THE Sculpting Challenge 016: Creatures of Legend - Dragons - Page 5

Freespace-3DT · 13-05-2009, 12:46 PM

CHAO5: Well done, keep it up!

Scottleroc: That looks very good! The pose is brilliant as well.

KREFT: Great muscle definition. The eyes seem a bit too flat to me, though.

mrpeculiar: No toes = part of the challenge. You did a great job dealing with it, though.

I extend a huge welcome to newcomers to the challenge and to Threedy!

lo2op: Welcome! That's an interesting pose, are you going to make him fly?

Maverick84: You don't need to register officialy for the contest. Just read all the rules, and keep posting your work in progress here. There will soon be a Final Submissions thread for this challenge, where you will submit your final work to be voted by the community.

califfguzman: Looking forward to your entry.

gumby666 · 13-05-2009, 01:24 PM

Here's about 1 and a half hours progress.
I've opted to try and make an eastern style legless dragon.
Thanks to mrperculiar on the hints on getting rid of the legs.
I still have some work on the remaining legs mesh to hide it totally.
Spent a great deal of my time so far just amputating them damn legs & wings!!

Not sure if I'll keep going with this guy as I've subdivided him so much my computer's about to have a hemorrhage.

Great posts so far!!!

CHAO5 · 13-05-2009, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Freespace-3DT

CHAO5: Well done, keep it up!

thx... i hope i find some time today for more details.

mrpeculiar · 13-05-2009, 01:50 PM

Ok .....little over 7 hours and im calling this one done....
Not the final pose and i also noticed after posing this some areas deformed a bit ....but those i will fix in the final.
Ill see how i go with the remaining hour for the base .........

Gumby .......i do see the little areas were your feet/wings were ......what i had to do was ....raise the sub D ....flatten /smooth .....then lower the sub D .....flatten/ smooth and repeat that process about 10 or more times to get it looking smooth at the high sub D level ....
My mesh sits at 5.488 million polys now .......

Ok .......to some pics

CHAO5 · 13-05-2009, 01:55 PM

mrpeculiar wow real nice update

Dunric · 13-05-2009, 02:34 PM

Hey guys ! I think I'm in this one . But tell me please , can we sculpt additional box into whatever we want , or is it just for podium ?

califfguzman · 13-05-2009, 02:34 PM

1hr45mins so far
Dragon + Pedestal

mrpeculiar: Sick 2nd Dragon!

gumby666 · 13-05-2009, 02:37 PM

cheers mrperculiar I've decided to can my work in progress and start fresh.

Wasn't really what I was aiming for and I'm gunna make one with legs as I found a reference pic of the dragon I was thinking of and it has legs. As attached below.

I also second CHAO5's WOW!
Awesome sculpt!!

Teyon · 13-05-2009, 02:58 PM

I may have some time this weekend to do an entry. Curious if the no-altering mesh thing applies to setting up groups? It makes for an easier sculpting experience but doesn't require actually changing any geometry. Is that allowed this go around?

Freespace-3DT · 13-05-2009, 03:19 PM

Gumby: I'm glad you found that reference for the asian dragon, it's going to be much easier on you.

mrpeculiar: Congrats on a job well done! That's definetely the Horntail we were hoping for.

Dunric: The box is for a podium/pedestal/terrain/object for the dragon to interact with. But what were you thinking of doing with it?

califfguzman: That's looking sweet so far! I love how the tail goes around the rock and the dragon looks like it's protecting its territorry from tresspassers.

Teyon: Great to see you around the Sculpting Challenge! Please tell me more about setting up groups.

Teyon · 13-05-2009, 03:33 PM

Nice to be back in here again! It's been awhile.

Well, for the group setup, you'd just select faces and assign them to a group name. Then, in ZBrush, since the object has been grouped, you can hide areas you're not working on by holding down the CTRL and SHIFT keys and then clicking on the object in the area you want to work on. Basically, it's just an easier way of hiding parts of the mesh. Most modeling apps have a way of doing this - ZBrush included (that's what polygroups are for in ZBrush).

So, the actual geometry doesn't change at all, poly counts and vertex order are the same, they just have been assigned to a particular group name the same way you'd assign them to a material.

TomorowsMemory · 13-05-2009, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrpeculiar

Ok .....little over 7 hours and im calling this one done....
Not the final pose and i also noticed after posing this some areas deformed a bit ....but those i will fix in the final.
Ill see how i go with the remaining hour for the base .........

