'm not quite sure. I'll do some quck passes in Zbrush just to play around with his proportions, but I think he will look rather funny, in a disturbing way, with his little cap and all that ^^

[Askguden]

Some quick zbrush doodling :) Maybe final design, maybe not..what do you think?

[Robbelibobban]

your avatar kicks ass askguden.
anyways, your model is also good, lol :P

looks sweet, i love the detail work!
shizzle my nizzle!

[Askguden]

Aaaaaand, update! I've been playing around with some of the parts that I didn't like, for example his behind and his shoulderpads, replaced them with the new and improved... thingy! :-) I'm still dooodling around abit and try to get a clue of what I'm doing, but I'm gettting there, I think :O

[katana]

That's so creepy...

[Askguden]

That's so creepy...

Whatwhat? You don't think he's cute? ^^

[DaddyDoom]

Great character dude! The ZB details are gorgeous.
Imo, the legs are a bit too short comparing to the torso. It would have a really small gravity center to help it keep balanced. If you can make the legs a bit longer, it will look creepier, more menacing and overall, even cooler.
Just a thought anyway!

Ugga!
DD

[Askguden]

Great character dude! The ZB details are gorgeous.
Imo, the legs are a bit too short comparing to the torso. It would have a really small gravity center to help it keep balanced. If you can make the legs a bit longer, it will look creepier, more menacing and overall, even cooler.
Just a thought anyway!

Ugga!
DD


Thanks :-) Hmm, yeah, I actually made the legs a bit longer, they were even shorter before. I have tried making them even longer, more like arachnid legs, but that didn't look as good. Can give it another shot and see what it looks like. I think he's got enough stability, though. His feet are placed like an ellipsoid, if I make them longer it would be more like a circle, but I think that would be to overdo it, but I will give it a shot and see how it looks :)

[Askguden]

Some more armor.. :-)

[Brimblashman]

very nice detailing, i'm so far behind! cool chtulhu face :) am looking forward to an action shot of the little guy attacking as well

[Askguden]

Yay, less retarded arms, more coolness! Or.. atleast I'd like to think so. Have started working on the proper arms anyway... and zbrushing the body :]

[melvinsqualor]

Great hard surface modeling. really like the way this is going!

[Robbelibobban]

wow, your model looks totally awesome! i really like the new arms! they are about 7 times more cool than the old ones.

[Tank[NL]]

very cool update there man. i love it. give us more :D

[Askguden]

wow, your model looks totally awesome! i really like the new arms! they are about 7 times more cool than the old ones.

Thanks, I would even say that they are 11 times more cooler, since the old ones were the definition of uncool. Still got plenty of coolness to be added, though :D

Thanks for the comments :) I feel that the model is soon starting to resemble what it's supposed to look like, now that most of the major shapes are in place... but I still have alot of leeway to redesign the funky stuff.

[Askguden]

EVEN less retarded arms,but still very retarded! And I must do something about that cute muppet on his shoulder soon... But I'm having second thoughts about it now, and that's not good.. :( also did some zbrushing of the lower body, but I'm to lazy to show it now ^^

[Askguden]

Updateuru! His muppet got a hat and some fake teeth! yay! Also added more leather :] Still trying to nail the design of the shield arm, and the lower part of the torso. Drawing alot of quick sketches, all of them turn out to be crap, so I'm kind of stuck, design-wise... :)

[Robbelibobban]

he's starting to look really mean! frikkin awesome with the blue light also. cherri-o mate! jiggle on!

[Savagefluff]

He looks rad, but those legs don't look like they could take him very far. I suggest making them chunkier and possibly longer. Make them look like they're holding him up, he is a heavy boy.

;3 keep it up, love your rendering!

[Holo]

Wow, this has come along leaps and bounds since i last checked out the thread, good work man.

and I agree with the others, changing the arms was a great idea.

[Puckducker]

Yeah, the latest updates look really freaky. It'll be interesting to see how this guy turns out when reduced down to low poly.

I agree with Savage, the legs could use a bit more thought. Maybe take a closer look at some real insect legs, but he's looking fairly unique regardless.

[Askguden]

Yeah, the latest updates look really freaky. It'll be interesting to see how this guy turns out when reduced down to low poly.

I agree with Savage, the legs could use a bit more thought. Maybe take a closer look at some real insect legs, but he's looking fairly unique regardless.

Yeah, I'm gonna take a closer look at that later today... as for the lowpoly...don't remind me *shudders* it'll be a nightmare ^^

[Tank[NL]]

nice update, askguden. i agree with the leg issue. look at a centipede, crabs and lobsters. all stick-like legs but pretty long.

as for the muppet, very cool. make sure to make the teeth uber-fake :D

[Askguden]

Well...didn't have time to play around with the legs today, but atleast I changed his shieldarm to something more fitting for a watery demon :-) whatyouthink?

