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Old 21-08-2008, 04:31 PM   #1
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NEW Cinematic for World of Warcraft: Wrath of the Lich King!

For all you Warcrafters that have not yet seen it, here is the NEW Cinematic Trailer for Wrath of the Lich King....Blizzard sure nows how to knock-up a jaw dropping trailer.

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Old 21-08-2008, 04:40 PM   #2
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I don't see the point in this fancy cinematics when the graphics in the game itself are ****. Compare it to similar MMOs such as Lotro and it's looks terrible. Barely an improvement from the original Everquest 10 years ago.

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Old 21-08-2008, 04:55 PM   #3
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I don't see the point in this fancy cinematics when the graphics in the game itself are ****. Compare it to similar MMOs such as Lotro and it's looks terrible. Barely an improvement from the original Everquest 10 years ago.
I understand what you are saying, but you have to understand.

You have 10,000,000 subscribers. All that need to have a computer that can run it. Plus they have a certain art style they want to stay with.

Upgrade your requirements, and lets just say even 10,000 people don't have the ability to run the game anymore. $15 a month x 10,000 people = $150,000 per month.

Blizzard knows exactly what they are doing.
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Old 21-08-2008, 05:10 PM   #4
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$15 a month x 10,000 people = $150,000

You want to say : $15*10.000.000=$150.000.000 per month
and in Europe is not $15 but 15€
An don't forget the game itself.

For this new cinematic, it's absolutely a big Blizzard cinematic, it's really
impressive in art level.

I love Blizzard since Warcraft 1 !
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Old 21-08-2008, 05:13 PM   #5
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Well that was my point. They have 10 million subscribers. So improve the graphics and cut out 10,000 people who don't have the proper hardware to run the new graphics.

But yes... 10 mill x $15 a month.... it's some pocket change.
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Old 21-08-2008, 05:15 PM   #6
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very cool cinematic
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Old 21-08-2008, 06:10 PM   #7
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Thats freaking awesome....

But must agree with Oddity.. The cinematic trailers have always been cool of Blizzard.
In game screens looks not so good.. Thats why I don't buy there games anymore..

The last game I have played was Warcraft II...

Anyway the trailer looks amazing like always..

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Old 21-08-2008, 06:32 PM   #8
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I don't see the point in this fancy cinematics when the graphics in the game itself are ****. Compare it to similar MMOs such as Lotro and it's looks terrible. Barely an improvement from the original Everquest 10 years ago.
It doesn't have a connection to the in game graphics. It is a marketing tool and similar to a book cover.
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Old 21-08-2008, 07:14 PM   #9
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Yes, a con trick. All marketing is.
It's similar to buying an art book you thought was full of beautiful paintings because they put a fantastic painting on the front cover, but all the ones inside were rubbish.
Graphics have reached a stage now where developers should only be allowed to make cinematics that use the in-game real time engine. Anything else is false advertising.
It's no different from showing trailers suggesting gameplay that that isn't actually in the real game, or a movie trailer showing big name stars when they aren't in the actual movie.




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I understand what you are saying, but you have to understand.

You have 10,000,000 subscribers. All that need to have a computer that can run it. Plus they have a certain art style they want to stay with.

Upgrade your requirements, and lets just say even 10,000 people don't have the ability to run the game anymore. $15 a month x 10,000 people = $150,000 per month.


There's such a thing as scaled engines you know, where people with good hardware can turn fancy settings on and people with bad hardware can still run it. Lotro has a plethora of settings you can scale up or down, and it looks great at full.
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Old 21-08-2008, 07:40 PM   #10
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work time?

Again they have proven to be one of the best. Absolutely stunning!
Does anyone know how long Blizzard works on their trailers and how many people work on it?
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Old 21-08-2008, 07:41 PM   #11
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Well,everyone knows who Blizzard is and that their games never had the best graphics.But guess what,there are trials for their games,you can see screenshots on the internet before buying their games,you'd have to be really fool to buy the game and expect the same graphics as in the trailers.It's not the same as having an impressive painting on the front cover of a magasine and only mediocre works inside it,which you see only after you've spent the money on it since they DO release actual in-game screens and gameplay videos.It's like you WERE allowed to take a quick look at the inside of the magasine,in our example.I see the points you guys have and i thought this to myself,but it's not so bad either.These trailers are epic only so their games get even more attention from all over the internet and they do draw interest indeed to the point where some people buy the game only because of that,but i bet nobody expects the game to be anything like the trailer.And anyone who does is a fool.In the end,i've gotta say Blizzard's games are popular and acclaimed because of their great gameplay,not fancy graphics and that's how it should be with all games.Besides,if it's not broken why fix it?They've had lots of succesfull games this way.
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Old 21-08-2008, 08:24 PM   #12
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That's not true any more, realtime graphics have reached a stage where it is actually possible to make great looking cinematics where it actually looks the same or close to it in the real game.
My point is that there is such a ridiculous difference between this trailer and the actual in-game graphics, I don't know how they get away with it.
As for the trailer itself, it's nothing but a typical dose of clichéd rpg nonsense.
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Old 21-08-2008, 10:22 PM   #13
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Whats wrong with you guys? Yes, there are marketing tricks. But where is your gamers soul? I remember playing all those ****y graphic games back in the 90's just for the love of story and for the eye candy of cinematics. I'm not a WoW player. But I played Warcraft 3 and although I hate the game itself, I loved the story and I still love the cinematics. And maybe for you this its all money and marketing but for me its nostalgy and the last remenants of an age when the story behind the game was more important than the graphics involved.
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Well, before i started playing WoW myself i used to joke about the graphics all the time. But boy was i wrong , even with all the low poly stuff , and the low graphics that oddity talks of. Blizzard can still create environments that look magical,epic and imerse you in a way that games with top graphic engines cant even dream of. search for Zangarmarsh for exemple .

Another thing i ear alot is that the models are too cartoony , i only say play Warcraft.

"As for the trailer itself, it's nothing but a typical dose of clichéd rpg nonsense."
In my oppinion its technically perfect , no one in the gaming industry can match such a perfect composition .
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