100 years of Ford

[Trevorn]

This one actually comes before the first 100 years. This is one of Henry Fords first handmade Quadracycles built around 1896. Still a bit of modeling and texturing to do on it.

This one was harder than I thought it would be. The reference is a little scarce, and what there is of it is often hard to make out the details.

I'm also planing to do a 1903 Runabout. The first production year. If anyone wishes to post a new or old Ford within this thread I'd love to see it.

[Trevorn]

Another view

[3Dan]

Crisp&clean as usual from Trevorn.

A little color here and there might add up a bit. Altho i reckon these machines were not on the flashy side.

[Trevorn]

Thanks 3Dan. I agree with you about the color. I think he painted just about everything he could black, but I've stripped the black paint off some of the wooden pieces, and added color in the background. As well as a few more details.

[rubberduck]

It's a great model, but this looks wrong too me:o
The small disc is supposed to turn I guess, it looks like it can't because of the plank/board? The same goes for the bigger disc, sorry I'm being picky now:o

[3Dan]

The blue background and the varnished wood parts added a lot.
Henry preferred black because it was quick-drying (i'm talking about the Model T assembly line).

[3Dan]

A side view may clarify htis matter of perspective.;)

[Trevorn]

Rubberduck: nothing wrong with being picky. There are two frame supports down the centre on either side of the flywheels. Because of the lighting a heavy shadow is being cast on the wheels and the far support making it look like it's filled in. I will work on that becuase it does look wrong.

3Dan: I didn't want to take away too much from the authenticity, but you were right about it needing color. I think the new background helped a lot. Thank you.

[novoAlias]

thats a nice mesh, cars were so much simpler then aye?... but if my maths is right according to the date ford has been going more than 100 years?:o

[Torlok2002]

what powered that thing, thats not a combustion engine it it???

[Trevorn]

Blackwolf: Your math is correct. These earlier cars were one offs. It wasn't until 1903 that he started to mass produce them.

Torlok2002: Yes that's a 2 cylinder engine. I think the car was capable of travelling to a rate of 20 miles/hr. I'm not exactly sure if it's modeled correctly. My reference is a little sketchy.

Thanks for the replys.

[pradipta]

hi, its me pradipta,


i am currently working on 1912 ford T model and that is not fully complete and i would love to post it here ... shall i post the wipo model here ...

thanks for you reply ...

[Trevorn]

pradita: Yes of course you can put it in here. I Know you've got your own thread going as well, but it certainly fits in with this one.

[mmiller]

Trevorn
Very nice!

I'm excited to see other people who are interested in the technology of this time period.
Personaly, I think it is FAR more attractive and visualy interesting than contemperary stuff.
But that's just my opinion, and I guess I'm in the minority because you don't see much work based on these machines.

My main interest has been WW1 aircraft, but I've tried doing some research on WW1 ground vehicles without much succsess.

Then I thought a model T would be good idea as it saw service in WW1 in many forms and with all the nations involved.
And I thought it would be easier to find good refernce.

But I haven't had much luck with it.
Got any ideas?

Mark

[Trevorn]

mmiller: Thank you.

I also find the crossover from design for fuction to asthetic design very interesting.

As to Military Model T's, I haven't seen a lot of reference, but here is one link. A lot of old black and white shots, but perhaps of some use. If you ever do get something modeled I'd love to see it.
http://www.oldwoodies.com/gallery-military1.htm

[MrHorsepower]

My oh my thats nice. I havent posted here in a while but i just hapened to look and your excellent model caught my attention.

I don't have much time to model anymore tho i am gonna start some long terms stuff that ill work on whenever i have a chance.

[Trevorn]

MrHorsepower: Thank you. I remember you were working on a very detailed 34 coupe. Are you still working on it? If so I'd love to see your progress.

mmiller: I just have one thing to say to you. You are MAD. I checked out your web site. :eek:INCREDIBLE work!! Those are the most detailed plane models I have ever seen. for ayone whose interested in WW1 planes, or just great 3D modeling in general you should check out Mark's site http://www.wwi-models.org/Images/Miller/render/index.html

As to the link I sent you for the Ford trucks, I can see now that it will be of little use when your dealing with this level of detail.

[Trevorn]

One last update before I go on vacation for a week. Unfortunately I haven't had as much time to work on this as I had hoped, but here is the latest.

