Apr 2008 - Caveman!

[Lynette-3dt]

Welcome to the SUPER Stylised Monthly Challenge – Sponsored by 3DTotal.com and 3DCreative Magazine (http://www.3dcreativemag.com). Please post all images & questions in this thread.

So what is this challenge all about?
Each month we will select a title for the SUPER Stylised Challenge, and we'll post some images for you to use as reference. The title is there to be interpreted as and how you wish. All you have to do then is to think up your concept, model it, and create a final 3D image of this in your own way!

This regular monthly challenge is designed to bring in some great content for 3DCreative Magazine – in the form of final images from the Top Ten and Making Ofs from the top 3 winners – as well as some great prizes and exposure just for you!

What are we looking for?
Funny and humorous entries which interpret the title of the SUPER Stylised Challange however you see fit. We’re pretty much leaving everything open for your interpretation and stylisation!! All we ask is that the title of the SUPER Stylised Challange is instantly recognisable in your final image! All you have to do then is to render your stylised/abstract/cartoon masterpiece and you’re away!

What are the timeframes and requirements?
The rules are pretty laid back: please submit 1 x 3D Final Image. If you want to have a background or include some graphical elements or text on your image, it's entirely up to you. Image posts should be around 800 pixels across, but please work at a much higher res as the top 10 will be featured in 3DCreative Magazine (http://www.3dcreativemag.com). There will be 1 challenge per month, with the deadline being the end of the month GMT. A 'VOTING' thread will be created at the end of the month. For a valid entry, just make sure your final image is posted in the 'VOTING' thread before the 8th May 2008. Voting will take place from the 8th May to the 15th May 2008, when the winners will be announced (by me)! We require the top 3 winners to submit 'Making Of' overview articles that will be shown on either 3DTotal or in 3DCreative Magazine (http://www.3dcreativemag.com); these need to show the stages of your creation, different elements and some brief explanation text of why, and how, you did what you did. We will format this into some nice-looking pages to give you some great exposure, and us some quality content. This will serve as some great exposure for you which, along with your prizes, is a pretty cool incentive to get involved!

Everyone has to post their FINAL image in the WIP thread before the end of the month deadline, as well as their WIPs during the month. You then have to post it (exactly the same final image) again in the VOTING thread. This means there is a very clear deadline: no-one can work after the end of the month and the VOTING thread still exists as before, as this is a nice clean thread with final images only which is used for the judging only.

Posting Works in Progress
Each challenge will have one thread that starts with this info and the brief at the top. This is where all entrants post all WIPs, give feedback, and generally laugh at the crazy ideas that are emerging each month!

Please don't start any new threads – just reply to this one already set up!

Prizes!!
1st Place Any 3 items from the 3DTotal Shop (http://shop.3dtotal.com). We sell lots of items these days, such as our book (http://www.3dtotal.com/book/), Design Studio Press books (http://www.3dtotal.com/design%5Fstudio%5Fpress/), textureCDs (http://www.3dtotal.com/textures/), Shorts DVDs (http://www.3dtotal.com/shorts/), lots of training DVDs (http://www.3dtotal.com/training/), and 12 month subscriptions to 3DCreative Magazine (http://www.3dcreativemag.com) and 2DArtist Magazine (http://www.2dartistmag.com).

2nd Place
Any 2 items from the 3DTotal Shop (http://shop.3dtotal.com).

3rd Place
Any 1 item from the 3DTotal Shop (http://shop.3dtotal.com).

We do unfortunately have to limit prizes to 1 book per winner per challenge, due to high postage costs for heavier items.

Judging
Everyone who entered can cast a vote of their top 3 in order, and the 3DTotal/3DCreative team will also cast their votes. We will award 3pts for a 1st place vote, 2 for 2nd and 1 for 3rd. Then we will add them up and ship out your prizes!

This month we have chosen CAVEMAN!

http://www.3dcreativemag.com/challenge_resources/17_apr08_caveman/main_small.jpg
©iStockphoto.com/Klaus Nilkens

Here is a selection of Images from a simple Google search to give you some good references for this month’s brief!
caveman 01 (http://www.3dcreativemag.com/challenge_resources/17_apr08_caveman/references/01.jpg)
caveman 02 (http://www.3dcreativemag.com/challenge_resources/17_apr08_caveman/references/02.jpg)
caveman 03 (http://www.3dcreativemag.com/challenge_resources/17_apr08_caveman/references/03.jpg)
caveman 04 (http://www.3dcreativemag.com/challenge_resources/17_apr08_caveman/references/04.jpg)
caveman 05 (http://www.3dcreativemag.com/challenge_resources/17_apr08_caveman/references/05.jpg)
caveman 06 (http://www.3dcreativemag.com/challenge_resources/17_apr08_caveman/references/06.jpg)
caveman 07 (http://www.3dcreativemag.com/challenge_resources/17_apr08_caveman/references/07.jpg)
caveman 08 (http://www.3dcreativemag.com/challenge_resources/17_apr08_caveman/references/08.jpg)
caveman 09 (http://www.3dcreativemag.com/challenge_resources/17_apr08_caveman/references/09.jpg)
caveman 10 (http://www.3dcreativemag.com/challenge_resources/17_apr08_caveman/references/10.jpg)

Please don't start new threads: all design sketches, WIPs, feedback should go in this thread! Final Images should be posted in the 'VOTING' thread, which will be created at the end of the month.





:) Lynette

[Warin-3DT]

lol great reference...good find!

[GiDeOn<3d>]

Hello, I have a question for u, I know that the model for the entry must be started after the post of the subject but I wander if I start to model an caveman abut 5 days ago I can join the challenge with it ? :)

[DaddyDoom]

Hello, I have a question for u, I know that the model for the entry must be started after the post of the subject but I wander if I start to model an caveman abut 5 days ago I can join the challenge with it ? :)

Are you psychic or what? :D

Anyway, decided to start pulling verts, points and faces from polygons, and this is where I'm at, with about 50 minutes. The concept sketch and plot is in my head...
Ugga!
DD

[mr_poppin_fresh]

Daddydoom man you are fast!! already start working on the next challenge. :crazy:

[Aniboomer]

reference pic number 6 is lovely!
I'm a 2d artist, can I upload a drawing of a cavemen I did for reference as well?

[Warin-3DT]

Hello, I have a question for u, I know that the model for the entry must be started after the post of the subject but I wander if I start to model an caveman abut 5 days ago I can join the challenge with it ? :)

Hi, to be fair to others all works should be done after the topic announced..I'm afraid. However, you are free to post WIPs to get feedbacks here, but your already modeled piece can not be posted in VOTING thread to be voted.

Btw, why don't you work on new piece....there are plenty of time remaining! :D

[Warin-3DT]

reference pic number 6 is lovely!
I'm a 2d artist, can I upload a drawing of a cavemen I did for reference as well?

Why not! We would love to see it! :)

[Lynette-3dt]

Hello, I have a question for u, I know that the model for the entry must be started after the post of the subject but I wander if I start to model an caveman abut 5 days ago I can join the challenge with it ?

Hi, to be fair to others all works should be done after the topic announced..I'm afraid. However, you are free to post WIPs to get feedbacks here, but your already modeled piece can not be posted in VOTING thread to be voted.

Thanks Warin; however I already gave this artist permissions yesterday to continue with his caveman as it's still in the early stages and he can post his WIPs in here for us all to see. I don't have any problem with this and it seems unfair to say he can't use something he started just a few days ago. After all, some artists refer back to old sketches, concepts and models they had years before to work on these new challenge projects (as we have learnt from their Making Ofs and so on) and so it seems rather unfair to say he can't use a concept from just a few days ago, as long as it's in keeping with this challenge brief and he posts all WIPs in here so we can all follow his working process. I hope that makes sense. If it was a finished image that he wanted to submit without participating in the activity of this challenge, then it would be another matter definitely, but in this case I think we should allow him to participate in the challenge with his caveman.:)

As Warin suggested, there is still time to start a new entry specifically for this challenge, but I don't see why you can't use your recent caveman WIP to get stuck into this challenge, because as soon as you start posting your WIPs you'll get lots of feedback from everyone and I'm sure you'll then start changing and developing the piece to suit the challenge!!