Gumby .......i do see the little areas were your feet/wings were ......what i had to do was ....raise the sub D ....flatten /smooth .....then lower the sub D .....flatten/ smooth and repeat that process about 10 or more times to get it looking smooth at the high sub D level ....
My mesh sits at 5.488 million polys now .......

Ok .......to some pics

Why do you choose to go to the highest subD and work down with the flatten brush? I am wondering why you didn't go from low to high rez? It seems faster to work with the masses down to the fine details. Is there a particular reason you work from hi-rez to low-rez? Thanks and amazing work!

Teyon · 13-05-2009, 03:48 PM

Oh hey! Added benefit that I didn't know about until just now - local subdivision inside ZBrush. So if you create polygroups in ZBrush (or group the object and bring it into ZBrush) you can hide the body parts based on what you want to work with, right? Well, you can also do local subdivision on the visible parts, allowing for increased detail only in parts that need it. I'd never used them that way before, I've only ever used them as a means to hide stuff. It's pretty cool and very handy in situations like this. Something to consider. I don't know how Mudbox handles groups or if it even recognizes groups but I thought I'd put it out there as a request...

Dunric · 13-05-2009, 03:56 PM

Freespace-3DT
I actually thought about second head

.

mrpeculiar · 13-05-2009, 03:58 PM

Sorry about that .......my description was a bit wrong ......i do start at the lowest sub D ....then go higher ......then go lower again ....and so on

Sorry for the confusion ......and thanks everyone for the wonderfull comments ......i had a ball sculpting that thing.

Im now

trying to retopo it for personal use ...........i really hate retopo ........especialy with big horns and such .....

Anyone feel like retoping this guy for me

13-05-2009, 12:46 PM	#61
Freespace-3DT Commando Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Romania, Cluj Posts: 7,988 Thanks: 39 Thanked 185 Times in 158 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 10	CHAO5: Well done, keep it up! Scottleroc: That looks very good! The pose is brilliant as well. KREFT: Great muscle definition. The eyes seem a bit too flat to me, though. mrpeculiar: No toes = part of the challenge. You did a great job dealing with it, though. I extend a huge welcome to newcomers to the challenge and to Threedy! lo2op: Welcome! That's an interesting pose, are you going to make him fly? Maverick84: You don't need to register officialy for the contest. Just read all the rules, and keep posting your work in progress here. There will soon be a Final Submissions thread for this challenge, where you will submit your final work to be voted by the community. califfguzman: Looking forward to your entry. __________________ Cinematics: StarCraft: Final Metamorphosis (Final 7.5 Minute CG Animation) Speed Factor 2 (23-NOV-2010) Demo Reel 2010 (1-OCT-2010) StarCraft: First Contact (08-JUL-2009) MY CG&VFX WEBSITE

13-05-2009, 01:24 PM	#62
gumby666 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Here's about 1 and a half hours progress. I've opted to try and make an eastern style legless dragon. Thanks to mrperculiar on the hints on getting rid of the legs. I still have some work on the remaining legs mesh to hide it totally. Spent a great deal of my time so far just amputating them damn legs & wings!! Not sure if I'll keep going with this guy as I've subdivided him so much my computer's about to have a hemorrhage. Great posts so far!!! Attached Images

13-05-2009, 01:50 PM	#64
mrpeculiar Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 161 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 7	Ok .....little over 7 hours and im calling this one done.... Not the final pose and i also noticed after posing this some areas deformed a bit ....but those i will fix in the final. Ill see how i go with the remaining hour for the base ......... Gumby .......i do see the little areas were your feet/wings were ......what i had to do was ....raise the sub D ....flatten /smooth .....then lower the sub D .....flatten/ smooth and repeat that process about 10 or more times to get it looking smooth at the high sub D level .... My mesh sits at 5.488 million polys now ....... Ok .......to some pics Attached Images

13-05-2009, 01:55 PM	#65
CHAO5 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Dortmund, Germany Posts: 330 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 5	mrpeculiar wow real nice update __________________ !!! http://www.youtube.com/user/chaossculpting !!!