If I don't respond to any querries it's because I don't have access to a computer where I'm going. See you all in a week

[3Dan]

Great upholstery job:cool:
Superb model. Old Henry would be proud.;)
Enjoy your vacation!

[mmiller]

Looks good.
What a wonderful little machine.

I think you might be able to improve some of the textures though.
Lots of good textures maps of leather and wood out there that i think you might be able to use to good effect.

One issue that is always cropping up in the WW1 community is the color of rubber. It would appear that in this time frame it was not a common practice to add black to the rubber. This resulted in a brownishish, greyish, pinkish ?? kind of color.

I'm not sure if this also applies to the automotive industry.
although, at this point, you could hardly call it an "industry"

Have a nice vacation
mark

[mmiller]

Trevorn
thanks for the comments
I do love the details ;)

I just have to model one of these early automobiles.
looks like a lot of fun.

mark

[Trevorn]

I'm Back with a couple of updates. Mostly texture work, but a bit of modelling. I'm not sure how much further I can go with this one, my reference just dosn't give me a clear idea of what's under the seat.

mmiller: I took your advice on the tires. After looking at my reference photos I could see that all the color images of restored Quadracycles had black tires, but in the early black and white photos the tires are a mid grey. I just kind of guessed at the pinkish-grey color though.

Thanks again for the comments
Trevor

[Trevorn]

Here's another view

[Trevorn]

I just thought I'd render it with some of my other Fords:)

[Trevorn]

I've started to work on the 1903 Runabout. Ford's first production model.
This is how it looks so far.

[lilCara]

Hi all! Hi Trevorn!
A guy from CG Talk told me that I can find someone who specialises in Fords and can give me some critique, and I think he was talking about you, cuz he didn't give me the name...
I made a Ford Model T and I would like you to tell me what you think, plz...
Can I post the image here:???:

[Trevorn]

Sure I'd love to see it. :)

[lilCara]

Thnx!
It's not even half as good as your models, but I do my best...

[Trevorn]

I think it's looking great.

I'm not sure what year it is, but it looks early to mid teens judging by the body (I'm far from being an expert, but I do enjoy modelling these early Fords).:D

As far as critics go what I notice right off is that there is no frame. Nothing for the axles to support the body. A couple of other things as well. I don't think a model this early would have bumpers, and the suspension would be struts not springs. ;)

The modelling of the body looks great. The side lights up by the windshield may be a little small, but I'm not sure about that.

Thanks for letting me look at it. If you want to post any other updates in this thread go right ahead.

Trevor

[lilCara]

I'm not sure what model it is either, this Ford has been manufactured for more than a decade.
I found a pic with a Ford T with springs... I attached it.

[Trevorn]

HaLcIu:

Interesting I've never seen one with springs before, but after you posted the above image I found a picture of a 1911 touring car with the same suspension as the image above.

I've also posted images of a 1913 runabout this looks similar to the one you've modeled.

Trevor

[Trevorn]

Heres an update on the 1903 Ford Runabout.

[ronrn]

Beautiful !! Great detail. Where's the valve stems...hehe...just kidding.:)

[Daniel]

I admire your work man. The early models were great, the cars of nowadays don't seem to have the same feel.

[Trevorn]

Thanks for the comments.

Ronrn: Valve stems... I've never put valve stems on any of my wheels. I was actually thinking about that as I was doing the tires for the 1903 Roundabout. I should put them in.

DanielB: Thank You. I find there's something interesting about early cars, or machines in general. Put together with more thought to function than asthetic design, the result has an asthetic all it's own.

[lilCara]

Hi again Trevor!
Sorry to reply so late, but I haven't visited this thread for a while...
I made the springs cuz I didn't have enough reference on the axel and that was the only good picture I found. Where did you find these images? Then it means making the springs wasn't a mistake! Hope it wasn't...
I attached an image of my ford from another angle and with some modifications on the lighting.

Your Runabout is getting better and better! Keep us updated, k?

[lilCara]

Oooops... I deleted the attachement by mistake
Well here it is:

[3Dan]

Hello back from vacations i must say this is a sexy roundabout you've done, Trevorn, it looks like the real thing as always. Colors are great.
You might use self-illumination on the light fittings (the lanterns) to make them brighter. And valve stems, as ronr pointed out, might be a nice touch.
But why did you left the Xperimental Ford out of the rendering?
;)


HaLcIu: The model is very faithful but the radiator should have sharper edges. These spring suspension are surprising.
Increasing the RGB output might make the body more contrasting, as the details are hard to see.

