Speed Modelling - Devil's Chariot

[Rich-3DT]

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Welcome to the second of what we hope are many MONTHLY CHALLENGES which are spread across the entire forum. This section is the Speed Modelling Section.

You're challenge if you choose to accept it is to make the best Devil's Chariot.

Idea: The chariot should evoke the onset of doom and inspire dread and fear. It can be decorated how you wish but should reflect the dark nature of its master and be suitable for being drawn by horses.
It must include spoked wheels but other than this the design is open to your imagination.


Due Date: 31st December



Time Limit: 180 Mins, multiple entries are allowed.

Competition Restrictions:

Your entry must be specifically created for this challenge. Do not use any pieces from previous personal works. We are relying on your honesty here.

Prizes:
Speed Modelling 1st Place

Shapeways (http://www.shapeways.com/) - $300 of 3d printing (models must be uploaded to shapeways before judging to qualify)
3DTotal (http://shop.3dtotal.com/index.php?cPath=21) - Total Textures 19DVD set - worth $748
2dartist (http://shop.3dtotal.com/index.php?cPath=27_34) or 3dcreative (http://shop.3dtotal.com/index.php?cPath=27_35)digital magazine, 12 month subscription - worth $40
3DTotal (http://shop.3dtotal.com/index.php?cPath=22) - Any 3DTotal book - worth approx $40-$60
3DTotal (http://www.3dtotal.com/) - t-shirt - $?? (priceless!)

Speed Modelling 2nd Place

Gnomon (http://www.thegnomonworkshop.com/) - Any training DVD (download) - worth approx $60
Focal Press (http://www.focalpress.com/) - Any 2 books - worth approx $60-$100
3DTotal (http://shop.3dtotal.com/index.php?cPath=28) - Any 3 ebooks - worth approx $45
2dartist (http://shop.3dtotal.com/index.php?cPath=27_34) or 3dcreative (http://shop.3dtotal.com/index.php?cPath=27_35)digital magazine, 6 month subscription - worth $20
3DTotal (http://www.3dtotal.com/) - t-shirt - $?? (priceless!)

Speed Modelling 3rd Place
3DTotal (http://shop.3dtotal.com/index.php?cPath=28) - Any 1 ebook - worth $15
3DTotal (http://www.3dtotal.com/) - t-shirt - $?? (priceless!)

Speed Modelling 4th Place
3DTotal (http://www.3dtotal.com/) - t-shirt - $?? (priceless!)

Speed Modelling 5th Place
3DTotal (http://www.3dtotal.com/) - t-shirt - $?? (priceless!)

Final Pictures

1x Beauty shot of your chariot. Feel free to post multiple angles of your model or just one big version on this page. You are free to do whatever post effects you like on this image. Be careful how you do this though, simple is often better. It’s up to you.

1x Wireframes of the model. Feel free to post multiple wireframe shots both screen grabbed and cell rendered, the more angles and good clear wireframes the better.

1x Clay render, a detailed clay render of the model created, again with as many angled shots as you like or one big render of the chariot.

All images should be no larger than 1024x1280 in a portrait or landscape format. All images must be at least larger than 800x600 or bigger to qualify. All images must be uploaded to the threedy severs via the attachment button in the advanced section of the thread page.

Time spent on the chariot does not include texturing, lighting or rendering.

State your software of choice, and time spent somewhere on your entry. Any additional details such as lighting and texturing and rendering times are optional.



Best of luck to all who enter.

[Psycho Mantis]

what an awesome topic. fortunately i have some vacation this month.

[rocneasta]

i have no time this month, but will push my boundaries to take part, nice theme

[pables]

Brutal topic!! Gotta love this.

[pables]

Is it allowed to do free interpretations of the topic, I mean for example funny stuff, as long as it keeps the evil and chariot concepts?

[Lord_doin]

not sure if I have the time, or the skill, but still, is sketching/ref seeking included in the time?

[pables]

No, only the modelling time(and time spent in creating your own displacement maps) has to be taken into account. Reference search, Texturing and rendering time is up to you.

[Krazy8]

Definately going to do this one. Are we going to just be posting in this thread for our WIP? or are we going to make our own threads again?

[rocneasta]

WIP threads, follow the same standard as usual

[adamos]

And what if i have allready finish whit my model?

[rocneasta]

well if you have already finished a model, you can post it but there's a chance you might be understood as posting a model already modeled prior than release of this challenge, or for another reason other than this challenge

[real08121985]

nice theme but "... and be suitable for being drawn by horses." is very limitating, maybe this aspect could be free?

[Psycho Mantis]

why that - between my answer and his post are 7 hours... if i hadnt been stuck to some bad movies, i would also be ready :)

[kevinck87]

hi everyone, I don't really understand the time limit part...
how do I tell you that I complete modeling in the time limit?

[tyrant monkey]

sounds super complex and fun; this is gonna need a little bit of thinking but am in the last one was kinda of fun to do

[Psycho Mantis]

hi everyone, I don't really understand the time limit part...
how do I tell you that I complete modeling in the time limit?

we simply trust you. and if you cheat, you don´t betray us, you betray yourself. and if you cheat and win - the prices will turn into little gremlins as soon as they get to you, and start eating you alive. it´s that simple.

