DWIII - 3D - Stephan_R - Clericon Angel

[Stephan_R]

http://www.steveroyer.com/dwiii/fourthpass.jpg

[kravo]

very nice reference! I can only recognize the wizard guy from How'l moving castle, though... The guy with the turban on his head looks pretty cool...whoever drew it, I'd contact him if the picture is copyrighted :D

welcome aboard Stephan_R!!!

[BiG ToE-3DT]

Mr Kite drew that, he is my adaptive daddy.

I like the idea that your artifact is what gave the machines life, and now your using it to bring the fallen back to the battlefield. It's like a teacher having to kill a student for using the knoledge given to them in the wrong way. Time to crush young grasshoppa.

[PhxFire]

Very nice idea...can't wait to see what comes of this.

I'll will say you inspired me to show my references. :P

[kravo]

this is just.... beautiful!!!
awesome!!! can't wait to see more of it!

[neolith]

That's so amazingly good! The amputated arm really is a nice touch(and saves you some polys too :D) I'm keeping an eye on your thread :)

[Puckducker]

Great work! I love the little metal trim pieces on the wings, and the 3dtotal lamp light.

I'm actually not sure about the amputated arm though...I think that look might be difficult to pull off in a still posed model. My first impression was that you just had not finished your concept yet, and painted in the rest of the arm...your end result my unintentionally look unfinished. And for what your risking, I'm not sure the amputated arm adds much.

Just a thought. Top notch otherwise.

[BiG ToE-3DT]

super duper. This might just be my sick way of thinking, but I would think that gun could do more than just shoot people. Either way, good job.

[katana]

Absolutely beautiful

[EvilKnight]

Brilliant!

[L3XICON]

truly beautiful concepts :D stunning, would love to know how you achieved the pattern on the cloak!

[Crimson King]

cool work dude its a nice concept, I'm really sold on the gun sword but not so sure about this other weapon. part of me wishes that i had given my concept wings, their great fun to make in 3d and look fantastic if pulled off.

[lemasterjg]

beautiful renderings, i liked the pyramid lamp thats the first concept had, its suits 3DT even it it is not part of the logo. the feathers growing on the arms are a nice touch to the design.

[Antievo-3DT]

Amazing concept, Stephan_R! Truely, beautiful renderings.
Can't wait to see how this 'translates' into 3D! :)

[Steamtrooper]

Gulp! Normaly have something to add but you seem to have this wrapped up tight as a nuns chuff.

Great you are.

[BiG ToE-3DT]

sad but true, most will not finish. Last year a few people dropped out because of the concept work they saw from other people, but then those people never even started on the model, so Don't change a thing. Have fun with this, winning is just a bonus.

[jac3d]

great concept and inspiration...

[polysmooth]

Nice rendering on your concept art. Should make for an intricate model.

[freesupra]

wow fantastic 2d piece. a really great concept for a character too
good luck to you :)

[Tekei]

Woa! Can't believe I've missed this thread. It looks great.

The bird feet and the entire bird feeling of the character looks really cool. So does the staff and logo. I like it alot.

[Star_Scream]

Me too Tekei, where was this thread? Looks amazing!

[Mr.T]

Amazing concept! I laughed a lot with the curious little kid :smug:
I didn't paid attention to the feet when I first saw your concept,
amazing work ;)

[Holo]

Wow, Stunning Work.

I Say you just hand this into the 2D Competition and call it a day :roll:

I can only hope your 3D skills are up to par with your Painting ones.

[Tank[NL]]

amazing piece of work. thats all i can say.

[dhin]

I defiantly like the avian feet over the human ones. I also love the details, very nice job. I would love to see it in 3D and I think it would be a shame if you didn't model it. the technical complexity alone would make it a fun project to work on.

[kravo]

why would anybody need to make a 3d modell if the concept itself is a stupendous hit???!!!
amazing work Stephan!!!

but I´m not quite sure about the chicken legs :D (I beg your pardon)... IMO, they don´t really reflect that overall mood or atmosphere you´ve created around this character.
I mean, the guy reflects calmness, some sort of weird power and strength, and the last one doesn´t really match the skiny legs. Again, in my opinion only.
:roll:

[katana]

I have to agree with the others here...with the speed and conceptual ideas you can create...submit this one as a 2d and come up with another...I'm sure you've been thinking of other possibilities...