[lilCara]

Hi 3Dan-3DT!
I know about the edges on the radiator... It looks like that cuz of the mesh smooth, but it is too late for any modifications.
I don't really know what you mean about increasing the RGB output... I still have a lot to learn...
If you want to see the details, I attached a render without any textures. I hope Trevor won't mind me attaching too many images, cuz after all this is his thread.

[3Dan]

Originally posted by HaLcIu
I know about the edges on the radiator... It looks like that cuz of the mesh smooth, but it is too late for any modifications.
I don't really know what you mean about increasing the RGB output... I still have a lot to learn...

Hey, do create your own thread so you'll be at ease:)
Why too late? I'm always coming back to my own models, finetuning them here and there when i have the spare time.
Just chamfer the edges - if they are polys - in the radiator and cowling so mesh smooth works fine.

[lilCara]

It is too late to chamfer the edges because I selected only some of the polygons and used the Editable Poly mesh smooth (I hope you understand what I mean, I can't explain that well...). Why didn't I think of chamfering the edges before???...
About the "increasing the RGB output", I don't know what you mean... I am far from mastering 3Ds Max

[3Dan]

Sorry i forgot that topic.
If you use a black car color that uses Raytrace as reflection, and if you assign an environmental map to it, click on this map and search for Output, then increase it to 1,5 or 2,0.

[Trevorn]

Sorry I didn't get back sooner. We had a holiday weekend here in Canada. Which of course means that if you want to actually take the holiday you have to work twice as hard before it.

HaLcIu: Your model is still looking great. Sorry I can't really help you with any Max specific questions. But 3Dan is your man for that. Again I have no problem with you posting in this thread. It's for any Ford, Not just mine.

3Dan-3DT- Hope you had a great vaction, although I 'm not sure where a person from Rio would go for a vaction:cool: . The Beach:D ?
You're right about the lamps. I'll adjust that. And add the valve stems.

I hope to have an update soon.

[lilCara]

Hi Trevor! Welcome back! How was your holiday?
Hope you'll post more updates on the Runabout now.

Can you attach a bigger image of your Model T, I just wanna compare my Ford to yours...

[Trevorn]

HaLcIu. I had a nice holiday Thank You. Here's a post of the Model T from My Avatar.

[Trevorn]

Sorry HaLcIu. For whatever reason My attachment isn't posting. I'll Try again a little later.

[Trevorn]

One more try

[lilCara]

It still doesn't work.
I've seen some other members having problems with attachments... Just dunno why

[3Dan]

Once in a while it happens *sigh*
I suffered a lot from it when i switched to broadband.
Either blame it on Threedy or - most likely - your own server.

Anyway Trevorn i hope your vacations were restful. My own were:D So much beach you HAVE to take a break in the hills!

Here is my contribution to this anniversary thread:
http://forums.3dtotal.com/attachment.php?s=&attachmentid=17648

[Trevorn]

Not sure what happened either but it seems to have sorted itself out. I'll try again.

The hills sounds nice. I took my wife and kids to cottage on a lake.:)

[rubberduck]

Looks awesome Treworn:) You wouldn't happen to know where to find or have some blueprints of any Ford tractors?
Thought I would ask since you're the "Ford" guy here:D

[lilCara]

Wow... It's almost flawless... No way my Ford could ever compare to yours...

But there are very few crits. Well, here goes: You said that my car has no frame, nothing for the axel to suport the body. Well your doesn't either...

Btw: Ford Model T only came in black. I heard that Henry Ford said: "You can have any color you like as long as it's black". But as long as it's your car, you can make it any color you like!

[offtopic] Your wife and kids? Well I guess I'm a lot younger than you, this year I'm entering the 7th grade :D

[Radarhead]

Nice work as always Trevorn. I missed this thread. Are you using the same rendering engine? They look more realistic for some reason.

[3Dan]

I love the roguish camera angle, hides the boxy shape.
The glass panes however throw funny reflections, they mirror the inside.

[Trevorn]

Rubberduck: Thank you. As far as blueprints go I've never found blueprints for these older Fords. I usually just do an image searh on google then pick the best of what I find. Which in some cases such as the Quadracyle isn't much.