[Brimblashman]

Great! the right arm is really bringing this character together. Although I don't envy you when you have to get all this detailing onto the low res one ;)

[DaddyDoom]

Hot as Tamale!

[Askguden]

Update! Making progress in his lower torso area... finally ^^

[Askguden]

update time!

[khemist000]

Great model, your details are amazing. Im loving the Head/tentacle/dread things. Very nice style.

[Robbelibobban]

wow! the boring lower part of your model suddenly isnt very boring anymore. you came up with a really cool idea with the armor!
neat work bro.

[Sebiomegas]

Your level of details is really mind blowing.

DWIII entry - Black Hole Witch
http://forums.3dtotal.com/showthread.php?p=611679#post611679

[Askguden]

here's some more sculpting on the head...bloopbloop. I don't want to spend to much time with it anway, since it's so small :]

[BiG ToE-3DT]

have you started the low poly model yet?

[L3XICON]

like the octopus style tentacles, great sculpting. he suck brains out with them? :P looking forward to seeing all this detail on a low poly mesh D

[Chung Wong]

Ace, been looking at this for some time now, I was worried that you was going to keep the face plain looking, but it looks pretty damn sweet! Wonder what you're going to do with the legs. I'm sure it will look ace.

[Askguden]

Chung Wong: Thanks :) I'm trying to keep the detail at a moderate level, Don't want to include details that will only mud up the normalmap... for legs I'm going for a bit of... crab/insectlegs mixed with the good 'ol randomness of Zbrush :D

L3XICON: Thanks alot man :D Yeah, he will suck out your soul!

BiG ToE-3DT: hehe, yeah... I made the lowpoly for the two...knifearms yesterday, today I'm gonna try to wrap up the head and make the lowpoly for that area, it's looking tough though... I have the distinct feeling that my model wont be the smoothest one out there, 8 legs and 4 arms takes it toll, you know :D I will probably make the lowpoly around 11 000 for the baking and unwrapping, then make a LOD of it. Will probably be easier than to push it down from the start. But we'll see ^^

[chris_solo]

Hello, I find your very interesting work of originality and modelling, good continuation

[Askguden]

I'm bored, so here's an miniupdate... been working on the lowpoly alot now.. it's just as horrible as I thought it was gonna be, I will show some pics later :-P

[Conejo Blanco]

This is looking good, but I'm still pretty concerned about the technological look of this thing. I understand that it's supposed to look like trashy metal bits put together, but I can't shake the feeling like this is a suit that was manufactured for THIS guy.
Otherwise, this is great, and I love the creature on his shoulder! Really cool!

[Robbelibobban]

AWESOME!
woop woop woop woop

[Warlock 279]

Nice sculpt, so much detail everywhere. Definitely a unique character. I like how you handled the "shield" of sorts protecting the creature on his shoulder.

[Askguden]

Conejo Blanco: Yeah, I know what you mean, but still, all of it is lowtech. And we could shape metal and bend stuff way before we had electricity. :-) Just look at medieval armor :-) So I hope that it's still alright ^^

Warlock 279 Thanks alot, it's gonna be a bit redesigned, but rather similar to the other shoulderpad designwise.

Anyway, update on the arm... been working on the lowpoly mostly now, but it's still too early to show :)

[Askguden]

Damn you parkin and bulgarov :D You make my Zbrush model feel ashamed of himself! But I dragged him out of his corner and this is what it looks like right now. (note: yes, the ens of the tentacles look like blegh, don't sure how to end them in a good way..)

[Askguden]

So... been beefing up the details a bit.. here's two close-up renders of his be-hind ^^

[Puckducker]

Heh the rear details are looking good. I think his legs are going to need some zB treatment down the line.

I think you should maybe really focus on your low poly mesh before adding too many more details though. Adding all the high poly details you want is great, but they won't mean anything if they don't translate well to your low poly cage.

[Askguden]

Yeah, the legs are gonna get the good ol' ZB-treatment, don't you worry :D

Actually, I am focusing on the lowpolymesh, and all this small detail really isn't a problem, it's capturing all the big shapes that is the problem right now, since I went totally bat-**** crazy with the silluette ^^ I have already tested out normalmaprendering to check what kind of level of detail I can use in the highpoly and still capture it to the lowpoly. :)

[Robbelibobban]

nice work pal! i really like that you can see the details under the armor bits. wonderful!

[Askguden]

yeeeeeees...random update! I'm really working on random stuff right now.. a ittle lowpoly here..a little zbrush there... a little sub-ds there... haha, I'm getting confused by my own model, but here's the finished shoulderpad anyway :)

[Askguden]

Yes, almost final modo-model, just missing some final stuff on his claw-arm, and stuff hon his third arm. and then I can take more of it into zbrush...