Sorry for this Warin, only I already spoke to this artist yesterday so he will be very confused having 2 different answers, so I just wanted to clear things up for him, and everybody.;)

Thanks,
Lynette

[Warin-3DT]

Lynette, I see If you have already given him permission that is fine to me too!! :) and I totally agree with what you have said above!

Cheers
Warin

[Lynette-3dt]

Thanks Warin :)

[Lynette-3dt]

Hi All,

Due to some questions coming up in the Executioner thread about posting WIPs after the end of the month, we have put together some clear cut rules for everyone to now work by in the future challenges (Caveman onwards) and hopefully it will clear up some confusion:

Everyone has to post their FINAL image in the WIP thread before the end of the month deadline, as well as their WIPs during the month. You then have to post it (exactly the same final image) again in the VOTING thread. This means there is a very clear deadline: no-one can work after the end of the month and the VOTING thread still exists as before, as this is a nice clean thread with final images only which is used for the judging only.

I hope this suits everyone as it clears up any confusion and means that everyone is participating and we all know where we stand. Any questions just let me know! ;)


Lynette :)

[DaddyDoom]

Yay!
Here's another WIP. Have all the client work under approval, so... gotta use my spare time for something :P
Ugga!
DD

[Nocturn8]

awesome challenge....
Daddydoom:very nice model and very fast, is it a skin shader?

I'm in!

[DaddyDoom]

Yeah! I've been scooping google for a nice tutorial and found a cool one. But it's for Cinema4D.
This one is coming pretty fast, but there's still a long road ahead.

Tnx for the comment mate! Are you joining this one? Your Executioner has turned out really fancy and funny :D

Ugga!
DD

[Nocturn8]

oh man...cinema4d + daddydoom is really impressive.
thanks for the comment 'bout the executioner(thanks for the tips). yours looks like another winner.

I'm in this one too...

My concept:

I'm thinking of an ipod or techie type of caveman, it's like bringing futuristic devices like laptop etc. to the past(I'm thinking like he just invented a prehistoric time machine/jumper style of some sort and just gone through a time warp with all the goodies-including a bed with someone still sleeping, still an idea though!- he collected). I just hope I can pull this one out.

[DaddyDoom]

Hair.... Don't you just love those armpits and nipples?
No eyebrows yet...

Ugga!
DD

[Siege]

Wow, DaddyDoom!

That is coming along nicely. The hair really pulls it together.

[mr_lemon]

daddydoom...what can I say more? UGGAROKKA! :D
BTW...i've missed another comp without finishing my executioner...hope to be able to finish at least that one,so,i'm in too :D

[GiDeOn<3d>]

t thank you for letting me bend the rulls a bit and continue my caveman here:)
http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/5644/caveman9ze6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/5119/caveman22zx2.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/3973/caveman23ew8.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[aby arty]

woah,
have some mercy daddydoom,
awesome speed for sure,
u r the fastest and i am the slowest so u r an inspiration reservoir for me.

ill see if i can join this one ,
c ya soon

[mr_poppin_fresh]

Looks like Daddydoom is on his way to hog all the prizes again. :D

[DaddyDoom]

Nah, a fast starter does not mean the best, which I'm not even remotely close. As I said, it's fun fun fun :)
Hope to see some stuff from you guys soon :D
Anyway, tnx a lot for the kind comments eehe :P

Here's a small update! Started to work on the scene. By now, I have the story plot for my character defined. He has just arrived home, and is nagging is cavewife because he just noticed that the neighbor next cave just bought himself a brand new, larger than life mammoth. And he wants a bigger one now.
I'm going to try to fill the cave with really mundane, day by day apparatus.

Ugga!
DD

[DaddyDoom]

Another update before lunch.
C&C are welcome guys, and suggestions too. In the end I will add some pre-historic graffitis on the cave walls, using Photoshop. Maybe some kind of family picture, like we'd see on a normal house.
Hope you like it so far.

Ugga!
DD

[strict9]

no idea what i'm going to do yet but i started a character,..hope you like.
still needs clothing and more definition but at least i made a attempt.....the exicutionar attempt......uuhhh lets not talk about it ;)
with out further a due....caveman:
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[Nocturn8]

Daddydoom: Wow.... You're fast and with quality results. Love that cave and lighting.
GiDeOn<3d>: It's nice that your problem regarding joining has been resolved.. and your models looking good. gotta love that nose!!!
strict9:cool looking concept man. zbrushed?

Hi guys, Here's my update. started working on "THE TIME MACHINE" (you gotta read it loud and with a big voice!!!all caps:D). and the "assistant". other details will be filled in later, such as the "Pine"apple macbook pro! already started the caveman and might post him later.

[DaddyDoom]

Aaaaaaah! Just got home from a quick slip to the beach :D Temperatures rised up to 35ºC which is a really high one for this time of year.
Tnx for the comment Nocturn8. Don't really know why, but this month it's all coming out smooth and fast...
Your concept rocks dude! Love the starter samples, the dino and the "TIME MACHINE" :D Can't wait to see where you'll take it!

Ugga!
DD

[Lynette-3dt]

....the beach?!:grr: hehehe

[DaddyDoom]

Yeah :D I live pretty close to the beach. Not on the beach, but about 15, 20mins car ride. Since we went with my daughter, I took some pics. So you can go all green with jealousy :D

Ugga!
DD

[Lynette-3dt]

nooooooooooooooo! that's so unfair! :p

[Nocturn8]

the beach.... the beach...... take the "TIME MACHINE" to the beaaaaaacccchhhh. argh! :cry: some people are quite blessed.... he he. it would take us a seven hour trip to get to the "nearest" beach, and with that "TIME MACHINE" it would take a tow truck to take it there (I wonder.....maybe the "TIME MACHINE" could take me to the beach!! the problem is it might take me to a beach a thousand years back where it's infested with dinosaurs...). oh oh oh and forgot to ask, daddydoom does your processor happen to be running at a quad core one? no not your pc... you!!!:D

AFTER 8 1/2 hours.........

[DaddyDoom]

I'm on a Mac Dual Core :P I just had some free time this week. Most of my work is undergoing client approval so, since I work at home as freelancer, I got an unexpected break and managed to focus on the caveguy. I work as fast as any other guy :)

The beach thing really caught up with you guys :D Everybody green with jealousy muah! Funny stuff you did with that comp. Where's your main character dude?

It's curious, because having so many beaches nearby, last year I didn't make it to go to swim one single time, due to work overload :( But this year, there's no way I'm gonna let that happen again!

Ugga!
DD

[Lynette-3dt]

i used to live just a 10 minute walk from the sea and you've reminded me just how much i miss it, but yes you are very blessed and you should definitely make the most of it this year! maybe 3dtotal should relocate? ;) hehehehe

keep up the great work guys! :)

[strict9]

daddydoom slow down man...your making us look bad at the speed your going...this is not the speed modeling challenge forum hehehehe
i'm going sloooowly.

Nocturn8...yup it's zbrush, i know people say it's cheating at 3d...but i don't care, it's the end product that counts.
love the time machine but it needs a egg timer or something.....
heres a small update of my caveman:
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[DaddyDoom]

Heh! Today I've indeed reduced the gear shift so it all got back to normal. Plus, I'm taking a new slip at the beach today :D muah
If ZBrushing is to cheat on 3D, this forum is a lair for cheaters. I wouldn't surely mind to be one too... Your caveman is looking cool. Very unique style and features. Can't wait to see it finished!

Ugga!
DD

[strict9]

glad you like it....now i need some help from you guys.
how do i make it clear it's "helmet testing"????
cus i don't think a sign saying test area in written form is possible in that time and age....should i just draw a caveman face wearing some headgear on another rock?
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[DaddyDoom]

You could just make a pile of previously tested helmets, all broken, and a third caveman using a huge bandage in the head.

:D

Ugga!
DD

[DaddyDoom]

Here's a tiny update, but I guess it's close to final. Unless some crazy idea pops, it wont change much until the final version.
The scribbles on the cave wall and the fire are added in Photoshop (the hand prints are actually scanned from my daughter's doodles with inks and paper).