HaLcIu: Thank you. The frame is there, it's just a little hard to see. If you look at the Radiator there is a piece underneath that supports it. that is the front of the frame. You actually modelled that. But directly behind that there are two main supports that attach perpendicur to it. These are what the suspension and axles attach to. I think these are missing on your model.
And yes your right about the color and the quote. It should be black but a lot of the restored Model T's do have color. Not authentic, but it seems to be accepted.

Off Topic: Grade 7 and you can model like this. I'm impressed, and a little scared. Great work!!:D

Radarhead: Thank you. It's the same application but there has been a recent update. The Renderer was one of the tweaks.

3Dan-3DT: Your right about the reflections I'll work on those.

[Trevorn]

A couple of updates. A little more detail

[Trevorn]

and here's a close-up to see the valve stems.

[lilCara]

Originally posted by Trevorn
Off Topic: Grade 7 and you can model like this. I'm impressed, and a little scared. Great work!!:D

I'll take that as a compliment :D Thanks. In Romania we start school at 7 years, I think that's one year later than in Canada

About the blueprints, I modelled my Model T with blueprints that I found on www.suurland.com, but I didn't find anything about tractors.

About that Runabout, that is something else! Great detail! On the internet I only found three low-res pics of your runabout. So it's hard to find reference, I guess.

Tomorrow I'm going to the mountains for a week with my brother and parents, it's my turn!
Bye for now

[Trevorn]

HaLcIu. It was definetly a compliment.:)

Some more updates. I've added some more detail and done a touring version of the car. Which looks to me like a two seat attachment to the runabout.

[Trevorn]

Here's the runabout on its own.

[Trevorn]

And here's the touring.

[3Dan]

Excellent job, Trevorn. :cool:

[Daniel]

:drool: :drool: :drool:

[RickStefani]

My god, look at that detail. Very nice work.

[3Dan]

I can see your renderings are more colorful and contrasting, is that the new render or a little Pshop polishing?;)

[Trevorn]

Thanks for the comments.

3Dan: I've really just fiddled with textures and lighting. I put a bunch of glow panels above the cars to simulate overhead lights and give it that really high gloss.

[Trevorn]

This may be ready for the finished gallery. Let me know what you think.

[3Dan]

Fire away!:cool:
Some cloned clumps of grass could be rotated, others stretched to look more natural.

[mmiller]

Trevorn
Looks good to me.

A couple of suggestions:
The grass clumps do look a little ... off
You might want to consider just eliminating the ones in the foreground entirely as I don't think they are adding much to the overall composition.

Also i think the clumps are a little too green.
maybe try and desaturate and lighten them a little.

and it might look good if you dirtied up the tires a little.
as it is they don't look like they have ever been driven on.

But, I think the overall image is very nice.
Good job integrating the background
Mark

[Trevorn]

Thanks for the replies mmiller and 3Dan. Ive taken your advice on the grass. Here's another update.:)

[mmiller]

Works for me :)

Mark

[lilCara]

Hi again!

The Model A is fantastic! Great modelling, texturing, everything ;)
But I think the sun shines too much on the house in the background, but on the car it doesn't. That backgroung image doesn't fit in with the rest. The road should continue under the car or near it. I think it would look better in a different envoirement.
Btw, what program do you use?

[pradipta]

very nicely done ... i liked the final render ...

my model is not finished yet, i could not start texturing, not getting time to work on this model. here i am posting several renders from the scene. however, modeling is complete, a few retouch has to be made in some part ... need advice .. . thanks ...

[pradipta]

from back ...

[pradipta]

this one is froma orner ... would like to see some comments ...

[lillypusher]

Trevorn - don't know if still applicable, but a beautifully done model. very nice.

Pradipta - don't know much about old fords, so can't give you any technical crits. look very nice, with detail.
just one thing is bothering me - the last pic has 2 sterring wheels. the "real" one and it's reflection. but aren't i looking through the front window? so is that how it looks like through the glass? i shouldn't see any distortion what so ever. no?

[lilCara]

Pradipta, the modelling is top notch! Can't wait to see thecar finished. Btw, did u put two steering wheels? lol. Cuz the windshield reflects the steering wheel in a weird way. That's the only thing I can crit.

[mmiller]

Not sure if your software works like mine.
But that double steering wheel problem looks like what I get if i have refraction set too high on a transparent surface.

