U need good 2D Skills to have good 3D Skill?

Maarten · 02-05-2003, 11:51 AM

Hi there,

Am i right that u have to improve ur 2d skills before u improve ur 3d skills? becouse I suck at 2D! it always comes out as a flat stupid darl!

some comments about this?

Greetz,
Maarten

JAYCE · 02-05-2003, 05:11 PM

To be honest i know plenty of good modellers that cant draw at all - but i think to be a great modeller it takes planning, and to plan effectivly you need to be able to get your ideas and designs down on paper so YOU can understand them.

Having said that i work in the games industry and have been the victim of passing on a 2d concept then the model looks the same, but just doesnt feel quite right somehow. I prefer that if i design something i model it, that way i can still design it whilst building it. Sometimes you have to change a design on the fly cos it doesnt quite work.

I gues what im getting at is that is helps (ALOT) if you can draw (very important for anatomy)

When i do a mini project for myself I alternate, a 3d project then a 2d project or combine the both so i get a balance in my edvelopment.

Everyone is different- maybe doing 3d will improve your 2d!

Good luck

Maarten · 02-05-2003, 05:25 PM

hmm well if u are a good drawer with great imaginations I think 3d will become much easyer.....u have some tips to learn 2d?

ronrn · 03-05-2003, 03:00 AM

I am sure 2d skills are a plus. For me though I rarely use them(not that I have a lot). When I get an idea/picture in my mind it is usually very clear, right down to the last detail. And in my mind I can also see the different alternatives without having to change sketches or drawings.

Please don't get me wrong. I too, wish I had better 2d skills. I just think it is different for each individual.

Torlok2002 · 03-05-2003, 10:24 AM

i also noticed that someone who doesnt do 3d makes drawings that are just about impossible to create as a 3d model. Yeah it is physically correct, but the look is not the same. Especially with the more stylised drawings. Ive tried to model soem simple characters that my brother has drawn, they looked like crap!

Incitatus · 03-05-2003, 01:59 PM

If you use the search option you'll find some pretty long threads on this, as far as I remember.

My view: It helps A LOT, saves hours and hours of frustration.

Jenn · 03-05-2003, 02:43 PM

Incitatus is right this topic comes up fairly often however this subject is always worth some consideration.

Yes, some people manage to get by in this industry without developing their 2d skills. Should you ignore the 2d side if your skills are stronger in 3d? I believe that by doing this you are limiting yourself and in effect hamstringing your total potential but more on that later.

You may believe that people who can draw or even paint were born with this special talent. That idea is not completely true. These people have a unique way of seeing and interpreting the world they live in. These people don't start drawing perfect pictures immediately. Come on when is the last time you saw a 3 year old mimic davinci? With time and practice they develop the skills to accurately convey the information from their heads to their hands.

All of this is my fancy way of saying that anyone can learn to draw. But it is like many things in life, you have to practice to become any good at it.

Now, back to my limiting your potential statement, everyone has strengths and weaknesses. Obviously, one is going to lean toward's his or her strengths. However, if you take the time to develop one of your weaker skills. If only by a little bit, you will be a stronger and more confident artist for it.

Above all, why in the world would you limit yourself to one single artistic medium? You don't limit yourself to one type of food or a single genre of music or film do you? How incredibly boring life would be if that were true.

I know, blah blah blah blah blah. I highly recommend that you pick up a copy of Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846 It is the single most helpful learn to draw book that was ever printed. If you can't buy it then your local library will have a copy.

I also suggest that you try a little sculpture. You can pick up a lb of super sculpey for $7 and a roll of foil for under $1.

