3D Card question

Crawling Chaos · 29-03-2003, 04:31 PM

I was just wondering what, if any, are the advantages of getting a 'workstation card', like the Nvidia Quadro or ATi Fire GL, over a normal 3d card like a Geforce or Radeon?

Are their drivers and such optimised for 3D/Cad work?

Or are they simply faster when doing things?

Schwinnz · 29-03-2003, 06:14 PM

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Originally posted by Crawling Chaos
I was just wondering what, if any, are the advantages of getting a 'workstation card', like the Nvidia Quadro or ATi Fire GL, over a normal 3d card like a Geforce or Radeon?

Are their drivers and such optimised for 3D/Cad work?

Or are they simply faster when doing things?

Exactly.

Net Admiral · 29-03-2003, 06:28 PM

If u r looking for for REALTIME rendering only! then these cards r good but for "realtime" only in other words they handel the objects in your viewports making the working faster and better looking... and they allow u to icrease the level of detail without being afraid of system stability...but if u r looking for "production rendering" then u need rendering devices or drives!! check this link

http://www.art-render.com/products.i...rdriveoverview
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Schwinnz · 29-03-2003, 06:45 PM

Y can tell you that it's REALLY helpful when you do complex animation. It can handle a VERY LARGE amount of polygons, has support for things such as hardware accelerated wireframe, etc.

Crawling Chaos · 29-03-2003, 07:27 PM

Ah, so with one of these editing envelops on badly made models won't slow down to a snails crawl?

Nice.

Edit: WOW, those renderdrives cost a crapload, do they really render fast enough to warrant such a massive expenditure?

tradedaemon · 30-03-2003, 02:32 AM

I have one 60 gb harddrive and one 40 gb harddrive, ATI Rage 128 Pro Graphics, 640 MB of Ram, 850 MHz, AMD Athalon Processor, and using windows XP on Classic mode. What should I upgrade to make renderings and changes to scenes faster?

lockdown2000 · 30-03-2003, 03:50 AM

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Originally posted by tradedaemon
I have one 60 gb harddrive and one 40 gb harddrive, ATI Rage 128 Pro Graphics, 640 MB of Ram, 850 MHz, AMD Athalon Processor, and using windows XP on Classic mode. What should I upgrade to make renderings and changes to scenes faster?

640MB 256/256/128 wow....anyways....what type of RAM get DDRAM if you dont have that already.
its called ATHLON...but what kind..is it a thunderbird, XP or something older, I have a 1.4Ghz Athlon XP one.. So you may want to go newer
Get out of the ATI and into the nvidia's!

other than that...your computer seems to be very fast as is...

Net Admiral · 30-03-2003, 04:16 AM

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Edit: WOW, those renderdrives cost a crapload, do they really render fast enough to warrant such a massive expenditure?

Indeed!! the speed is superb especially with complex calculations such as reflections, raytrace, radiosity, GI, etc....

it is simply a super computer in a drive!!

tradedaemon: Rendering depends on CPU speed ... and I can see that your CPU is a little slow to reach the goodness u r looking for .... and the right thing is to buy a dual processor mother board... that would be the best upgrade ....
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Crawling Chaos · 30-03-2003, 05:33 AM

Don't worry much about the Graphics card, as that doesn't help in rendering, and lockdown ATi is currently on the top of the graphics card hill, at least in terms of desktop cards the Radeon 9700 pro, and now the 9800 pro kick nvidia's ass.

I would just upgrade the processor, 840 mhz is really slow

Go for a P4 2 ghz or over, they aren't too expensive and at the moment perform slightly better than Athlon's

Or if you have the cash, go for a dual CPU setup, I went for dual Athlon XP 2200 +'s, and my rendering has never been faster

Not as fast as one of those renderboxes though

insect · 30-03-2003, 07:00 AM

840Mhz slow?.. Heck, I'm still at a 466Mhz Celeron.

Anyways, good graphics cards just make your work more pleasant and smooth, it doesn't play any role when rendering. And the high-end cards are just "better/faster" cards, nothing magical about that.

Though some high-end cards support dual monitor setups. That's as cool as i can get!

kuman · 30-03-2003, 07:54 AM

well to be honest with you, a lot of the hi end cards won't give you that significant of a performance boost. at its core a quadro 4 is just about the same as a geforce 4. you might see some better drivers but i'd be surprised if you saw even a 10 percent performance boost in almost all of the operations you usually use.

good luck with your system setup, but remember that its not about the program or the rig, but about how good the artist is and how hard he/she works to improve. of course good tools are important but i'm always inspired by things like rustboy where someone does really great work with minimal tools.