[Robbelibobban]

damn dude!
you are mighty!

that looks so cool and so original. great work

[Askguden]

Yeah...so here is a WIP of the lowpoly...still too many polygons, but atleast now I've managed to capture the silluoette. It's 10500 now, so it'll probabl be 11 000 when finished, then I'll drag it down to 10 000 - 10 500 and bake it, and then drag it screaming and kicking down under 9000 :-P

[Askguden]

So...heres the normalmapped lowpoly. A bit too high right now, a few hundred, gonna LOD it down now that I have the normalmap and AO in place... And also, I'm gonna start texturing soon :-)

[kicksachi]

EXcellent Job!!!...Really touchy details.

[Puckducker]

Not bad at all....I wasn't sure how your lowpoly normal map would turn out, but it actually looks very decent. Good work!

[Shiskebab]

wow, i didn't even notice it was a low poly model untill i read the comments :). Very nice work!

[Askguden]

Thanks for the comments :) An early WIP of the texturing...

[Conejo Blanco]

Well done man! I admit, I wasn't so sure about this design (not from a technical or artistic standpoint, because you're obviously really good), because it looked too mechanical, but seeing it textured adds a whole new look, and I really appreciate it, looks great! I'm really anxious to see how this progresses.

[Tetsuya]

excellent work my dear friend, i'm happy that you didn't do what most of the other competitors are doing (cramming a crapload of zbrush detail inside the normal map) keep up the good work =)

[Askguden]

Conejo Blanco: Hehe, thanks.. after some of the comments I was unsure if my intentions would show in the end result, but I hope they will :)

Tetsuya: Thanks man :) No, I try to not add too much detail for the sake of details. I try to keep my details concentrated to areas where they can atleast be remotely motivated ^^

[DaddyDoom]

Looking really good. Do you have a front shot? Would love to see how you textured the head :)

Ugga!
DD

[Sebiomegas]

9000 polys makes for a pretty complex single character.The weapons are well integrated. It's badass!
I have noticed that your workflow starts with a high poly model. Is it your method of choice or you sometimes do it the other way around?


DWIII entry Black Hole Witch
http://forums.3dtotal.com/showthread.php?p=616397#post616397

[Askguden]

ToxicAvenger: Thanks man :) I always start with making the highpoly first, since I usually create stuff with rather intricate shapes, it would be impossible to know where to put the polys of the lowpoly without making the highpoly first. I try to not limit the shape of my highpoly by having a lowpoly cage to build after :) I really feel that it's the only way to work. :)
DaddyDoom: Nope, no front shot yet ;-D Will probably update with one in the next update. Still laying out base textures and stuff, so some areas are still grey-only :)

[kicksachi]

What Conejo Blanco says is True. U should take care of that in texturing. Apart nice work...the charcter has some great details. Especially the tentacles and suit. Keep it up.

[mr_poppin_fresh]

nice concept.

[Askguden]

A little update on the texture... Just...added more stuff, still haven't got all the basic stuff down yet, but in a day or two the texture should be ready to be polished... The deadline will be really tight for me :(

[L3XICON]

really great work mate :D could easily mistake this for a high polygon model. you've really captured the detail from your high poly sculpt, and the texture is doing great work in bringing that detail to the fore :D superb

[Askguden]

L3XICON:Thanks dude :-D Your model rocks aswell (get it, ROCKS, eh..heh...)

Small update, now with balls again ^^ I'm still not down to the final polycount, still have a hundred tris to go or something.. >_<

[miclepickle]

holy crappers!.... detail much? :x... dirt map is excellent!

[Askguden]

miclepickle: Thanks ^^ I'm still laying out basic textures, no polish yet, and also no specmap :-) Will come soon, I hope... well..it'd better.. :-P

[Askguden]

Update time... :) just some more texture work... also final lowpoly model, exactly 9000 tris :D

[DaddyDoom]

Looking awsome dude. Love to see how it evolved and turned out!

DD

[chris_solo]

wouahhh !! nice, very nice, texture work is really Magnificent.

[Warlock 279]

Oooo, looking good, the textures came out great I think. Well done.

[Askguden]

Here's my winning pose and my concept sheet, feedback please >_< also gotta add my name..forgot about that ^^

[BiG ToE-3DT]

I would increase the size of the front render, and leave the back render the way it is.

[Askguden]

hmm, yeah, good idea :) That pic is downscaled though, to 70%, since it was too big for the forum :)

[Askguden]

Heres a scaled down beauty shot also :)

[RHedendahl]

Bra jobbat, ser mycket bra ut.. :)
Good work..

[L3XICON]

really awesome work :D if it wasnt in the low polygon forum area, I would be swearing blind this was a high poly. really impressive how you have carried through the detail from your sculpt to the low poly model normal map and textures :D

[Askguden]

kirgan: Man tackar, man tackar :-D

L3XICON: Thanks man :-) I really felt that my model suffered from the polycount though, too many shapes for the silouette >_<

[Conejo Blanco]

I think you did a great job, the texturing is excellent, the hi-poly work excellent as well, and overall truly original and engaging. Very rich color palette, too, which I appreciate. This is fantastic Askguden, you should be proud!