Matrix Revolutions? er... what the....

[handyandy2003]

Just wathced it on DVD and was pleased with it, as i had read lots of bad reviews, that was until around the 110 minute mark, when the final scene(s) came up. I thought the end was very disapointing.

A few questions though. If the machienes gave up all their fields of pods as the Architec said, they would all die right? cos thats their energy source! That seems crazy as they wanted to wipe out the rebels to protect the fields.

Also the second last scene with the girl and the cat. I thought that was the matrix being taken offline when they did the green writing washing over the pavement, but then the last scene is set in the matrix(right?). Oh my god!!!!!!!

Anyway the CGI was very good. I only wish Neo had kicked a$$ more in the super brawl rather than just being Smiths punchbag......

[happychopper]

Yeah - surely the world will become a stinking mess of rotting corpses - so much for those freedom fighting new agers living in the tunnels; they just murdered their enitire race. Messy film if there ever was one - a pity because it looked like a lot of people spent a lot of time in the artwork department only to have all their work chopped up into a mangled mess.

Coming to think of it, when was the last time you saw a big budget American production company make a bloated film which was any good?

Bag o' ****e

Philbo

[Zergling]

U-571.

I loved that movie. Especially the way the hull buckles whenever a depth charge goes off near the sub.

Still, like all Hollywood productions, it was unrealistic and unconvincing. But a good movie for what movies are...

[Ironbuket]

U-571 is unwatchable if you know the true history. Its such an audacious distortion of history its incredible they had the guts to do it.

During the storm following its release, even the filmmakers claims that the film was about "an enigma machine and not the enigma machine", still isnt a defence, because: It was the British that captured the first enigma machine and the 2nd and the 3rd etc etc. I dont remember the specifics, but either the USA never got one at all or it was after the Germans had already worked out the allies had them and so it was useless (it was one or the other).

Even if you forget about who did it, its still rubbish because nobody knew about the enigma machines. It was salvaged by chance and nobody knew what it was until it was analysed back in Britain later. There was never a mission to capture one at all, which is the whole premise of the film…

*nerve touched*

[happychopper]

Yeah man- I'm in the same boat as you on that one (geddit?!?!)

I saw U-571 on pay per view in a hotel while working in Hong Kong - it was laughably trite - and then guess what was on the 12 hour flight back to Blighty? U-571! You'll just have to imagine how swindled by fate I felt...

Back on subject: last great fantasy I saw must have to be Dark City - absolutely blown away at the cinema and endlessly watchable. Richard O'Brien's finest hour (not counting Crystal Maze)!

Phil

[Daniel]

well as for your take on the ending of Matrix, I don't think you got it. The machines didn't release all the people. It's just that they will let people leave the matrix if they wish and go live to Zeon, (or what ever you spell it as). But some people will choose the luxury of the Matrix, where they can fool themselves into thinking the world is still a good place to live.

[Ironbuket]

OK, back on track

Lets face it Matrix 2 and 3 were cack. 1 was ****** good, and they tried to extend the script and it just didn’t work. The first one had a few holes in its logic and as they tried to stretch it across 2 more films it just fell to pieces. It was nothing more than a money making machine for the studios.

Keanu would have done better to refuse to the do the sequel as he did when asked to do Speed 2 IMHO

I enjoyed the Animatrix more than the “real” Matrix 2 and 3. The Second Renaissance rocked!

As for Richard O’Brien’s finest hour, I would have to strongly disagree on that count. Rocky Horror RULES!

[Dr.N]

Matrix reloaded is much better !

[geoMan]

i like these movies and thats all...whatever they are.....the action is superb.....!

[hells angel]

beg to differ....i didnt see any holes in the matrix script...all three episodes.....
the source of the A.I. was the sun in the first place which the humans tried to block...it was only then that the machines took over the humans......(as seen in second renaissance).....so even if all the humans were set free the machines could still survive provided the cloud was removed which was only a matter of r&d.....and the matrix xould then cease to exist once all the humans were released........
all three parts of the matrix made total sense...atleast to me....anyone wanna point out any loopholes i'd definitely like to know..

[Ironbuket]

Erm, ok...

Why not put cows in the pods then theres no need for a matrix at all?

Why not lobotomise all the babies, then theres no need for the matrix at all?

Why not just keep everyone sedated?

Why is there a need for a matrix at all?

They don’t even need to keep them asleep. If they just lock them in pods from birth with no nurture or education they will act like cattle. Eat/sleep and not much else.

Since the animatrix was made after the 3 films had already been scripted, I dont think you can really say look they make sense because XYZ happened in the animatrix. The Animatrix attempted to explain the illogical things that were going on in the plot, and to some degree succeeded. Plenty of people have never seen them though...

The whole Neo/Smith balance, matrix being restarted many times before stuff was complete boll**ks and made no sense at all.

That enough?

[Fizzy]

I only say the 2nd and 3rd installments in the cinema and can't be bothered to see them again. I sort of ranted about the 3rd but I don't particularly remember all the loopholes I pointed out - there is another thread here somewhere.

What particularly bugged me was how Trinity went from one of the greatest movie characters ever to a mindless doting girlfriend in the last film. It was like the script was put to a boardroom committee and all they could come up with was a bunch of stock characters and situations.

I don't regret seeing these movies, but they leave me with the same feeling that Star Wars Episode 1 left me with...I couldn't imagine how someone could ruin such great intellectual property, but they managed to. I guess that's what happens when you're more interested in sticking you movie's logo on everything that drives by the studio rather than write a script.

[Zergling]

LMFAO @ Ironbucket.

Yeah, why do the machines always go for the hardest methods of getting psi power or whatever? HAHAHA

I've studied a lot of WW2 history, and the Enigma was commerically available before the war even started, so we already knew how the commercial version worked. The British did indeed capture the first enigma machines, but i think the tribute in the movie was for the naval captures (don't know why they needed more than one enigma... the machines weren't that complicated).

The dude who actually cracked the enigma code (or rather, figured out a way to crack it) didn't even have an actual enigma to work with. All he had was theory, and he managed.

I only saw the first Matrix, and i wasn't very impressed. I can't watch a movie if the plot makes no sense

[Daniel]

your trying to go too deep into the story... Just appreciate it for what it is man, not everything has to be 100% realistic...

[Ironbuket]

@Zergling
Partly right, but wrong

The British were able to decipher the German airforce enigma codes without capturing a machine. Maybe because of some of what you said. But, they could not decipher the naval codes. Breaking this was important because despite the fact the British had the largest navy in the world, most of their ships were slow. Knowing where things would be in advance was of huge value to them

This only became possible when an actual enigma machine already "programmed" was captured

It was captured by BRITISH forces. NO US PEOPLE OR SHIPS OR ANYTHING had any part in it. NONE WHAT SO EVER!

That’s why so many people were a tad miffed at the film which made out the US did it all. I can remember some of the actual people from the crew on the news when the film came out saying it wasn’t right to dishonour the people that died on that mission. The US didnt just have a minor role in this, they had no role in it at all…