January 2012 Stylized Challenge #01 - Dragons - Page 17

glassdevil · 18-01-2012, 05:58 PM

Hello I was wondering if anyone could give me some rendering advice? (I really have no idea what I'm doing) I'm not going to have time to do any sort of background or scene so I would like just like to make a studio style render similar to what Jussslic has done. I set up the curved room thing and am trying to use mental ray rendering in 3ds max. Does anyone have any advice on how to set up the lights and renderer?

Jussslic · 18-01-2012, 08:30 PM

Glassdevil: In Maya + MR I typically use two area lights with the use light shape setting turned on. Then I increase the number of shadow rays until everything is nice and soft. Not sure if those things apply in Max.

The other thing I sometimes do for a really diffuse looking render like the one I posted is just skip the curved backdrop and just have a plane under the model to pick up the shadows... then composite it onto a nice flat or slightly gradiated background in PS. You have to make sure you render an alpha channel to do it this way.

eydi · 18-01-2012, 09:21 PM

Maybe your dragon would look more good with a different background color...

paulius-st · 18-01-2012, 09:22 PM

glassdevil - http://cg.tutsplus.com/tutorials/aut...-max-and-vray/

Avatar-3DT · 19-01-2012, 01:35 AM

glassdevil, you just need a matte/shadow material on a plane and if you have a light, shadow will be projected on it while background will show through, just like it looks on Jussslic's piece.

xxxcubanxxx · 19-01-2012, 05:52 AM

quick update on the pants, gotta hurry not much time left

tongeert · 19-01-2012, 06:56 AM

How could I create a normal map?

wil_himura · 19-01-2012, 10:50 AM

xxxcubanxxx, nice update, I like the new boots

tongert, I think it is possible to generate them from cavity or bump maps. Look for xNormals, it's a software to generate AO and normal maps. I use to do it by having a high polygon model with all the detail projected into a light poly model. But some kind of faking can be done from bump maps aswell. I don't know how accurate the result is but give it a try.

Adroit.jrk · 19-01-2012, 02:26 PM

Here is my shot.

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xxxcubanxxx · 19-01-2012, 02:54 PM

Adroit looking good, some suggestions if I may, since the dragon itself is red/orange, I think it would be best to change the color of the background and rock so the dragon can stand out, cause right now it's all blending together.

Adroit.jrk · 19-01-2012, 03:20 PM

xxxcubanxxx: ok i'll try your suggestion.

wil_himura · 19-01-2012, 08:30 PM

Hi guys!

Adroit.jrk, I agree with xxxCubanxxx, I'd try to highlight the main subject of an image (in this case your dragon) over anything else. Try with opposite colors, light, saturation...

I'll really appreciate your opinion now mates, I'm not sure at all about this but on a dramatical turn I changed my mind, and this happened:

The dragon needs a better render but that's what I had and just felt the need to watch it all together.

astroAJ · 19-01-2012, 10:17 PM

Wil change the clouds to 3D. They don't compliment the rest of the scene in 2D.

xxxcubanxxx · 19-01-2012, 10:25 PM

I agree with astroAJ clouds don't fit the rest of the comp right now, also don't go too crazy with the depth of field

astroAJ · 19-01-2012, 10:38 PM

Hahaha just noticed the deadline is the 22nd, I better hurry up and finish. Might give toon render a shot.

18-01-2012, 05:58 PM	#241
glassdevil Registered User Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 11 Thanks: 3 Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Hello I was wondering if anyone could give me some rendering advice? (I really have no idea what I'm doing) I'm not going to have time to do any sort of background or scene so I would like just like to make a studio style render similar to what Jussslic has done. I set up the curved room thing and am trying to use mental ray rendering in 3ds max. Does anyone have any advice on how to set up the lights and renderer? Attached Images

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19-01-2012, 05:52 AM	#246
xxxcubanxxx Your Cuban Daddy Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,154 Thanks: 149 Thanked 147 Times in 141 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 6	quick update on the pants, gotta hurry not much time left __________________ SKETCHES & WIPs PORTFOLIO

18-01-2012, 08:30 PM	#242
Jussslic Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Bellingham, WA Posts: 110 Thanks: 6 Thanked 11 Times in 10 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Glassdevil: In Maya + MR I typically use two area lights with the use light shape setting turned on. Then I increase the number of shadow rays until everything is nice and soft. Not sure if those things apply in Max. The other thing I sometimes do for a really diffuse looking render like the one I posted is just skip the curved backdrop and just have a plane under the model to pick up the shadows... then composite it onto a nice flat or slightly gradiated background in PS. You have to make sure you render an alpha channel to do it this way.

19-01-2012, 06:56 AM	#247
tongeert Registered User Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Holland Posts: 231 Thanks: 5 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	How could I create a normal map?

19-01-2012, 10:50 AM	#248
wil_himura Noobie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Valencia (Spain) Posts: 327 Thanks: 21 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3	xxxcubanxxx, nice update, I like the new boots tongert, I think it is possible to generate them from cavity or bump maps. Look for xNormals, it's a software to generate AO and normal maps. I use to do it by having a high polygon model with all the detail projected into a light poly model. But some kind of faking can be done from bump maps aswell. I don't know how accurate the result is but give it a try. __________________ DWV WIP entry Blog

19-01-2012, 02:26 PM	#249
Adroit.jrk JRK Mamber Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 194 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Here is my shot. __________________ Regard JRK Last edited by Adroit.jrk; 19-01-2012 at 02:32 PM..

19-01-2012, 02:54 PM	#250
xxxcubanxxx Your Cuban Daddy Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,154 Thanks: 149 Thanked 147 Times in 141 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 6	Adroit looking good, some suggestions if I may, since the dragon itself is red/orange, I think it would be best to change the color of the background and rock so the dragon can stand out, cause right now it's all blending together. __________________ SKETCHES & WIPs PORTFOLIO

19-01-2012, 03:20 PM	#251
Adroit.jrk JRK Mamber Join Date: Dec 2006 Posts: 194 Thanks: 1 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	xxxcubanxxx: ok i'll try your suggestion. __________________ Regard JRK

19-01-2012, 08:30 PM	#252
wil_himura Noobie Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Valencia (Spain) Posts: 327 Thanks: 21 Thanked 18 Times in 18 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 3	Hi guys! Adroit.jrk, I agree with xxxCubanxxx, I'd try to highlight the main subject of an image (in this case your dragon) over anything else. Try with opposite colors, light, saturation... I'll really appreciate your opinion now mates, I'm not sure at all about this but on a dramatical turn I changed my mind, and this happened: The dragon needs a better render but that's what I had and just felt the need to watch it all together. __________________ DWV WIP entry Blog

19-01-2012, 10:17 PM	#253
astroAJ ʘὦʘ → Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 982 Thanks: 119 Thanked 138 Times in 132 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 12	Wil change the clouds to 3D. They don't compliment the rest of the scene in 2D.

19-01-2012, 10:25 PM	#254
xxxcubanxxx Your Cuban Daddy Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 2,154 Thanks: 149 Thanked 147 Times in 141 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 6	I agree with astroAJ clouds don't fit the rest of the comp right now, also don't go too crazy with the depth of field __________________ SKETCHES & WIPs PORTFOLIO

19-01-2012, 10:38 PM	#255
astroAJ ʘὦʘ → Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 982 Thanks: 119 Thanked 138 Times in 132 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 12	Hahaha just noticed the deadline is the 22nd, I better hurry up and finish. Might give toon render a shot.

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