[redonix76]

Wow! Very beautiful and stunning piece. This is definitely going to be a very interesting character to model. i look forward to seeing more.

[BiG ToE-3DT]

If you do plan on hitting the 2d section as well, I would go with the eatpoo forum for the simple fact that are are just 2d for this comp. Only makes sense for the 3d only forum to join with the 2d only forum. Together we will dominate the dominance war.

[PixelBrain]

you could enter it into either and id still want it too win :)

I Really like the painting its really good. I especially like his weapon.

Nothing i can say about it technically since i dont know anything about painting :) haha

[Holo]

I was just poking fun Pal, ive seen the Work on your Blog....Ill just leave it at that, lol ;p

[khemist000]

Looking awesome so far. Im doing a similar feeling character, in the sense of the angel theme. Im hopefully going for a more sinister approach and playing with the idea of giving a demon-esque looking character holy powers.

Very excited to see this come together.

Good luck!

[Lukavi]

Wow man when I saw the image I thought you were entering the 2D comp, then I remembered what forum I was on! I think it would be a great 2d entry but Im sure you're gonna bring it home really nicely in 3D.

[DaddyDoom]

I've just wet my pants... again...

[inveni0]

I really like the Cherubim(?) concept. I think it's brilliant. I'm not as impressed with the adult concept, but it will make for a fantastic finished product. It would be sweet to play a next-gen game where your character had wings.

So don't screw it up! hehehe

[surgeincy]

beautiful work!!

[HollowReaper]

I'll have to jump on boat and say that this is amazing concept, this character is stunning in every possible way lol. I love the little added cherub angel by the way!

[poopipe]

but I´m not quite sure about the chicken legs :D (I beg your pardon)... IMO, they don´t really reflect that overall mood or atmosphere you´ve created around this character.
I mean, the guy reflects calmness, some sort of weird power and strength, and the last one doesn´t really match the skiny legs. Again, in my opinion only.
:roll:



I think I have to agree with this. have you watched a bird walk recently? it's not very dignified

otherwise - what can I say? you've got a stinking great pile of painting ability and a refreshing "not a man in a big suit of armour" concept.

I am impressed (and that doesn't happen often on account of my arrogance)

[Valtiel]

Sadly, I think 3Dtotal is the only forum not entered in both 3d and 2d parts of DWIII (With eatpoo exclusive to 2d). To enter this concept in 2d you'd have to do it through another forum that participates in both.

Not 100% sure on that but wherever you do it, I'd like to see this concept flesh out in full.

[MonteCristo]

Yeah. That's basically the deal, and of course, no two of your competition concepts can be the same, so you have to pick one or the other: 3D or 2D. My advice would be not to stretch yourself too thin (Unless your other idea is wicked smart, of course). Don't forget how much stuff there is to enter here. The concept entry needs accompaniment of sketches etc...
To get this done to the necessary standard is not gonna be a quick job IMO. If it was me, I'd get on to the 3D, make the thing. Then If You've got a week or two left at the end have a crack at the concept one.

Great work by the way. Atz why ya got pluggged! ;)

[ChuckMate]

really cool so far Stephan. keep us updated.
:)


Pat.

[Stephan_R]

Hey Pat good to see you here, I hope this means since you're lurking that you're submitting at least a 2d entry!

I have moved this angel concept over to the gaming artisans 2d entry arena everyone and will be updating this thread with my new idea very soon :) It was a tough decision but I hope you all enjoy the new one just as much.

I've gathered reference and got my theme!

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[MonteCristo]

Sounds groovy. Looking forward to seeing what you come up with next. ;)

[L3XICON]

oh man, can't wait to see what you create from those referances! :D

[Stephan_R]

So I have a general idea of Pandora, and as I make the 7 sins I will adjust they're 3d versions to match up with one another (might take props off one and combine it with others etc) I want a subtle look that feels like "queen of the goblins" so I hope that carries over. The sins themselves might be a little more sketchy because I really need to start 3d with so much to tackle. I expect to wrap up every character this week.