02-05-2003, 11:51 AM	#1
Maarten Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 196 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	U need good 2D Skills to have good 3D Skill? Hi there, Am i right that u have to improve ur 2d skills before u improve ur 3d skills? becouse I suck at 2D! it always comes out as a flat stupid darl! some comments about this? Greetz, Maarten

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Torlok2002 Insanity at its best. Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Indiana, USA Posts: 530 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	i also noticed that someone who doesnt do 3d makes drawings that are just about impossible to create as a 3d model. Yeah it is physically correct, but the look is not the same. Especially with the more stylised drawings. Ive tried to model soem simple characters that my brother has drawn, they looked like crap! __________________ www.perfected-insanity.blogspot.com ------------------------------------------- There are 10 types of people in this world. Those who can read binary and those who cannot. ------------------------------------------- Windows has detected that your mouse has been moved. Please reboot for changes to take effect.

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Incitatus Murdoch? That crazy fool! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Bergen, Norway Posts: 374 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	If you use the search option you'll find some pretty long threads on this, as far as I remember. My view: It helps A LOT, saves hours and hours of frustration. __________________ Panic, it crept up my spine like first rising vibes of an acid frenzy. All these horrible realities began to dawn on me. Here I was, alone in Las Vegas, completely twisted on drugs.. Liv www.lastgreatwar.net

03-05-2003, 02:43 PM	#7
Jenn Registered User Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 475 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Incitatus is right this topic comes up fairly often however this subject is always worth some consideration. Yes, some people manage to get by in this industry without developing their 2d skills. Should you ignore the 2d side if your skills are stronger in 3d? I believe that by doing this you are limiting yourself and in effect hamstringing your total potential but more on that later. You may believe that people who can draw or even paint were born with this special talent. That idea is not completely true. These people have a unique way of seeing and interpreting the world they live in. These people don't start drawing perfect pictures immediately. Come on when is the last time you saw a 3 year old mimic davinci? With time and practice they develop the skills to accurately convey the information from their heads to their hands. All of this is my fancy way of saying that anyone can learn to draw. But it is like many things in life, you have to practice to become any good at it. Now, back to my limiting your potential statement, everyone has strengths and weaknesses. Obviously, one is going to lean toward's his or her strengths. However, if you take the time to develop one of your weaker skills. If only by a little bit, you will be a stronger and more confident artist for it. Above all, why in the world would you limit yourself to one single artistic medium? You don't limit yourself to one type of food or a single genre of music or film do you? How incredibly boring life would be if that were true. I know, blah blah blah blah blah. I highly recommend that you pick up a copy of Drawing on the Right Side of the Brain by Betty Edwards. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...books&n=507846 It is the single most helpful learn to draw book that was ever printed. If you can't buy it then your local library will have a copy. I also suggest that you try a little sculpture. You can pick up a lb of super sculpey for $7 and a roll of foil for under $1. __________________ Jenn http://www.jenndowns.com

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02-05-2003, 05:11 PM	#2
JAYCE Tortured Soul Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Queensland Australia Posts: 12 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	To be honest i know plenty of good modellers that cant draw at all - but i think to be a great modeller it takes planning, and to plan effectivly you need to be able to get your ideas and designs down on paper so YOU can understand them. Having said that i work in the games industry and have been the victim of passing on a 2d concept then the model looks the same, but just doesnt feel quite right somehow. I prefer that if i design something i model it, that way i can still design it whilst building it. Sometimes you have to change a design on the fly cos it doesnt quite work. I gues what im getting at is that is helps (ALOT) if you can draw (very important for anatomy) When i do a mini project for myself I alternate, a 3d project then a 2d project or combine the both so i get a balance in my edvelopment. Everyone is different- maybe doing 3d will improve your 2d! Good luck

02-05-2003, 05:25 PM	#3
Maarten Registered User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 196 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	hmm well if u are a good drawer with great imaginations I think 3d will become much easyer.....u have some tips to learn 2d?

03-05-2003, 03:00 AM	#4
ronrn zzzzzzz..... Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: southeastern US Posts: 414 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I am sure 2d skills are a plus. For me though I rarely use them(not that I have a lot). When I get an idea/picture in my mind it is usually very clear, right down to the last detail. And in my mind I can also see the different alternatives without having to change sketches or drawings. Please don't get me wrong. I too, wish I had better 2d skills. I just think it is different for each individual.

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