Mark

[Trevorn]

HaLcIu: Sorry I didn't reply sooner. Thank you. I'm continuing to fiddle with the background.Hopefully I'll post another update soon. As to the software package I use. It's StrataStudio Pro.

pradipta: Your model looks great. Incredible detail. I can't wait to see it textured. As to crits, only a few minor ones. I think mmiller is right about the refraction on the glass texture. It's too high. On the model the only things I notice are the fenders which I think are still a little thick, and the rear axle. It should be rounded where the axle meets the drivetrain. Also there are no springs for suspension.

It's so hard to find good reference for the frames and underside of these old cars which makes the underside the hardest part to model. Try doing a google search for cars around the same year as the one you're modeling. often parts won't have changed too much. Unless of course your going very acurate detail.

lillypusher: Thank you. Compliments are always applicable.

[pradipta]

thanks ... actually my refraction setting made the steering look like that weird... i will rectify that in my next render ... this a full rendering from a distant ... would like to see comments ...

[pradipta]

thanks ... yes, i know that problem. i will change it in my next rendering ... this is another fu lll view ...

[pradipta]

thanks Trevorn, i tried to do my best for this model. i am a fan of this ford models. i used to search a lot for the reference pics and got some good sample pics with me, if anybody want them i will post them here.

the windscreen i will rectify that very soon. thanks for your reply ...

here is another full view ... would llike to see your comments ...

[lilCara]

pradipta, not much to crit or comment about the full body view, except the fact that the front axel isn't finished yet. You didn't model the part that actually steers the wheels (I have no ideea of how it is called). Other than that, great job! Nice modelling, but the windshield shouldn't have that much refraction.

Trevor, keep us updated! But I've never heard of StrataStudio Pro, I don't know why...

[pradipta]

actually i don't have any picture of that part. i don't what that part is called, its very difficult to get proper ref of this model. but, i am still looking for sor a good picture of the frame below. and windscreen glass, i have changed already and will post tomorrow.

[Goj]

Great stuff man.

How did you get such good blueprints? Or are you just guessing for the details.

[pradipta]

thanks ... actually it was hard to get proper blueprints, i searched a lot in web and got some pics of the ford which are still in use. from htere i got different views ... but, i could not manage to find the frame and all those mechanical parts below the steeing wheel and engine ...

[lilCara]

Goj, it's very difficult to find good reference, but I found blueprints

[lilCara]

Pradipta, I hope these images will help:

[lilCara]

...

[Trevorn]

pradipta: Here's a link to the Model T Ford Club of America Site. Specifically a 1912 ford catalog with some acurate although not very large images of the frame wheels suspension etc. It might be of some help. http://www.mtfca.com/books/12cat.htm

[pradipta]

thanks a lot HaLcIu , for those pics ... it will really help me to model the unfinished part ... i will complete the model as soon as possible ... thanks ...

[pradipta]

thanks for the site ... great pics are there. .. judt love to visit thaose ...

[Trevorn]

Haven't posted in a while, but heres a new model I've started. A 1909 Model T. The first Model T. I still have a ways to go on this one.

[Trevorn]

Here's a top view.

[mmiller]

Hi Trevorn
Building it from the fame up ... excelent
That's just how I'd like to do it

if I can ever find the time ;)
Mark

[Trevorn]

Thanks Mark.
I found some fairly decent reference for the frame. Old illustations from a manual.
I find building the car from the frame up helps me figure out logically how things fit together when my reference isn't the best.

If anyone is interested this is a frame for a 1908/09 Model T ford.

[lilCara]

Welcome back

You are actually building it piece by piece? Looks good right now.
I think you are an expert at digging up good reference, cuz I could never find such images...

[pradipta]

this is awesome ... very detailed model ... the frame is very clear and nicely modeled. how did you find all this ref on net ? its so tough ...

waiting to see the finished model ...

[pradipta]

that reference image is excellent ... where did you find the pics ? i was looking for such reference on net for my 1912 T model ...

[3Dan]

I wish i could start my models this way, from inside out:cool:
How interesting, so the driver rode on top of the gas tank...

[Trevorn]

Thanks for the comments.

When searching for reference I've found that you can't just use the Google image search. Try the web search as well. There's a lot more to look through, but you find stuff the image search misses.