Hope you guys like it :)

Ugga!
DD

[JKronk]

DaddyDoom you live in a wonderful place.
strict9 good work I like your model.
Nocturn8 cool composition, I would like to be there.

Here is my WIP, and good luck everyone.
Still I don´t know what to do with this caveman.

[Makaveli]

Here's a tiny update, but I guess it's close to final. Unless some crazy idea pops, it wont change much until the final version.
The scribbles on the cave wall and the fire are added in Photoshop (the hand prints are actually scanned from my daughter's doodles with inks and paper).

Hope you guys like it :)

Ugga!
DD

Maybe instead of bones on the floor u can put a baby dinosaur sleeping tied to a leash kinda like a house pet :dance:

[DaddyDoom]

Yeah,that's a cool idea! Maybe I can relocate the bones to the left of the fire, and tie up the dino to the rocky table. I had previously thought in doing a saber tooth cat... but a dino is cooler :D

Tnx for the input :)

Ugga!
DD

[strict9]

good thing you switched to a lower gear daddy doom...hehehe
Can anybody give this man a few more challenges please.....i don't want him to get bored :roll:
sure hope a few more people will enter this comp i hate to be 4th place with only 4 contestants :dance:

[DaddyDoom]

Most people is finishing up the Executioner challenge. I'm pretty sure that next week we'll have plenty others doing some magic :)

[chubu]

sure hope a few more people will enter this comp i hate to be 4th place with only 4 contestants :dance:

I will sit on the bench this month, got a lot of work to finish.
great progress from everyone
daddydoom - man you're fast! :)

[mies]

im also working on some ideas for the contest. soon as i got something done ill show u guys.

dadydoom: ur fast but the lack of anything close to anotomy is abit to much of me. feels to me that ur trying to work to fast. the challange is also,as i see it, a way to show off our skills and improve them, aswel as our creativety and just plain fun. just my opinion though so do with it as u wish..

[DaddyDoom]

hey mies. I'm not trying to work fast, or even trying to show-off anything whatsoever, because I know what and where my limitations are. I'm not trying to get a spot in the sun, to win prizes, or even to get a job in the 3D industry. What I do, and I said it several times, is for pure fun. One of the reasons I stick to cartoony characters is the fact that I really don't have the skills to even try, at this point, a more realistic or accurate approach to human anatomy. By the way, I didn't know that "3d modelers" had to have a profound knowledge on Gray's Anatomy (the book, not the TV show) to do a thing they like and that gives them pleasure. I could point out a few cartoon examples, that are as far from the "anatomically correct" as a banana is from a watermelon.
I do feel that every challenge, I learn something new, at my own pace and possibilities. But again, I'm not trying to impress anyone, only to step by step surpass my own handicaps. The "speed" in my entry had only to do with the fact that for 3 days, all my client work is being scrutinized by the clients, and that gave me some time to do other things (including a couple of slips to the beach with my wife and daughter).
I really don't know where you've seen other reasons besides those I've numbered above. If by accident I gave the wrong impression, then I apologize. Anyway, thanks for reminding me how much I suck.

Hope to see some from chubu and you soon!

Ugga :)
DD

[strict9]

Daddy doom i know how you feel.
i to enjoy mucking around and anatomy isn't that important to me either.
but some people feel that it needs to be as real as possible to be called "good"
i love a bit of variety....even the old Egyptians draw 2 eyes on a side view of a face....nobody complaints about that heheheh
now i'm going to post something that probably should not be in this thread....but i'm going to anyway....I LOVE non anatomy correctness.....i just did a speed sculpt to enhance my skills with zbrush.
don't pay attention to the paint....cus i tried to stay within the 5 hour limit.
might do something with this caracter later......guess who it is lol

tomorrow will be caveman time again ;)
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[aby arty]

hi guys nice progress
ill be up soon too .
i wanted to ask you strict9 , that could u tell when we paint color on to our models in zbrush , what do we do if leaving the projection master makes the colored part ruin , i mean it develops some new texture when i drop from pm. cud u tell me what am i doing wrong.

[arthurduque]

In 2002 I made this animation in the flash of a caveman called "marretopitecus", and I think I will use it as a reference for the next job

And that the translation of texts that appear in the animation:
Openig
Your instincts begin to touch on "food!"
1- hunting time
2- the search is very hard
3- and so...
4-The ideal prey is found!
The End
production by Arthur Duque

Link Cave Man Animation (http://www.geocities.com/marozaca2002/caverna.html)

If someone has this curiosity is the site link I made in 2002 (I am getting old!) But it is all in Portuguese
www.geocities.com/marozaca2002

And
DaddyDoom great work!!!

[Nocturn8]

just a few things that I would like to share

Stick figures ( anatomy? nah... yet very famous )
the Monalisa ( even without the eyebrows... very very famous)
The aliens ( I believe that there is no absolute anatomical fact exist and yet there are lots of famous movies and artworks here and there )
Southpark ( I love them but i think they would'nt look better with mr.universe' six packs, would they?)

There are a lot more that can be cited......imperfect and yet famous.......Inventors but not geniuses.

The thing is, it's not all about the artwork but the heart we put in it during the course, the time, the dedication, and (forum wise) the friends we get to meet on the way. The life of an artwork does'nt only depend on itself but on the heart of the artist as well. We're here to support and help each other. . . This forum not only develops our artistic abilities but if you watch closely... it will also improve our personalities too.

[mies]

i feel some anger coming of what i wrote, and let me asure u, that i never ever intended to atack u personaly or give u the impresion that u suck. if i did how ever i do appologize and hope u can accept them.

please let me explain myself a little more. i never ment that u should make a perfect anotomy and ofc u right thats not something that is needed. what i tried to tell u was what i sah and felt looking at ur wip to help. i think thats the reason i myself am trying to compete here. because every1 looks at things diferent en sometimes the ideas i get from people are simply brilant and i would never came to that by myself. i really thought it would, in my opinion improve ur scene, and i also think that u are capeble to improve it a little. by that i also dont mean every muscle, just roughly here and there.

and to respond to something other people said, in alot of cartoons things are more correct than we realize. take the stick man, ofc his muscles arnt there but the limps are pretty much the right length and the joints are correctly placed. and yes in alot of cartoons proportions are exagurated but still alot of them are there. and b4 being able to play with those a simple study of how they are roughly can be very helpfull. this how ever is a very cool subject to discus, atleast i think so.

so once again, what i said wasnt ment to talk u down, or insult or irritate u in any way, if i did im very srry. i ment to motivate people as i myself get motivated by how well others help me everytime i attempt to make something. feel free to ignore what i said and i hope i didnt spoile the fun outa it for you.:haha:

[JKronk]

Well, I just have an idea, but the model does not work for her.

I need a long neck, and a body more disservice, so I have to start all over again.

Don´t fight, life is beautiful, and this is just for fun.

JKronk

[DaddyDoom]

I wouldn't say anger, but I do felt some frustration when I read your previous post. By looking at other sections of this forum, I constantly remember how poor my abilities on 3D are (taking for example the Dominance War III threads), but there's one thing that keeps pushing, which is the pleasure of creating things from nothing (no matter how technically poor they might seem to others, they are always new and exciting to me).

I know that there's a lot that I can improve in my scene, and I have the rest of the month to do it. Also, I always ask people for suggestions and possible inputs. I know that the character is not perfect (specially the hands... i hate to draw hands and I hate to model them). At this point, since I haven't found a decent step by step Cinema4 rigging tutorial for self-taught dummies like me, I have to model the characters in the final position, and that sucks, because everybody knows that it's better to model in the generic DaVinci position and then repose it with rigging. Still, at this point, I'm twitching small details in stuff I get to the notion that are not fit even within the cartoon realm and it would have been 1000 times better if you started out by pointing what can I exactly improve, instead of coming a bit harsh as you did.

I understand your reasons, and even though we don't really know each other, I can only say you're a cool guy who took a wrong choice of words. No harm done, no love lost :)

Now go pull some points, verts and polys :smug:

Ugga!
DD

[Nocturn8]

yay... now that's much better.
Mies: ya.me too, i think you're such a nice fella... just the wrong choice of words... but i think you're cool.
daddydoom: you're one of the reasons i do 3d more now.
now let's keep going...