[hammering3D]

hi everyone, I don't really understand the time limit part...
how do I tell you that I complete modeling in the time limit?

Is just the honesty of everyone to not lie and model only in the time limit. After all what is the joy to won something if U know U lie about it.

[hammering3D]

we simply trust you. and if you cheat, you don´t betray us, you betray yourself. and if you cheat and win - the prices will turn into little gremlins as soon as they get to you, and start eating you alive. it´s that simple.


yes that to, that gremlins are to be afraid of :ufo:

[ragupasta]

A quick question (which I probably already know the answer to). Can you make the backgrounds, textures and renders in a different package to what you modeled in? I think that would not be a problem, but I would like a little clarification. :lame:

[H2O-3DT]

ragupasta

Yes you can.

[hammering3D]

fastero - U should set up an thread and post the entry there, not in here, in the speed modeling thread (one level above this)

And the time use for shading and texturing is not count in time, u can take all full 180min just for modeling, and rest of month for rendering and shaders

but very nice entry u rise the bar up from first entry

[rocneasta]

just saw that there is a 180 minutes time limit, really pushing the speed out of speedy :)

[hammering3D]

but now an wip is thread is more suitable, in 180 min u can post some wips but in 1 or 2 hours not really feel for posting wips, and most people just post the final model

[rocneasta]

isn't the point of getting your idea across in record time not to be overly bothered with elaborate or simply presented WIP's...
nvm but still.

[Psycho Mantis]

i have to agree here with rocneasta. 180 minutes is very long. i couldn´t even enter in the 120mins comps becuase i dont have that much time at once. and doing 30 mins now, and 20 mins then, and adding it all up results in a model that isnt very good, and always counting and calculating the time is not fun.

i completely understand the reason why its so long. compared to the value of the prices - 60 minutes seems very short, and compared to the time limit that the others have.but 3 hours isnt speedmodelling anymore. you almost have to take a day off to model, texture and render :D

perhaps unofficial smc´s would be a nice addition. i´m thinking of an extra thread, like the post your simple renderings etc - that can go on and on. every monday a topic is chosen, and then you throw in your models, next week the same again. no prices no judging, but just c&c. like this is training for the real smcs

[adamos]

And you just talk, talk, talk and no modeling at all. So whats the point of this discusion?

[Lord_doin]

because he has a great point, not a great deal of people do have the time to be moddeling for three hours straight, and calculating your time loses time. Make it in parts you say, well, allright, but then you will have a lesser model, because you can't keep going, and once you are warmed up, you have to stop due to time shortage.

[pables]

Not a bad idea PsychoMantis, that kind of smc training.

But for me 3 hours is still speed modelling, depending on the model, of course. Spending three hours modelling a chariot... seems a good time limit at least if you have to add some evil details.

About modelling straight or divide time, well, we all agree is funnier and better to model straight the time, but maybe sometimes you'll be able to do that way, if you can't , (I sometimes have to do it) then divide, even if its not the same, at least you practice and take part at the smc, that is what is all about.

[Psycho Mantis]

And you just talk, talk, talk and no modeling at all. So whats the point of this discusion?

That´s the point.
I want - but i can´t.

and writing my thoughts tkaes me 2 mins before i go to work. compared to 180 minutes of modelling... i think you get the point.

[adamos]

counting and calculating the time is not fun.
Use AIR "Klok" aplication it will help you whit calculating time

[adamos]

I know that displacement map is couting to modeling time, but how about normal maps from PhotoShop??

[JAPO]

I may be wrong, but normal maps count into modelling time too. Well at least they did before monthlies...

6). The creation of displacement maps, normal maps and any splines drawn out in an external program other than your modeling software are to be included in your modeling time.

[MightyReg]

Nice challenge, I'm in! It will be my first speed challenge, I think 3 hours is a reasonnable time limit for this subject. I'll start doing some researches and possibly do a sketche tonight when I get home.

[Lord_doin]

is it required to have it textured, and if no, will it influence the judging?(wondering, cause my texturing-skills are non-existent...)

[rocneasta]

since it's a public vote first round of voting textures and beauty render is really important
if you can just apply matterial without textures while make it look good :) no need to texture

btw i reckon this challenge will be full of similar models, except someone comes with a brilliant idea, or finds a brilliant concept

[hammering3D]

is it required to have it textured, and if no, will it influence the judging?(wondering, cause my texturing-skills are non-existent...)

unfortunately the difference between old speed modeling and this new speed modeling is that here the beauty render count in judging, so the texture are important in judging.

But I think modeling is the most important part and U can "dodge" the texturing issue buy using shader's only.

[Psycho Mantis]

btw i reckon this challenge will be full of similar models, except someone comes with a brilliant idea, or finds a brilliant concept

*cracks knuckles* challenge accepted!

[Zlatovous]

Quick annoucement for everyone who miss old SMCs:

Unnoficial speed modeling challenge has taken the place here (http://forums.3dtotal.com/showthread.php?t=72029)

Topic: USB gone nuts
Time limit: 30 minutes, six days to accomplish. Go get them 'till they're warm.