13-05-2009, 02:34 PM	#66
Dunric Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Holy Land Posts: 69 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hey guys ! I think I'm in this one . But tell me please , can we sculpt additional box into whatever we want , or is it just for podium ? __________________ אין לנו על מי ליסמוך רק על אבינו שבשמיים Всех с праздником победы !!! Last edited by Dunric; 13-05-2009 at 02:38 PM..

13-05-2009, 02:34 PM	#67
califfguzman Illustrator/Motion Artist Join Date: May 2009 Location: New Haven, CT Posts: 8 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Grrrr 1hr45mins so far Dragon + Pedestal mrpeculiar: Sick 2nd Dragon! Attached Images

13-05-2009, 02:37 PM	#68
gumby666 Registered User Join Date: May 2008 Location: Australia Posts: 132 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 1 Post Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	cheers mrperculiar I've decided to can my work in progress and start fresh. Wasn't really what I was aiming for and I'm gunna make one with legs as I found a reference pic of the dragon I was thinking of and it has legs. As attached below. I also second CHAO5's WOW! Awesome sculpt!! Attached Images

13-05-2009, 02:58 PM	#69
Teyon Incredi-Boy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York, New York Posts: 400 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	I may have some time this weekend to do an entry. Curious if the no-altering mesh thing applies to setting up groups? It makes for an easier sculpting experience but doesn't require actually changing any geometry. Is that allowed this go around?

13-05-2009, 03:19 PM	#70
Freespace-3DT Commando Moderator Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Romania, Cluj Posts: 7,988 Thanks: 39 Thanked 185 Times in 158 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 10	Gumby: I'm glad you found that reference for the asian dragon, it's going to be much easier on you. mrpeculiar: Congrats on a job well done! That's definetely the Horntail we were hoping for. Dunric: The box is for a podium/pedestal/terrain/object for the dragon to interact with. But what were you thinking of doing with it? califfguzman: That's looking sweet so far! I love how the tail goes around the rock and the dragon looks like it's protecting its territorry from tresspassers. Teyon: Great to see you around the Sculpting Challenge! Please tell me more about setting up groups. __________________ Cinematics: StarCraft: Final Metamorphosis (Final 7.5 Minute CG Animation) Speed Factor 2 (23-NOV-2010) Demo Reel 2010 (1-OCT-2010) StarCraft: First Contact (08-JUL-2009) MY CG&VFX WEBSITE

13-05-2009, 03:33 PM	#71
Teyon Incredi-Boy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York, New York Posts: 400 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Nice to be back in here again! It's been awhile. Well, for the group setup, you'd just select faces and assign them to a group name. Then, in ZBrush, since the object has been grouped, you can hide areas you're not working on by holding down the CTRL and SHIFT keys and then clicking on the object in the area you want to work on. Basically, it's just an easier way of hiding parts of the mesh. Most modeling apps have a way of doing this - ZBrush included (that's what polygroups are for in ZBrush). So, the actual geometry doesn't change at all, poly counts and vertex order are the same, they just have been assigned to a particular group name the same way you'd assign them to a material.

13-05-2009, 03:48 PM	#73
Teyon Incredi-Boy Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: New York, New York Posts: 400 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 1	Oh hey! Added benefit that I didn't know about until just now - local subdivision inside ZBrush. So if you create polygroups in ZBrush (or group the object and bring it into ZBrush) you can hide the body parts based on what you want to work with, right? Well, you can also do local subdivision on the visible parts, allowing for increased detail only in parts that need it. I'd never used them that way before, I've only ever used them as a means to hide stuff. It's pretty cool and very handy in situations like this. Something to consider. I don't know how Mudbox handles groups or if it even recognizes groups but I thought I'd put it out there as a request...

13-05-2009, 03:56 PM	#74
Dunric Registered User Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Holy Land Posts: 69 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Freespace-3DT I actually thought about second head . __________________ אין לנו על מי ליסמוך רק על אבינו שבשמיים Всех с праздником победы !!!

13-05-2009, 03:58 PM	#75
mrpeculiar Registered User Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 161 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts Awards Showcase Total Awards: 7	Sorry about that .......my description was a bit wrong ......i do start at the lowest sub D ....then go higher ......then go lower again ....and so on Sorry for the confusion ......and thanks everyone for the wonderfull comments ......i had a ball sculpting that thing. Im now trying to retopo it for personal use ...........i really hate retopo ........especialy with big horns and such ..... Anyone feel like retoping this guy for me

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