[tinpau]

Well ... since i didn't have time for the executioner... I am making time for the caveman.

Here is my concept art (using that term loosely) for him.

Tinpau

[strict9]

hi guys nice progress
ill be up soon too .
i wanted to ask you strict9 , that could u tell when we paint color on to our models in zbrush , what do we do if leaving the projection master makes the colored part ruin , i mean it develops some new texture when i drop from pm. cud u tell me what am i doing wrong.


i'm not sure what you mean.
i don't use projection master, i directly paint the model.
what i do is click M and go to colour and fill object so the matcap will stay and won't go to default at restart
than i put the Z depth slider to 1 so it won't warp anything when colouring.
hope it helps

[Nato_VanDookie]

Here's my character concept... not my final composition.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c62/nato_vandookie/scan033.jpg

[DaddyDoom]

cool stuff Nato!

[Noviski]

I'm a big fan of DaddyDoom's work, one of the reason also I allways come back to see and participate at those STYLISED Challenges (OK, we have the prizes, but is not so important...:roll:). That's mean "style", everyone has yours, so if someone is looking for anything "anathomic perfectly", sorry, you're on the wrong forum...:crazy:
Working fast doesn't mean you're lacky either, some of the most famous and beloved cartoon characters are made with simple lines. I love, for example, the Gendy Tartakowsky style characters, like Samurai Jack, Dexter and Powerpuff Girls.
All I looking here is, as I mentioned at others Challenge, is CONTENT. Doesn't matter "render quality", or "how much hours" you take to build your scene, but dammit, it's must be FUNNY TO ME! But, it's my opinion and I think is approaching with the forum's objective (as you can read at the FAQs thread).;P
So, DaddyDoom, keeps your amazing and funny style. You're not Picasso, I know, and I doubt you can create a fantastic bull image like this famous one (http://pages.cpsc.ucalgary.ca/~sheelagh/personal/reps/bulls/bull11.jpg) made by him, but I'm your big fan anyway! ;)

Cheers!:wave:

[Nato_VanDookie]

Thanks DaddyDoom... Great scene you have going... love the fire effect.

[DaddyDoom]

Novisky, tnx for the kind words, but all is cool now (I think...) :)

Nato, tnx! The fire effect was added in photoshop using a reference pic. But that image is still a low res render test. Not the final one yet.

Ugga!
DD

[grafixsuz]

O.k. I have started. Just ploding along, see how things turn out!

http://img100.imageshack.us/img100/2751/caveman4my5.jpg

Comments welcome.

[grafixsuz]

just a little more added and thickened arms.

http://img405.imageshack.us/img405/9324/caveman5sq3.jpg

seeya!

[grafixsuz]

Another update on the last one.

Has some covering.:drool::drool:

http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/9302/caveman6eg5.jpg

No the covering has fur and added some jewelery

http://img265.imageshack.us/img265/4540/caveman7su4.jpg

In an environment

http://img529.imageshack.us/img529/4764/caveman9nu4.jpg

http://img524.imageshack.us/img524/5798/cavemana1ed1.jpg


Any comments will be fine.

[Lynette-3dt]

hey guys, i just wanted to butt in on your anatomy conversations going on in this thread... :)

i basically just wanted to say that you wouldn't go wrong in studying anatomy to help you in your work - be it stylised or realistic. What I'm saying is: an understanding of anatomy will give you an understanding of how things work and move, which will always be useful in work where you are creating something which references; something that exists in real life (or fictional life)... Okay, so we could play the argument of South Park characters and the like - which are all (or mostly ;)) very cool, I agree, but when you're creating 3D scenes and characters for challenges like this, then, even if they're stylised creations, they should still be "believable" in a sense that the viewer should still be able to understand how your character moves and functions in the environment that you're creating for him or her or it.

When you're stylising something, it's so important to study references for your subject very closely, as this is where you will find those intriguing little details that will make your stylisation kick! For example, with our cavemen and women, we should really be looking at studies and models of cave men and women and looking closely at the forms of their faces and how they held their bodies and walked... an understanding o all these things will really make your stylisations work!

And even playing the argument of aliens not being able to be created anatomically correct can also be contradicted, because if you were to research and understand our world's creatures and look into the characteristics of human and animal life, then you would start to understand what features help certain creatures survive in certain climates... so if you were creating an alien from a planet with weak gravity then you would be able to figure out how that creature should move and look and exist through research... and this is what makes your characters look believable!

I hope this is all understandable, and i hope it will encourage some of you to start looking at the world around you differently, as it really will help you to better understand your artistic creations and i'm sure your work will flourish!

anyways, i didn't want to start a debate with this message, i just thought it important to let you know that studying anatomy is important and will help you in your work, and that's all really! i hope this has encouraged some of you, at least. please don't shout at me if you don't agree because we all have our own thoughts and opinions on this matter and this is simply mine.;)

cheers, and now, over to the Executioner thread for VOTING time! woo!! :D

[strict9]

lets continue with the caveman chalenge:smug:
little update from me...going to redo the scene i had...simple because i didn't like it.
update:
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[MiVaDeBo]

hey guys, i just wanted to butt in on your anatomy conversations going on in this thread... :)

i basically just wanted to say that you wouldn't go wrong in studying anatomy to help you in your work - be it stylised or realistic. What I'm saying is: an understanding of anatomy will give you an understanding of how things work and move, which will always be useful in work where you are creating something which references; something that exists in real life (or fictional life)... Okay, so we could play the argument of South Park characters and the like - which are all (or mostly ;)) very cool, I agree, but when you're creating 3D scenes and characters for challenges like this, then, even if they're stylised creations, they should still be "believable" in a sense that the viewer should still be able to understand how your character moves and functions in the environment that you're creating for him or her or it.

When you're stylising something, it's so important to study references for your subject very closely, as this is where you will find those intriguing little details that will make your stylisation kick! For example, with our cavemen and women, we should really be looking at studies and models of cave men and women and looking closely at the forms of their faces and how they held their bodies and walked... an understanding o all these things will really make your stylisations work!

And even playing the argument of aliens not being able to be created anatomically correct can also be contradicted, because if you were to research and understand our world's creatures and look into the characteristics of human and animal life, then you would start to understand what features help certain creatures survive in certain climates... so if you were creating an alien from a planet with weak gravity then you would be able to figure out how that creature should move and look and exist through research... and this is what makes your characters look believable!

I hope this is all understandable, and i hope it will encourage some of you to start looking at the world around you differently, as it really will help you to better understand your artistic creations and i'm sure your work will flourish!

anyways, i didn't want to start a debate with this message, i just thought it important to let you know that studying anatomy is important and will help you in your work, and that's all really! i hope this has encouraged some of you, at least. please don't shout at me if you don't agree because we all have our own thoughts and opinions on this matter and this is simply mine.;)

cheers, and now, over to the Executioner thread for VOTING time! woo!! :D

Agreed!
One of the most important things to understand in this amazing art field is anatomy. When building/creating a character like a caveman, you should go back in time to see the mood they were in, to smell the land they lived in, to feel the fear they lived in, and as said above, we've come a long way for us walking the way we walk now. Usualy cavemen had a arched back and walked with little jumps like a monkey, almost going sideways like a crab. Hair looked dirty and sloppy, because there wasn't a hair stylist back then with some wet 'out-of-bed' look gel/mouse. Even in stylized challenges like this, the anatomy usualy has to be kind of correct in a way to be more believable like said above, and when creating something as stylized as South Park, nowbody looks at anatomy, because other features in this cartoon has become more important and push the anatomy to the background. Also with this challenge, it's about staging the character and posing with the right mood/atmosphere. In order to pose right, you can't forget about anatomy. Weight is in anatomy, balance is in anatomy. Posing is anatomy. (I think)

[Lynette-3dt]

Thanks MiVaDeBo, I'm glad we're thinking along the same lines! ;) It's so important; I really hope everyone will start looking a little closer at their subject matters now and truly understanding the characters that they're creating.:)

[DaddyDoom]

Just to clear one tiny thing out on this subject.
I agree with Lynette's and all the others about the Anatomy issue, and I never said it's not necessary. During college I had my share of anatomy classes and live human model sketch, so from the basics I have a very concrete notion of what Anatomy is about. Of course I don't know the name of every bone and muscle, and how they exactly connect and interact with each other.
What I said was, my knowledge of 3D is limited, and I use what I know at this point to create things that can be remotely interesting within the boundaries of my knowledge. If I try to enter these challenges with anatomically correct wannabe models, they wont look funny or interesting (unless you judge them by the pathetic modeling solely).
Anyway, as I said previously, all this discussion only proved to remind me the crappy modeler I am, and to remind me how much do I need to learn. I know that I need to learn more about body modeling, texturing, painting, rigging... you name it. But I choose to come in here, and expose my poor and simple techniques, and have fun, and at the same time discovering new things on every challenge. I've gathered more knowledge in 3D since I visit these forums, than I ever did before. It might be slow, it might not be brilliant, but them again, I'm not racing anyone but myself.
Perhaps I'd just skip this whole challenges thing and leave it to those who can really do something good with it.
I really appreciate your lines. I even try to see them as motivation words, but it kinda hard not to feel a great amount of frustration instead, because it seems that I really misunderstood the whole meaning and purpose of these forums all along.