I hope it's ok with 3dtotal staff? If you have your own plans and I crossed them, feel free to delete

Sorry for spam

[MightyReg]

Got a question, in the rules, it says :
''It can be decorated how you wish but should reflect the dark nature of its master and be suitable for being drawn by horses.''
I did a sketch, but instead of drawing a real chariot I drawed a carriage. You can see it on my thread: http://forums.3dtotal.com/showthread.php?t=71913
The reason I did that is that I speak French, and in French ''chariot'' can also mean ''carriage''. I would like to know if it's a problem, technically it can be pulled by horse but it's not a real chariot. I didn't start modeling it so I would like to know if it's a serious issue before I start. Thanks

[rocneasta]

me got's a questions :p

can we in the beauty render place foliage found in max - it's not modeling since it's just implementing already made models, but just wondering... since i know that not all 3D programs have the same ability so let me know if this would quality as a yes!

it would only serve to bump the scene a bit, by giving it more context

if ye say nay, we could always use it as shadow casters :P

[JAPO]

...I speak French, and in French ''chariot'' can also mean ''carriage''... Thanks

I cant speak for 3Dtotal staff, but in my books carriage is ok. If you spoke hebrew, you could have bigger problem, as chariot in Hebrew is "Merkava." Coincidentally its also Israeli 65 ton main battle tank and that would not fit in the rules :D

[Shuggie]

Someone mentioned displacement mapping as part of the modeling time, are we allowed to take the models into zb/mudbox to create details?

[rocneasta]

no ZB/mudbox are not allowed as far as i know

[Psycho Mantis]

actually normal maps created in other tools are allowed, but have to be made within the timelimit. but they are completely useless for a smc - because your unsmoothed wires get judged, so you will loose all your details you created by normals.

[Shuggie]

I was more interested in finding out what the situation is with using displacement maps but its cool to know that normal maps are okay, also if zb/mud are out are we allowed to use the paint deformation in 3ds max?

[penguins]

Quick question guys,
Can I make stuff off of references, like copies of references? For example, a war-hammer chariot?
I don't know the deal with the new challenges. Thanks

[Psycho Mantis]

i have another question. Rules say - must be suitable for beeing drawn by horses. My current concept doesnt include horses BUT it will be a chariot, and it will be pulled by something else. It is steared with reins and a kind of bar connects it to the pulling force. Is that ok?

[rocneasta]

another thing that might be clarified for not only speed modeling challenge is the 3D printing - from how to prepare models - there are tuts and step by step instructions, to what to send, since obviously not all models can be made, and it would be nice to have a printout of the winning model; but if the case is that the model can't be printed what to send etc...

the rule states upload it before judging - just saying a bit of technical and other clarification can help participants in spending less time with all that's involved

[czacen]

Hi everyone. Just wanted to wish everyone good luck for this month's contest. Some excellent stuff on the forums so far. Im gonna be away this month with xmas and travelling and stuff, but I'd love to take part if I get a chance. Keep the ideas flowing and good luck to all!!

[TylinaVespart]

Hi folks...

I'll level, I want to take part, but kinda nervous at the same time since I've never done anything like this before lol. I'll see how I go :) Best of luck to everyone!

[rocneasta]

don't be nervous, just take action! best way to get feedback, experience and so much searched for knowledge.
for instance i'm already working on my 3rd concept even though i might not even get to finish the second concept :(

[TylinaVespart]

I think I have an idea of what I want to do lol. Looking forward to it :) No doubt once I'm done with the first one I'll want to try another though :P

I'm sure you'll get there ^_^ Like your first concept btw, menacing

[rocneasta]

tnx, now go and start modelin' :p

[TylinaVespart]

tnx, now go and start modelin' :p

Need to wait til Thursday for access to software :p but you bet I will ^_^

[rocneasta]

i reckon sketching till Thursday is a good thing to spend your time on

[TylinaVespart]

Exactly where I'm headed now ;) Luck with your own Chariots!

[rocneasta]

tnx, i think a few sleepless nights should cover those minimal 24 hours a day brings. would love to live in an universe where a day lasted for 48 hours - so much time to work on things you love and to love the ones you love. 24 hours just doesn't cut it anymore...

[TylinaVespart]

Think we could all do with more hours in a day lol.

Here's a question though - are we allowed to use techniques like surface displacement when we're modelling? I had this idea for a part of my chariot and it'd just be much easier to do it this way, but wanted to make sure it wasn't breaking any rules lol

[divi]

sweet topic. hopefully i'll find some time between christmas and new year.

[penguins]

@TylinaVespart: Welcome to the challenge. Almost everyone here's goal is to learn and have fun. As for displacement maps, they count in the modeling time.

[TylinaVespart]

Sweet, thanks for that (and the welcome) ^_^ Just wanted to check before I went and did it, can't wait to start tomorrow!

Just starting out really, so hoping to learn a fair bit :)

[pables]

Just a question, has it to be strictly a chariot or can we make a 19th century carriage? My doubt is because of the title. Devil chariot.