-k

Schwinnz · 30-03-2003, 08:12 AM

What you actually need is a new cpu, motherboard and memory if you're not using DDR, and of course a new graphic card.

I'd suggest a P4 2.4 and over, a motherboard with the e7205 chipset (it's a P4 workstation chipset), 512mb of ram (1024 if you can afford it) of DDR266 (a pair is what you need cuz' you'll have the advantage of dual channel ddr, and GeForce 4 Ti 4200 or 4600 even 4800 or even better

a GeForce FX (makes a lot of noise, not acceptable) or even better a Quadro (750 to 980) XGL or even

a QuadroFX 1000 or 2000...

lockdown2000 · 30-03-2003, 03:08 PM

i know a new GC wouldnt give a boost, but I am just saying, that if your going to update, might as well, boost that as well. for gaming performance

anyways, ATI is not going to be the top of the line as soon as GeForceFX comes out. and then they model he has is NOT the newest...so....i suggested the change...anyways, i heard somewhere that Nvidia might cancel or at least postpone the GeForceFX is this true!??

840Mhz isnt slow...not fast either, its right in the middlish...I would not suggest any type of Pentium for the sake I dont like them, and AMD Thunderbirds and XP's are a helluva lot better. 1.4ghz athlon Xp = 1.6ghz Pentium 4 chip...so....

but i wouldnt go too high, as 2ghz etc are REALLY EXPENSIVE!

question...for normal systems, used for games etc and the hobbiest for fun 3d render 512MB....i use 256DDRAM havent had much slow down, and my comp operates OK, i am just saying do you really need that much if your just doing this stuff for fun? I keep looking in the papers, and want to get another stick, but i dont really see the need for ME personally, wadda ya think, for just plain gaming, occasional 3d render, word processing, 256 enough?

anyways...cheers....

RageCage · 30-03-2003, 03:20 PM

when it comes to your ram, if your using 3dmax, when you render, at the bottom of the info thing with all the settings on the render, it says how mucxh ram and how much virtual ram your using. if it is using virtual ram then getting more ram will help. but in my opinion the absolute best thing you can do to make things go faster is gett a better processor

RageCage · 30-03-2003, 03:23 PM

oh and also, a graphics card is somthing that would be great is you have scenes in your viewport that have serious slowdown. a graphics card will make that stuff feel great. which in the end really would make things go faster right? also if you get a good gfx card you can get better textures in the view port if you need them.

29-03-2003, 04:31 PM	#1
Crawling Chaos Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	3D Card question I was just wondering what, if any, are the advantages of getting a 'workstation card', like the Nvidia Quadro or ATi Fire GL, over a normal 3d card like a Geforce or Radeon? Are their drivers and such optimised for 3D/Cad work? Or are they simply faster when doing things?

29-03-2003, 06:28 PM	#3
Net Admiral Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 180 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If u r looking for for REALTIME rendering only! then these cards r good but for "realtime" only in other words they handel the objects in your viewports making the working faster and better looking... and they allow u to icrease the level of detail without being afraid of system stability...but if u r looking for "production rendering" then u need rendering devices or drives!! check this link http://www.art-render.com/products.i...rdriveoverview ________ Zoloft Settlement News Last edited by Net Admiral; 19-04-2011 at 08:42 PM..

29-03-2003, 06:45 PM	#4
Schwinnz Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 81 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Y can tell you that it's REALLY helpful when you do complex animation. It can handle a VERY LARGE amount of polygons, has support for things such as hardware accelerated wireframe, etc. __________________ "All animals are equal. But some are more equal than others. " -George Orwell

29-03-2003, 07:27 PM	#5
Crawling Chaos Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Ah, so with one of these editing envelops on badly made models won't slow down to a snails crawl? Nice. Edit: WOW, those renderdrives cost a crapload, do they really render fast enough to warrant such a massive expenditure? Last edited by Crawling Chaos; 29-03-2003 at 07:31 PM..