Bye!
DD

[Lynette-3dt]

Hi DaddyDoom, please don't take any of this personally; nothing in what I said has been directed at anyone individually - we all have our own unique ways of working and methods that suit our own styles and ideas.:) I just wanted people to know, who were perhaps thinking that they needn't bother studying anatomy in order to create fun characters, that they really should try to study anatomy to at least get an understanding of it so they can then, in turn, apply that knowledge to their characters.

Our knowledge of 3d packages will always play a huge part in the parts of our concepts that are feasible and those that are not. However, it is always good to have a real understanding of what you want to do, so that you can then go into your 3d software and play with that knowledge - for challenges like this then you can even break those "rules" and extend the "truth" to come up with something quite fun and bizarre!

I really feel that you should give yourself more credit DaddyDoom; i've been reading so many posts lately on here from people who love and support your work so there is certainly no need or reason to give up and leave us! That would be awful if you disappeared as we all love seeing your WIPs and final images, so please don't go anywhere! :(

As i said, I really wasn't aiming my little speech at anyone in particular; I'd just noticed alot of talk about anatmony and that's a subject quite close to my heart so I just wanted to mention that it can always be helfpul in subjects such as these. No offense was meant and I hope you do understand that, as I would feel awful if you thought I was aiming it directly at you.

So, are we all still friends...? :)

[DaddyDoom]

Yes, I know you weren't aiming at me, but the whole issue started out as a reference to my work, so it all seems to be coming back at me again.
I thought I'd expose my reasons well enough, and though I'm glad that a few popped out to "defend" me, all I want is to move on and forget about this.
I'm not mad at you or anyone, just with me and my ineptitude :)
I'm now finishing the Making-Of for the Bull challenge (as promised), and for the sake of my own love for 3D, I might give myself some days off this whole thing.

:)
DD

[MiVaDeBo]

DaddyDoom, sorry for a misunderstanding, because I wasn't talking directly to you either, or anyone else in particular for that matter. Just wanted to share my thoughts on anatomy.. Nothing I said was pointed at you!

[DaddyDoom]

Ok dude. I know that.

DD

[Nocturn8]

I'm very sorry if my post made some confusions. Humbly....My intention was to motivate. I guess it's just hard to explain things (especially if not in our native language) as my English is quite poor. I do hope for forgiveness in this case and it wasn't meant to turn down anyone. Maybe just the wrong choice of words too! I also did'nt mean that anatomy is not important as i usually model anatomically with some of my projects, what i was just trying to say is that imperfection should not hinder someone to a chance of becoming famous or great. as the word "imperfection" suggest. And it's just that some people (as i have read somewhere in the forums) are making the anatomy such an issue that seems to turn down a few other members which kinda hurts. It's kind of frustrating that I do feel guilty and I now feel like I'm the attacker in this issue. Again I'm very sorry to anyone that has been affected of this issue and I do hope that the damage this caused could still be repaired.

Daddydoom... I guess it's not about you but more about me(It's the truth). My mistakes... and I'm very sorry for it. please do not leave the forums! The forums needs you. You're one of the greatest here. My respect
Lynette-3dt, Mies: My apologies too and my humble respect.

[Lynette-3dt]

aww, i feel like we should all have a group hug.:)

at the end of the day: forums are for sharing ideas, thoughts, work processes and so on, so it's cool that we're all giving our opinions and people are actually getting stuck into a debate about subjects. what we must remember though is that opinions are just that; they are neither right nor wrong and they are to be taken on board or left aside, so let's all hug and make up and crack on with this caveman topic as he's causing a real stir isn't he?

by the way: this new "SUPER Stylised Challenge" series is also going to include objects as well, such as a spaceship (etc.), so maybe next month we won't have to worry about anatomy at all.:D

[mies]

Lol ill try to find something else disturbing to discus about then on the space ships XD! no just kidding. I love to hear al ur guys oppinions and we al making alot of great points :). So maybe we should al now model in our own way and try learn more from each other.

hope u guys can help me out though, i need loads of help on my models but i dont have much time atm to work so hope i can share what i got with u guys soon.

[Noviski]

...So maybe we should al now model in our own way and try learn more from each other...
Bravo! That's the idea! :smug:
Before anyone starts to dissecate bodies to learn anatomy ;) , I'll like to say one more thing: be free for create, but knowledge are allways welcome, of course. Learn, not just about anatomy but movements are very important for who wants to work with 3D. And geometry, and physics, and a bunch of things. And, of course, eat your vegetables. ;)

Cheers!:smug:

[DaddyDoom]

I bet that next month we'll all be laughing at this...so... pizza anyone?

[mies]

i LOVE pizza =) me likes likes likes :D

[JKronk]

Great, I want pizza, I have big muscles to feed.

[messyjessie]

hello everyone! my name is jessie :) my friends have been encouraging me to take a crack at these challenges, so here i am!

i am going for a stumpy caveman :P

here is what i started today:
http://www.messyjessie.net/caveman-WIP.jpg

[Lynette-3dt]

Welcome messyjessie:)

[DaddyDoom]

Lynette, got my mail and MO files?

Ugga!

DD

[Lynette-3dt]

Hello DD,

Indeed I have - just trying to find the time to download and check all is there... As soon as I've checked it all through I'll drop you an email reply.:) Thanks for checking in!! :D

Speak soon:)

[messyjessie]

Welcome messyjessie:)

thank you!

everyones cavemen look great so far. i'm excited to see the finished products :D

[JKronk]

Here´s my new wip.

And now the retopology.

[Siege]

Wow...sweet stuff JKronk!

Here is my beginnings...I actually sketched out a model sheet.

http://www.lumaxart.com/siege/caveman/caveman001.jpg

Some overlays...


http://www.lumaxart.com/siege/caveman/caveman002.jpg


http://www.lumaxart.com/siege/caveman/caveman003.jpg

Inspirations are varied...mostly Vaughn Bode type stuff, and what looks like maybe some Sesame Street.
We just moved into our first home, and I finally have my work area set up. Just now connected my scanner, so now I can get a move on it.

[mythman451]

hey guys i'm having an issiue picking out my character from these two concepts. sorry about the quality, scanners down so i had to take pictures. I'm going for a learned caveman but my wife thinks the guy sitting in the chair dosen't look cavey enough. what do you guys think? Thanks
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[mies]

wow some very nice and inspiring drawings there. i find those more inspiring than the ones we got at the start of the contest. cant wait to see them in 3D =) myth i like the first one best =) very cool

[Lynette-3dt]

hi mythman, i guess it will depend on how you "style", age and set up the environment for your characters as to whether they'll look "cavey" enough... at the moment the 2nd sketch does look more "neanderthdal" - maybe because of his posture... the first one looks a bit too "evolved" right now, but keep going, looking forward to seeing more! :D

[strict9]

okay i suck...but i had fun doing it hahahahaah
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[Noviski]

:haha::haha::haha:
That's soooooo true!!!

