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Old 23-02-2012, 12:07 AM   #1
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Concept Art Challenge #2
Subject – Fan Art



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Thread Naming: Your Name – Fan Art
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So for this challenge, I’m keeping it simple. No mini story to get the juices flowing, just the theme. Fan Art. What’s fan art, basically, art created by fans of a certain movie, cartoon, comic. So if you are a fan of the star wars movie, you can make Darth Vader. Fan of comics, create Super Man.

The timeline for this is wide open, so is the planet they live on. You can do a spot on recreation, or tweak the original to what you think it should look like.

Fan Art, make it what you will.

DUE DATE: April 29th, 11:59 pm GMT - SUNDAY

Idea:

Choose a character you are a fan of and recreate them.

Restrictions:

-Joint entries are allowed for this challenge, this means, you can have someone sculpt or model your concept art, but you must do all the conception and drawing yourself.

-Your entry must be specifically created for this challenge.

-You must create a W.I.P Thread to show off your work in progress.

-If you submit a final entry, you must also vote when the time comes

Final Pictures:

Required In The Final Post (1 post per entry):

- A link to your W.I.P. thread

- 1 x Fully rendered drawing of your subject, final image size is up to you, but should be no smaller than 1000 x 1000 pixels.

- 1 x Construction layout of your subject. Front, left or right, back if you choose to.

- 1 x Ideas page showing your thought process.

Prize(s):
1st Place - First place gets you 30 worth of 3DTotal downloadable content & a gold award badge.

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Old 23-02-2012, 12:28 AM   #2
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Big Toe, i made this image a while back - is this to be considered as game art, or just a recreating of a already existing character. Should we create something new exciting never seen before (like this doll with lipstick and a dress/steampunk/ sci-fi)
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Old 23-02-2012, 12:35 AM   #3
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if the character in the image is an already existing character, then, it would fit the theme of this challenge.
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Old 23-02-2012, 06:20 AM   #4
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if the character in the image is an already existing character, then, it would fit the theme of this challenge.
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-Joint entries are allowed for this challenge, this means, you can have someone sculpt or model your concept art, but you must do all the conception and drawing yourself.
Do i have to wait until my teammate finishes the drawing and after that can start sculpting?
Or may i sculpt the known basics of the character during this timeline
Basically a T-Pose Version that will be posed after his concept drawing?

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Do i have to wait until my teammate finishes the drawing and after that can start sculpting?
Or may i sculpt the known basics of the character during this timeline
Basically a T-Pose Version that will be posed after his concept drawing?

You don't have to wait. Its really up to you.
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