SUBDIVISION DISCUSSION

[Kit]

Hum? I shift+drag all the time in "editable poly"....
look, (I started from a box):

[rage]

that issue has been corrected in max 5 guys....i knnow, in max 4 u cant do that....hehe...but the new poly object in max 5 rulez!! you will never again use edit mesh....

[CountZero]

ok, i have a similar question even though it's a bit off-topic, what's the difference between using normal editable mesh compared to using the modifier "edit mesh" ? (or editable poly / edit poly-modifier)

also, i've noticed that if you change from editable mesh to editable poly as you work, the old polygons will be smoothed out like meshsmooth, but the new polygons made in polygon mode will have sharper edges...
is there a way to get all the polygons to act the same?

[CountZero]

question number two:
will the highlighted polygons cause problems when skinning, animating etc. ? maybe not the best example pic, but if some polys are streched out (even if it's more than shown here), does it matter?

[rage]

1) its always better to work on an editable poly than a mesh with the edit poly modifier on it, u can do the same and i saves memoy by not having multiple modifiers in the stack. They mantained the edit mesh modifier only for compatibility purposes (if u load a 3ds max 2.0 scene for instance...)

2) yes, they will, u have destryed the flow of some edgeloops there...it would help if u post a unsmoothed screengrab so i can see the low poly cage.

hope i helped, cheers!

PS: post the unsmoothed version dude!

[CountZero]

thanks for the help! here is the low poly version:

[rage]

try this...u may add some edgeloops on the shoulder, but maybe u can use the to further detail the shoulder muscles...dunno

hope it helps:

[CountZero]

ok, some more on the same topic, i havn't figured yet how much the polygons have to be stretched to make a real problem of it... on this pic some areas are stretched, but compared to the last pic i posted it's not as much as it doesn't destroy nearby polygons. but is it still a problem (the pink fields)?

[Holo]

As you may or may not know, I use Lightwave.
I used to use max back in the day, before Meshsmothing had been refined to this point, and i must say that im impressed with how well it works in max. Lightwaves Subdivision engine or "Subpatch" works a little differently, to be truthful, i think Max's works a lot better...in that it actually smooths the edges alot better than Subpatching does, I will look into this abit, I hope I dont have to go back to max now that im finally Comfortable with LW..

[rage]

i think that u wont have problems in a case like that CountZero, hope that what i posted before has helped u....

cheers!

ps: thanks Holo my man!!

[Incitatus]

Originally posted by rage
try this...u may add some edgeloops on the shoulder, but maybe u can use the to further detail the shoulder muscles...dunno

hope it helps:

Nice one rage! the paintover I mean.

[rage]

thanks dude!

[Shadow]

Hiho,

I have question to the first posting in this thread. There the last picture shows a technique "how to prepare a sub-d cage....".
Now my question: how can I do it? Easy cut a new edge in there or are there any other methods which are more precisely?


thank you

[rage]

of course there is! select a ring of edges and hit connect, then select the edgeloop u just did with that and tweak it to your needs...woila!

cheers!

[Zytrex]

Hey Rage, I was going through your original post and couldn't figure out how you set up those edges to smooth and bevel like that. First, I wasn't even sure what part I was looking at, but I finally figured it was the corner of a box. Is that correct? If not, then I'm really lost. If that is what I'm looking at, then how did you get it like that? I mean, except for going in and manually cutting and moving edges and vertices all over the place until they're where you want them, I couldn't figure it out. I tried using many different combinations of tools, in both edit mesh and edit poly, and I couldn't figure it out. What editing mode are you using anyway? Do you think that, instead of just the before and after pic, you could show four or five pics along with what you actually did in each step?

Thanks! ..... Oh, and that reminds me: Update da BALROG!