[aby arty]

hey noviski i have been following u since december challenge , and ur speed is awesome.
are u still using carrara studio or u have plans of switching.

i hope this time u again give me a chance for a jaw dropping wow with your entry here.

keep inspiring me.
and thanks

[Noviski]

Thanks for your kind words, aby arty. I'm still using Carrara, in fact the version 6.1 brings a lot of nice features, like fur/hair, ocean primitive, a better bone system, and faster rendering. I think this Challenge could be a great opportunitty to try the fur at the cavemen cloths, but I'm still with a tight agenda this week...:cry:
Thans again! Cheers!:wave:

[stroggtank]

Woow! all these cavemans look great!... Mythman451, cool sketches... I like more the second one, as lynette writes, i think the first one looks more like an actual human with caveman´s clothes... the second one looks better to me

Hey Novisky, I was playing with Carrara´s new features last week, the improvement of some tools & speed is awesome.. and with things like hair&sculpting, i´m shure you´re gonna make even greater stuff... (it still has the useless storyboardroom :grr:)

:eek:

[Noviski]

Hey Novisky, I was playing with Carrara´s new features last week, the improvement of some tools & speed is awesome.. and with things like hair&sculpting, i´m shure you´re gonna make even greater stuff... (it still has the useless storyboardroom :grr:)

:eek:
Indeed. I've never use the storyboard room. Take a lot of memory when you use it, and I didn't understand so far why they still keep that thing.

I made some tests with the fur (http://www.renderosity.com/mod/gallery/index.php?image_id=1651671), a great tool!

Cheers! :)

[panduchox]

ok ok let's participate jaja

[mythman451]

Woow! all these cavemans look great!... Mythman451, cool sketches... I like more the second one, as lynette writes, i think the first one looks more like an actual human with caveman´s clothes... the second one looks better to me

:eek:

Thanks. I think i like the 2nd one also, now I just have to model it. :hmm:

[mythman451]

wow some very nice and inspiring drawings there. i find those more inspiring than the ones we got at the start of the contest. cant wait to see them in 3D =) myth i like the first one best =) very cool

Thank you. After looking over the pics again and reading the comments I think I will try to mix the two. I'll post another drawing soon to see if you all think it works.

[DaddyDoom]

Ok--- After a few days off from doing 3D, due to client work, I managed to do some tweaks on my "anatomically incorrect" caveman :P They're all small adjustments, mainly on the chest, arms, elbows and legs (which now are less cylindrical and more defined).
Also did some small changes in the hair set-up, and added some hair in the legs.
Due to heavy work load, I wont be changing much of it anymore, because I don't have more time to invest on it. I'll be saving the lower right area for the titles.
If anyone has some inputs, I'll be glad to give it a try, within the little time I have.
Hope you like it :)
DD

[JKronk]

Hello DaddyDoom, I think you got a great entry here.
I think you have a great composition, the warm colors for the caveman, the fire and the wood, and the cold colours for the cave an the background, makes a beautiful image.
I think, a good composition and a color harmony, is so important as the anatomy.
Bye.

[JKronk]

Here`s my wip.
With a good topology
back to zbrush.

[mythman451]

Hey daddydoom. I really like the image it has a cool kinda Ardman feel to it. I think I like the bones on the right better though it looks like a lot of open space with them on the left. Looks like I have a lot of work to do.

[mr_lemon]

hi guys...already some impressive image shown...DaddyDoom...you're pretty fast and my favourite one BUT check out that left hand before the contest finish...it brings down a great image like yours !!! ,that time i really want to give tou the first place ;).
I'm doing some sketch...something that doesn't happen often...and I don't have neither a tablet,so they are mouse drawned..sorry for the bad quality :D

[DaddyDoom]

Tnx for the kind words guys :) I really mean it!
mythman451 > I'm gonna leave that lower right area for the titles and signature. I also like the bones there better, but that would leave me with no space for titles... But maybe I'll give it another go, let's see...
mr_lemon > I wish I could model that hand better... I've lost lots of time around it, and that's really the best I can do for now. Do you have any suggestion on how can I get it better? As a 2D artist, I've always hated drawing hands, and as a "3d modeler" I have the same problem amplified 1000 times. By the way, love your skectches :D Each one of them would do a really funny character!
JKronk > Good start, very clean mesh! Keep on dude :)

Tnx again!
DD

[your so rad]

DaddyDoom are you going to put a reaction on the creatures face as he is pretty close to that fire or if not maybe do the classic sign of death wiht the X's over the eyes... just a thought!!

[DaddyDoom]

Hey dude! That could be an option. Though the present camera angle might not show it too well, but I made the creature look as dead as it can be. Look at the shot :D

[GARBO X]

Hi There I am in and here is my first WIP.
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/GoDiOuS/Caveman01.png

[mythman451]

Tnx for the kind words guys :) I really mean it!
mythman451 > I'm gonna leave that lower right area for the titles and signature. I also like the bones there better, but that would leave me with no space for titles... But maybe I'll give it another go, let's see..

If your going to do titles then the space in the image is fine the way you have it. It will look great. As for hands I try to keep them as simple as possible and let the mesh smother figure it out. :haha:

[mr_poppin_fresh]

Daddydoom, great composition you got there.

[DaddyDoom]

If your going to do titles then the space in the image is fine the way you have it. It will look great. As for hands I try to keep them as simple as possible and let the mesh smother figure it out. :haha:

Yeah... that's what I try to do too. Since I had to model the character in the final pose, it got even harder to model the hands, so even so I don't think they're thaaaaaaat bad. It's the best I can do for now, unfortunately...

Tnx :)

DD

[aby arty]

Hi There I am in and here is my first WIP.
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/GoDiOuS/Caveman01.png

hey garbo are the reverse thumbs intended or u overlooked it?

[GARBO X]

Hi Aby Arty. I am not so good at English and I can't understand exactly what you mean but if you mean that he isn't seem like a caveman then you are right but after putting some fur at the cloth and to him it will seem like a caveman. But If you are talking ubout the low poly piece which is in front of him this is going to be the cloth.

[aby arty]

Hi Aby Arty. I am not so good at English and I can't understand exactly what you mean but if you mean that he isn't seem like a caveman then you are right but after putting some fur at the cloth and to him it will seem like a caveman. But If you are talking ubout the low poly piece which is in front of him this is going to be the cloth.


garbo i meant to say that his feet are wrong. the thumbs should be inwards, i asked u that have u done that on purpose or u missed that?

[GARBO X]

Sorry I haven't see that. Thanks.

[GARBO X]

An Update Fixed fingers, remove the hair, finish the cloth.
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj86/GoDiOuS/Caveman02.png

[Siege]

Building the mesh up in Max.

http://www.lumaxart.com/siege/caveman/basemesh12.jpg

[aby arty]

Siege sir,
could u please tell how is this wire frame effect done? if u dont mind it that is.

[DaddyDoom]

Probably using Cel Render effect. At least that's how I do it...

[Siege]

Quick explanation...

Clone the model as a copy.

Put a slightly larger push modifier on it.

Using Material Editor put a white diffuse material on it.

Under Shader Basic Parameters select WIRE.

Under Extended Parameters enter the size you want the wire to be...in this case I left it at 1.0.

Hope I didn't miss a step...if I did please let me know...

[lythtis]

cool looking meshes guys. I had so time this weekend and started my caveman. yes the proportions are way off. i am attempting to make a deformity. would like to fin this one but work comes first. just have to play it day by day. keep up the good work and ideas....i just luv seeing the many diverse interpitaions on one subject.....

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/7778/cavexv2.jpg

if it weren't for us artists, the world would be one boring a** place..

[Calcuttason]

Hey guys great stuff so far! Im in! Heres my character and all the sketches it took for me to get to him.
http://img353.imageshack.us/img353/8103/conceptsxn5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)
Hope you guys like it Feedback is more then welcome! I'll color him and then get to modeling :)
Do we have to do an environment?

[Aniboomer]

yes! he's adorable, reminds me of the main character in "Prehistoric" if you remember

[Calcuttason]

Thanks! no iv never heard of it ill have to check it out sometime.

[DaddyDoom]

Cool sketches Calcuttason! Hope to see that modeled soon :)

lythtis, nice starter!