Pandora won't be the priority, I'm going to build the 7 first then if I have time I'll include their master.

http://www.steveroyer.com/dwiii/pandora_sketch.jpg

[khemist000]

Im loving your new idea for Pandora and the 7 deadly sins. Im excited to see how this turns out, especially your takes on the different deranged bird-goblins. Good luck.

[Tank[NL]]

very cool idea and amazing concept art. one of my new "be sure to follow and try not to get depressed"-threads :)

[MonteCristo]

I would love to be a fly on the wall at a tea party between your Pandora and my Countess. That would be one strange conversation! :D I'm definitely liking this angle a lot more than the last. This is a really original concept Stephen.

[Steamtrooper]

She has a real feel of 'Mad Hettie' from the 'Sandman' comic, only shes got Deaths looks. And thats no bad thing, Hettie was a full on force of nature if you got on her bad side. (just checked your refs, and seeing the bag lady and the pigeon feeder, Im guessing that Hettie realy was your inspiration. Funny I was thinking of doing Merv :). http://kleinletters.com/LetteringImages/MervP.jpg

Love your work, good luck.

[Stephan_R]

I have to admit I don't know who Mad Hettie is. I'd love to see some pictures, I searched with no luck.

I'm thinking about making a girl that's been possessed by pandora rather than pandora herself.

http://www.steveroyer.com/dwiii/wip_3d.jpg

[BiG ToE-3DT]

I'm thinking that the Mad Hettie, is just a female version of the mad hatter. Which means she doesn't exist. So don't worry about her.

[Stephan_R]

2 left... and keep in mind, these are loose concepts I will definitely need to unify them when I have them all in 3d. Similar feathers, patterns, armor and skin colors etc. They're kinda goofy, and I think a young girl as pandora would be more suitable.

[omnicypher]

im loving those bird concepts! they seem like disney characters, but a lot darker and more menacing. keep up the great work.

[redonix76]

I love your concepts...very creative indeed! More please!!

[Steamtrooper]

I'm thinking that the Mad Hettie, is just a female version of the mad hatter. Which means she doesn't exist. So don't worry about her. - close but no cigar, she is a very very old (older than America); NOT-witch. A character in Neil Gaimans 'The high cost of living' and the 'Sandman' masterpiece which everyone should read at least once, it realy is the best comic ever written, and for those without concepts yet, a great source of inspiration.

I did try to find you some refs of the old girl 'Mad Hettie', before I posted last time, but like you said, theres is very little to nothing online.

Here - goto the sneek peek download and there she is in all her mad adorable glory - http://www.dccomics.com/graphic_novels/?gn=1601

I wasnt accusing you of anything, just youll see how alike your character is in many ways so assumed you must be a reader of Sandman.

[mel_danes]

Everything looks cool.
Very Brian Froud I was thinking, Goblins , Fairies and such are his specialty.

Check him out.

[Stephan_R]

I'm so lost... *sniff* lost in a sea of endless confusion and frustration.

I'm considering going to the drawing board again. I do like the idea of the 7 sins, but not sure about this direction. You know that gut feeling an artist gets that is just short of inspiring yourself... and I think it's because I'm "too" close to Brian Froud's work.

Thanks for the comments, I'll have to figure it out asap.

[BiG ToE-3DT]

do the sins have to be creatures, I mean, it will be hard enough to model the main character with the tri count the way it is, so trying to squeeze 7 more characters out of it might be pushing it. Maybe place the sins back in the box. Then use the box as the artifact.

So far all your concepts rock, but time is running out and I gotta see one of these things in 3d, and the winners circle.

[MonteCristo]

Here's my 2cents, (not that you ever reply to me, but <sigh> here it is anyway)... I think you were on the right track with the first image and with the refs. I have to admit when you posted up the birds I was taken aback and much less enthused by the direction. Froud is not the way to go here IMO, rather, stick with something subtler. Less Froud, more Metal Gear. Look at any boss they ever did in metal gear and see how understated, yet over-the-top they are at the same time.
Your first image of Pandora was bang on. What I expected was for you to create a series of really symbolic birds, each with their own attribute. That could be really cool, an archetype of your own creation. Perhaps the bird's presence alone is able to inspire their token sin in others. I'd give that angle a go if it was me.