30-03-2003, 02:32 AM	#6
tradedaemon Registered User Join Date: Mar 2003 Posts: 73 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I have one 60 gb harddrive and one 40 gb harddrive, ATI Rage 128 Pro Graphics, 640 MB of Ram, 850 MHz, AMD Athalon Processor, and using windows XP on Classic mode. What should I upgrade to make renderings and changes to scenes faster? __________________ Reality is Gone

30-03-2003, 05:33 AM	#9
Crawling Chaos Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 26 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Don't worry much about the Graphics card, as that doesn't help in rendering, and lockdown ATi is currently on the top of the graphics card hill, at least in terms of desktop cards the Radeon 9700 pro, and now the 9800 pro kick nvidia's ass. I would just upgrade the processor, 840 mhz is really slow Go for a P4 2 ghz or over, they aren't too expensive and at the moment perform slightly better than Athlon's Or if you have the cash, go for a dual CPU setup, I went for dual Athlon XP 2200 +'s, and my rendering has never been faster Not as fast as one of those renderboxes though

30-03-2003, 07:00 AM	#10
insect ... Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Kaunas, Lithuania Posts: 641 Thanks: 0 Thanked 7 Times in 7 Posts	840Mhz slow?.. Heck, I'm still at a 466Mhz Celeron. Anyways, good graphics cards just make your work more pleasant and smooth, it doesn't play any role when rendering. And the high-end cards are just "better/faster" cards, nothing magical about that. Though some high-end cards support dual monitor setups. That's as cool as i can get!

30-03-2003, 07:54 AM	#11
kuman Fishscale Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Venice Beach Posts: 831 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	well to be honest with you, a lot of the hi end cards won't give you that significant of a performance boost. at its core a quadro 4 is just about the same as a geforce 4. you might see some better drivers but i'd be surprised if you saw even a 10 percent performance boost in almost all of the operations you usually use. good luck with your system setup, but remember that its not about the program or the rig, but about how good the artist is and how hard he/she works to improve. of course good tools are important but i'm always inspired by things like rustboy where someone does really great work with minimal tools. -k

30-03-2003, 08:12 AM	#12
Schwinnz Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Quebec, Canada Posts: 81 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	What you actually need is a new cpu, motherboard and memory if you're not using DDR, and of course a new graphic card. I'd suggest a P4 2.4 and over, a motherboard with the e7205 chipset (it's a P4 workstation chipset), 512mb of ram (1024 if you can afford it) of DDR266 (a pair is what you need cuz' you'll have the advantage of dual channel ddr, and GeForce 4 Ti 4200 or 4600 even 4800 or even better a GeForce FX (makes a lot of noise, not acceptable) or even better a Quadro (750 to 980) XGL or even a QuadroFX 1000 or 2000... __________________ "All animals are equal. But some are more equal than others. " -George Orwell

30-03-2003, 03:08 PM	#13
lockdown2000 Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 213 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i know a new GC wouldnt give a boost, but I am just saying, that if your going to update, might as well, boost that as well. for gaming performance anyways, ATI is not going to be the top of the line as soon as GeForceFX comes out. and then they model he has is NOT the newest...so....i suggested the change...anyways, i heard somewhere that Nvidia might cancel or at least postpone the GeForceFX is this true!?? 840Mhz isnt slow...not fast either, its right in the middlish...I would not suggest any type of Pentium for the sake I dont like them, and AMD Thunderbirds and XP's are a helluva lot better. 1.4ghz athlon Xp = 1.6ghz Pentium 4 chip...so.... but i wouldnt go too high, as 2ghz etc are REALLY EXPENSIVE! question...for normal systems, used for games etc and the hobbiest for fun 3d render 512MB....i use 256DDRAM havent had much slow down, and my comp operates OK, i am just saying do you really need that much if your just doing this stuff for fun? I keep looking in the papers, and want to get another stick, but i dont really see the need for ME personally, wadda ya think, for just plain gaming, occasional 3d render, word processing, 256 enough? anyways...cheers....

30-03-2003, 03:20 PM	#14
RageCage Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	when it comes to your ram, if your using 3dmax, when you render, at the bottom of the info thing with all the settings on the render, it says how mucxh ram and how much virtual ram your using. if it is using virtual ram then getting more ram will help. but in my opinion the absolute best thing you can do to make things go faster is gett a better processor

30-03-2003, 03:23 PM	#15
RageCage Registered User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 90 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	oh and also, a graphics card is somthing that would be great is you have scenes in your viewport that have serious slowdown. a graphics card will make that stuff feel great. which in the end really would make things go faster right? also if you get a good gfx card you can get better textures in the view port if you need them.

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