DD

[mr_lemon]

another sketch from me: working hard to find the right shape

[Siege]

Getting a little further...

http://www.lumaxart.com/siege/caveman/MeshFace09wWire.jpg


http://www.lumaxart.com/siege/caveman/MeshFace09wWire2.jpg

[Calcuttason]

I decided on color and now im modeling. ill post something soon!
DaddyDoom:Thanks ill try to catch up!

[messyjessie]

here is my second WIP :)

i've never textured a humanoid before, this should get interesting!

http://www.messyjessie.net/caveman-WIP2.jpg

[brianBurke]

Looking good messyjessie. Posting wireframes with your wips would probably help show the modeling. Keep it up!

[draleto]

here my conept, but I thing it is not final yet, I'll see

[Siege]

That's gonna be a nice model Draleto. Great sketch.

Think I am finished with mesh in MAX. Now to take it into ZBrush.

http://www.lumaxart.com/siege/caveman/MeshFace16.jpg


http://www.lumaxart.com/siege/caveman/MeshFace16b.jpg

[GARBO X]

Wow Dratelo this is very nice and smart sketch. I will be waiting until the final model.

[mr_lemon]

after a long day of modelling,hope you like it :D

draleto and calcuttason,great sketches from you two! can't wait to see them modelled

BTW: Sorry for not posting wires but i have some problem with the stamp buttoN.... :wall:

[DaddyDoom]

Great work everybody!
mr_lemon, that's looking really really good dude :D

DD

[mr_lemon]

UPDATE:
played a little bit with texture and fur,hope to hear your comments guys,and DaddyDoom really thanks for your kinda words :D

[DaddyDoom]

Ahah man... that looks awesome :D Wish I could model like that someday...
Great work!

DD

[draleto]

Hi, this is my experimental renders...

[Shahin_fj]

Well, I'm at this level now...
I just try to keep it simple, and ofcourse with details that fit to the style
I'm not saticfied with his hair yet
hope you like it.
(no texture added yet...)

[DaddyDoom]

Cool stuff draleto & Shahin_fj!
draleto, his body hair could curl up a bit, as it's usually no that straight... Now it looks a bit like shaggy dog's hair :D But the model is awesome!

DD

[Calcuttason]

Wow Mr lemon really great face has soo much animation potential!

[chubu]

wow, great entrys so far:

mr_lemon -great model - i like the shape of the eyebrows, but dont like the mtl. its looks like they are drawn with a marker on him...
i am also think you should work on his clothes more.

Siege - nice one, cant wait 2 see what will zbrush will produce :)

draleto - good one, but i think there is a little problem on the back side: in the front you can see the connection with the clothes in the belly is good the "tires" are falling right on the spot. but in the back they are not, they are too high or the cloth is too low. (i hope you understand what i was talking about)

Shahin_fj - nice one, love the necklace - cant wait 2 see textures :)

nice work everybody - keep it up!

[Siege]

Chubu, thanks for the comment.

Yesterday I watched your Monkey animation. Stellar work. Nice timing. Really enjoyed it.

Loving the caveman styles from everyone...

[mr_lemon]

hi,this is my first try at a composite,the pose isn't the one that i'll use in the final shot,I have lenghtened his legs because the shorter ones are a pain the arse to pose,especially in conjunction with big foot...hope you like it,btw ,I want to post the image before and after photoshop.

That's the after photoshop:

[mr_lemon]

and that's it before,as you can see i was carried away a little bit from a pose and light test :D

[GARBO X]

Wow Mr_Lemon you definitely know how to use Photoshop, your image is amazing.

[DaddyDoom]

mr_lemon, W O W!

[mies]

hes flooting in the air..nice photoshop work

[aby arty]

mr.lemon

that entry of urs gives a feeling of clay animation of 'bob the builder' level and 3d feeling like the 2007 TMNT movie.

just pure masterpiece.

[mies]

I got a huge problem with my fur. Vray hair wont render properly on my object. if i put the same on a regular sphere it works and when i put it on my model it wont. give a light cache estimation of 600 min. can some1 tell me why that is?

[mies]

hmmm well ok here is what i got sofar:
the idea was a biker caveman. and ofc it would need a bike :D.
so wip on the bike: http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii153/misaelbroertjes/bike.jpg

and the caveman himself:http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii153/misaelbroertjes/caveman.jpg

so what u guys think? ow and some ideas im still workking on:
- getting vray to render my fur.
- turtle shell as bike helmit
- maybe a bird on his stearing weel with a tiny helmit(awww how cute) so he can use it as a horn.
- something of a light in front of it.
- a tatoo

[chubu]

Chubu, thanks for the comment.

Yesterday I watched your Monkey animation. Stellar work. Nice timing. Really enjoyed it.

10x siege, thats means a lot :)


mr.lemon - nice photoshop man, i do have 2 little comments:
1st: as mies said, his legs are a little floating in the air (his left in preticular)
2nd: at the first look on your image, it looks like his standing in the entrance of the cave on the outside (probably because of his hair, i tought there is a lot of wind that blow his hair - also his eye lids that are half closed-protecting from the wind) after few seconds i realized he is on the inside and i got mixed up a little where the "wind" coming from

but if you say its not the final pose - thats ok :)
btw i do like this pose, and i love the visual, i think its really great :)

mies - love the bike - awesome!

[DaddyDoom]

mies, cute stuff.
You could use a tucan to make the horn :D They're pretty noisy birds.

[draleto]

helloooo, this is new render with few corections...

[DaddyDoom]

Cool stuff draleto :D
Where's the belly button?

DD

[draleto]

corection... always forget...

[weitastudio]

good work everybody!!! :)
draleto (http://forums.3dtotal.com/member.php?u=38071): Good style, I think you maybe you could make the fur and hair more stylised to compete with the modelling.

[Darkmatter]

concept sketch
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[Noviski]

Cool stuff draleto :D
Where's the belly button?

DD

Who's saying you're not worried about "anatomically correct" modeling? :haha: ;)

I wish have some free time to play with you guys, but I'm still very busy this month...:wall:

Draleto's style is one of my favorites! Another masterpiece! Congratulations, again! :smug:

Great job, everyone!:dance::wave:

[DJdude]

draleto: he could use some nipples. i really like the style. keep it up everyone.

[DaddyDoom]

draleto dude, you could use Tony Ramos (a brazillian actor) as a reference for body hair :D He is the most hairy creature in the showbizz since BigFoot or Yeti :D :D :D

[mr_lemon]

hi guys,sorry for my absence,I have really to say thanks for your kinda words and advice,today i've to leave until next week,so 'ill not have any more time to put hands on my submission,so,I have to declare that this is my final (if something change i'll post it before the contest end and voting). Hope you like it,as usual comments and crits are welcome

[Lynette-3dt]

Hi All!

hi guys,sorry for my absence,I have really to say thanks for your kinda words and advice,today i've to leave until next week,so 'ill not have any more time to put hands on my submission,so,I have to declare that this is my final (if something change i'll post it before the contest end and voting). Hope you like it,as usual comments and crits are welcome

I just wanted to thank Mr Lemon for letting us know he'll be away and for posting his potential Final image here in advance and I wanted to stress the importance of this to everyone else...

REMEMBER: You must must must post your final image in THIS THREAD before the 30th April 11:59 PM GMT

You must then also post your final image in the new VOTING thread which will be created after the deadline, to make your entry eligible for voting! The VOTING thread will be created on the 1st May and final image must be posted in there by May 8th 10:30AM GMT. The Voting will then start at 10:31 AM on 8th May!

Keep up the great work everyone! :D

[DaddyDoom]

Hi everybody :)
Been a bit away from my caveman, but today I've managed to get it finished.
Added some dirt to the image with Photoshop, I guess it was too clean and killed the fun of it a bit. Hope you guys like it!

Ugga!
DD

[justus_jonas]

mr_lemon:amazing entry!!!
DaddyDoom:Your photoshop-work kinda killed the 3d feeling. It looks like a drawing now. But maybe thats what you were aiming for. Anyway, great entry, made me really laugh out loud.
cheers

[DaddyDoom]

tnx jonas! You're right :) I might reduce the dirt on the caveman and leave it on the cave walls only.