My other concern with the new ones was the poly count. Granted, 9000 is a lot. But even if you made another combined character for the last two sins + Pandora (girl or otherwise) + the remaining 4 sins + their weapons. We're looking at 1500 polys per character. And that is cutting it fine -- albeit possible.

You could go back to the drawing board but that would be a waste IMO. Rather, go back to your first image and approach the birds in a more sophisticated way. Does any of that answer your gut feeling? :)

[mel_danes]

I second Monty (Sorry for the abbrv.)
The original concept is spot on, original, unusual and very far from the Beefy Steroid God of War we see everywhere in this comp. Not that big guys with big swords is bad....wait di I say that right.

Anyway, go with you original idea and work the birds in as little chara's, not anything elaborate just symbols or small couple hundred poly conjurations.

My 2 cents

[Stephan_R]

Wow, that was a great response... Big Toe, Monte and Mel and I think that's what my vague idea resembled in the beginning. I guess I'm feeling like ripping Pandora or ripping Froud is just not what I had in mind, and I hoped all along that it would inspire a new path but it hasn't yet. I really value all these opinions and I usually read each one twice after its posted to let even the smallest detail or suggestion sink in.

I love MGS, it's one of my favorite series (especiall 3 and now 4) and would love to approach it with this mindset. Thank you, I need to go back to the sketching board maybe not necessarily idea board :O

[MonteCristo]

Thank you, I need to go back to the sketching board maybe not necessarily idea board :O

You're welcome. :) And this last sentence. Definitely follow that thought... The first pandora image made me think: "wow". So don't f*** with her too much, only refine.

Did you ever get my Skype invite btw?

[Steamtrooper]

Yup, for what its worth I think you have a great look, and idea there. Odd enough to blend with the crowd and normal enough to stand out amongst the elite, go with stylized birds, one for anyone that might come along, and keep the box tantalizing, just a glimmer of gold ;) , you never know when you might need a miracle...

[damageINC]

Man I know you've been a little bummed about ripping other people, but whatever.....the work you do is fantastic. The concepts have so much life and I love the style don't change it imo.

[Stephan_R]

http://www.steveroyer.com/dwiii/fourthpass.jpg

[Askguden]

hehe, this concept is so different, and so freaky. I think you can pull it off in 3d aswell, since the birds are kind of small. :) It's gonna be fun to see the transition!

[Stephan_R]

BACK AND FORTH WE GO! :)

I'm going with my guy because the pandora idea is better suited for 2d and I originally had prepared this guy for 3d. I'm moving on finally.

Clericon Angel it is, and yes I'll build the cherub too.

[MonteCristo]

Well, guess it's better to have too much choice than too little! :D I think you need to flex them 3D muscles of yours. You're obviously staining at the leash!

[Puckducker]

Yeah, I think this is the better choice. He's got a bit more personality and character to him I think, which will make him a more dynamic character.

Very much looking forward to seeing the mesh.

[Conejo Blanco]

Great concept! I look forward to it's translation into 3D!

[khemist000]

Glad to see you come back to this one, though Im gonna miss your 7 deadly bird sins.

[Stephan_R]

Some people were wanting me to post something, so against my judgement here's some sloppy renders of my WIP meshes! (sorry I'm not taking the time to really make some detailed renders)

They're around 8500 or so, so lots of optimizing to go because I want to make tons and tons of feathers and hair strands to really sell those areas. The knives on his legs are actually modelled out so I could lose those polys as well. The wings, second pair of arms and heads aren't finished by any means, but I feel pretty good about the rest. I texture faster and better than I model (imo) so I'm spending a lot of time trying to get these up to par.

http://www.steveroyer.com/dwiii/a.jpg
http://www.steveroyer.com/dwiii/b.jpg

[MonteCristo]

Yup welcome to my world of pain
Optimising has been so tough this year, but You'll do it
Meshes look really clean bro. Glad to see you're still with us.

[kicksachi]

He is clean!!! Looking foward 2 C the textured model.