Also try doing seaches for manuals, or restorations of the car you are modelling. If some one has kept and posted a pictorial log of the restoration process you can see the car from the ground up. Here's one for a 1913, not 1912, but it could still be useful for you pradipta http://www.modelt.ca/features-fs.html

3Dan-3DT: That does seem odd dosen't it. You must have to lift the seat to fill it up.

[pradipta]

thanks a lot for the address ... it's nice ... good detaild pics are there ...

[Trevorn]

Here's the latest update. Fenders, rear seat, and many little details to come.

[pradipta]

extremly nice model ... very well done ... want to see more from you ...

[3Dan]

That's great Trevor:cool:
Hope to see some more views. A suggestion: turn the front wheels (and the steering of course) and tilt the camera for a more rakish look.

[Trevorn]

Thanks for the comments.

Once I get the model detailed I'll play with the composition, and get some more angles. For now though here's another update with fenders and added detail.

[3Dan]

This is indeed a bulky specimen. Like a small truck. Did you bump the logo or is it actually modeled?
Adding lightbulbs inside the lights might brighten them a bit.
My turn to wait for the Virtual Vintage Ford Museum.;)

[Trevorn]

Here are some more shots.
More detail added, and more to come. I've re-modeled the headlights and side lights based on better reference. I still have to create and tweak some of the textures.

3Dan-3DT: The headlights are gas so the don't have bulbs, and I haven't been able to find any reference for the inside of the lamp. These early headlights didn't have the scatter textures on the glass. So i've added a reflection map to the glass just so it dosn't look as much like an empty tube.

[Trevorn]

Here's an interior shot. still some details to come, such as the hand brake.

[Trevorn]

and one more a bit farther back.

Just a note about the color. Not all model T's were black until about 1915. for this year (1909) Black wasn't even an option. The colours were Green Red and Gray.

[3Dan]

Great detailing down to the smallest rivet. Did this beauty have any sort of reading instrument?
The tires look a little too bright, or maybe it's just the contrast with the dark green body.

[Trevorn]

You're right about the tires. That's one of the textures I have to play with.
As to the instruments I have some reference with speedometers and some without. I think they might have been an extra.

[rubberduck]

Wow, that's awesome work, you deserve your 5 stars:D

[ronrn]

Definately a five star rating. Old "Henry" would be proud.:)

[3Dan]

I'm off for the weekend, but first i must remind all in this 100yrs of Ford thread that tomorrow is 40yrs of Trevor Nelson.
So let's give this kind fellow and expert modeler our best wishes and a
Hip hip horaaaay:D

Coming to this Forum was one of the best things in my modeling life, and meeting people like Trevor is what makes life rewarding.

[ronrn]

Lordy, lordy Trevorn's forty. :D

could not resist. went thru that 7 yrs ago. Don't dispair. it only last for a day.

Best wishes and HAPPY BIRTHDAY !:)

[RickStefani]

I will not be able to post tomarrow but happy birthday.

[Trevorn]

Thanks for all the kind wishes, and thanks Dan for letting the cat out of the bag (uh oh was that an old guy expression...)

From here on in I intend to model only things older than myself....well at least in this thread.

Thanks again, and I totally agree with Dan about this forum. A great place for advice, criticism, and inspiration from people that obviously love what they do.

That's all for now, I have to go and turn 40.

[pradipta]

Hi,

i am presenting some of the Ford T cars that I modeled recently. And this is the best thread to place them.

http://forums.3dtotal.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=206457/fordtype5.jpg

http://forums.3dtotal.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=206458/fordtype6.jpg

http://forums.3dtotal.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=206460/fordtype3.jpg

http://support.discreet.com/webboard/wbpx.dll/~3dsmax/upload/fordType4.jpg

http://forums.3dtotal.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=205601/fordType1.jpg

http://forums.3dtotal.com/attachment.php?s=&postid=204084/fordtype2.jpg

thanks for watching,

[Trevorn]

pradipta: This certainly is the right place for these. They look great. They all have a nice style to them. not totally realitic, but illustrative. It suits the cars. Great work.
I thought this thread was long dead.

[ice|cube]

nice man both of u realy nice i didnt know there was so many people that likes the older car

[pradipta]

thanks Trevorn and ice|cube for your comment. i liked old cars of this period a lot and that's why this thread so interesting to me. thanks Trevorn for starting such a nice thread. i tried to make them as real aspossibele as per historic details are concerned. i am making few more and will post when they are ready.

thanks for watching, and speacially to Trevon for commenting,