Tnx again!
DD

[chubu]

DaddyDoom:Your photoshop-work kinda killed the 3d feeling. It looks like a drawing now. But maybe thats what you were aiming for. Anyway, great entry, made me really laugh out loud.
cheers

I disagree - i kinda like the 2d feeling you gave it, like an old painting or somthing. the thing that ruin me is the talking bubble. i think it is not helping the final image and you could easly replace it with a question mark or somthing else. the bevel you gave the bubble ruin the 2d feelings for me. other then that - its a cool image, little to many details so its hard to focus on it. but its cool.

but hey! - that only my opinion :-)

[DaddyDoom]

It's important to have different inputs! And at some point, I agree with both of you. I'll have a decision on the final image soon!

Tnx guys :)

DD

[DaddyDoom]

This is it fellas... my final image :). Made a few adjustments on the dirtiness (kept the dirt on the cave stone but reduced it on the caveman and other elements) and removed the balloon.
Hope you guys like it. Didn't have much time to work on this challenge this month, due to heavy client work, but within my limitations I'm happy with the result.
DD

[Nocturn8]

DaddyDoom: Fantastic composition DD... my son loved it very much and just set it as desktop wallpaper. Great job dude.

[mies]

trying to finish mine aswel on time so hers what i got sofar:
http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii153/misaelbroertjes/caveman-1.jpg

Onless i can get some time during my work 2morrow this will be my final. good luck.

[GARBO X]

I like your idea but wouldn't it be more funny If he is reading the manual for the bicycle while he is too close to the big rock?

[chubu]

where is everybody?
only 1 day left and almost nobody post his final image...
come on guys!
mies - i think you should take it into photoshop and reduce the green from the charecter. i also think you should build/draw some BG - it will give a lot to the picture.

[DaddyDoom]

My final is already posted :P

[Lynette-3dt]

thanks for the prompt, chubu - please, please, please don't forget to put your final image in here before 11:59PM GMT April 30th!

[mies]

garbo, thats a great idea! I wish i had the time to do that. not sure how many hours left till deadline but im at work atm so cant work on it. and when i get home i doupt i have enough time to do that. wish u shared that idea with me earlier =(

chubu, ill try that green thing :) and i was already working on the lack of bg. i first tried to put it into a photo but that didnt work to wel. was kinda hard to find a souting pic. has to be rock withoud anything on it from the futere ( or atleast something i can get rit of with stamp) with enough space on both sides and the ground must be even enough to ride on. but ofc if i have time ill put a bg in it :)

thnx guys for the input =)

[mies]

btw here is the test i made with a pic that seemed most usefull: http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii153/misaelbroertjes/finaltest.jpg

[mythman451]

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[mythman451]

And here is my final...no time for back grounds or much else. Hope you like! 114310

[mies]

update update : http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii153/misaelbroertjes/caveman2.jpg

hope this one is better guys. added background ofc checked the collour balance, changed the rock a little, added grass, and did some additional photoshop work on it. so today is last day for updates right?

[mr_lemon]

hi guys...for a series of unlucky events i found myself with two formatted hard disk...that mean: i've lost everithing i've done from the last 6 months...including my DOTT work (everything) and also my Caveman.So as i've no wires (no model) and nothing elso to show to you....just have to redone EVERYTHING from scratch...i would like to damn everything starting from my brother that put hands on my pc when I was away (i came from an absence of 4 days and found my pc that does'nt work anymore,can you imagine that?) and also I would leave some space to damn also manufacturer of bad storage device,in simple words,my semi-new external HD (500gb) has suddenly stop working (hope that's only a power cable problem)...so no backup and nothing of nothing...and one last thing...if you try to recover wXP from a bad crash pay attention if you want to use the recovery console...in my case i've not paid enough attention and make my self situation worst...hope to be back and running asap...see you guys,and shall I have some more luck in the next days...

[chubu]

i am sorry to hear that mr.lemon. :(
i'm going 2 back up my files right now!

[DaddyDoom]

Geez mr_lemon :( I'm truly sorry to hear... Hope to see you back on tracks real soon mate! Good luck on solving that crank!

DD

[Lynette-3dt]

sorry to hear the bad news mr. lemon. i'm sure your brother is feeling bad right now.:(

please make sure everyone that you get your final images posted in this thread by 11:59PM tonight GMT (make sure you've got the time settings set up correctly, too, so you don't miss out!) to make your images eligible for Voting! A Voting thread will be set up tomorrow for the final images to go into for Voting.:)

looking forward to seeing all your final images.:D

[Shahin_fj]

Sorry to hear that mr. lemon. I had such this experience some times ago and I know what you feel now...:(

Well... here is my final image of this month challenge & I hope you like it.
(Wish had more time...):wall:
As you can see he is to smart for his time!!
this one was a really good challenge for me.. good luck everyone!!

[mies]

looks like he doesnt understand it though..he has a *wt* is that* look. so could also be a discovery of some1 elses work who has to be very smart o.o maybe a time traveler o.O

[DJdude]

i like the time traveller idea.

[draleto]

Hi, here my final images, I hope that is righ thread, good luck everyone....

[DaddyDoom]

Great entries guys!
I'm now anxious for the new challenge :)

DD

[Lynette-3dt]

Hi Draleto,

Yep, you've posted it in the right thread! We'll also need you to post the same final entry in the new VOTING thread, which will be started tomorrow.

The new challenge will start tomorrow - woop, woop!! :D

See you all later and don't forget to post your final image in here before 11:59PM tonight GMT!! Thank you for sticking to these new rules - we hope they'll make things much clearer and will avoid any problems with people working on images after the deadline, and of course it will leave you all totally free to get started on the next challenge without having the previous one looming! So here's to a good challenge well done, everyone!

[DaddyDoom]

Lynette, already sent you the Executioner Making Of :)

[Lynette-3dt]

Cheers DD - I have your email, thanks so much :)

[DJdude]

fun

[Shahin_fj]

looks like he doesnt understand it though..he has a *wt* is that* look. so could also be a discovery of some1 elses work who has to be very smart o.o maybe a time traveler o.O

..or maybe he has a kind of over doze! (from discovering all these formulas)
But what I like about it is to leave a mystery in a clear picture!
Btw I like the time traveler idea too!!

Good Luck everyone.

[Darkmatter]

Sup dudes anyone for surfin?
Here is my final this month, he's about to ride some waves at his beach cave!

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[DaddyDoom]

Ahah way cool! HangLoose :D

[Siege]

Well, I haven't been able to do much this month. I got close. But this is an unfinished submission.

Missing is a full render of the different evolution stages coming out of the water onto land. Ending with a textured fully evolved caveman looking toward the future.

Pooh, back to life.

http://www.lumaxart.com/siege/caveman/layout.jpg

[DaddyDoom]

Oh Siege!!!!! That's so gothdamn cool man :D Absolutely love it!

DD

[DJdude]

thats a really cool idea

[chubu]

very nice siege! love it

[Lynette-3dt]

Hello All! :)

Okay, so we have the following 8 final images battling for the top 3 votes this month, as follows:
mr_lemon [posted 24/4]
DaddyDoom [posted 25/4]
mythman451 [posted 29/4]
mies [posted 29/4]
shahin_fj [posted 30/4]
draleto [posted 30/4]
Darkmatter [posted 30/4]
Siege [posted 30/4]

IMPORTANT: Now has come the time to post these fantastic final images in the new VOTING thread which has been created especially for Voting, here: http://forums.3dtotal.com/showthread.php?p=624493#post624493
800 or 1024 sized images are fine for this stage (but high-res versions are good for 3DCreative magazine!;))

Please post all entries before 8th May 2008 10:30AM GMT.
Only entries posted in the 'Apr 2008 - Caveman! - VOTING!' thread before this date will be eligible for Voting!

Voting will then start immediately afterwards and will run until 15th May 2008 10:30AM GMT.

We will post to commence the Voting on the 8th. Voting will be the same as last month, with each voter putting forward their top 3 entries, in order: 3pts for a 1st place, 2pts for 2nd, and 1pt for 3rd. This means that we will all have to choose very carefully!

Please feel free to give reasons for your selection, as it will be good feedback for everyone!

Thanks again for the great work that you have all put in. We look forward to this month's entries! Good luck, everyone!

Many thanks for all your hard work! :)


Lynette-3dt